Topaz Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 First of all, we all know the Tory party is not made up with stupid people, they know how to slip things in and through. Now, I've been on many other political forums and I saw many people kept making remarks against the Tories and the longer they were in power the more I read them online. I heard people saying they were going to vote the ???? out and when the last election came and most the of the liberal critics were voted out, I started to wonder how that could happen? Then, a person who was a guest at a Tory meeting, told me what one had said and now I wouldn't put it past them to be the ones behind voter fraud. I think only a few top Tories know the truth. I can't see if being the Liberals because they lost big time and the NDP got the votes in Quebec and the Tories really needed the majority to carry out what they are doing now. If a PM can be charged with contempt of Parliament, is there anything he wouldn't do for the oil and gas and Alberta? Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 First of all, we all know the Tory party is not made up with stupid people, they know how to slip things in and through. Now, I've been on many other political forums and I saw many people kept making remarks against the Tories and the longer they were in power the more I read them online. I heard people saying they were going to vote the ???? out and when the last election came and most the of the liberal critics were voted out, I started to wonder how that could happen? Then, a person who was a guest at a Tory meeting, told me what one had said and now I wouldn't put it past them to be the ones behind voter fraud. I think only a few top Tories know the truth. I can't see if being the Liberals because they lost big time and the NDP got the votes in Quebec and the Tories really needed the majority to carry out what they are doing now. If a PM can be charged with contempt of Parliament, is there anything he wouldn't do for the oil and gas and Alberta? The liberals knew they were loosing badly, so this might have been a strategy to paint the government as illegitimate and in a way force an election through public outrage during a more favourable time for them. Or it could have been the NDP for pretty much the same reason, they knew they would not get to form the government even a minority one and thus they decided to cast doubt about the governments legitimacy for use at a future date more favourable to the NDP. Or it could have been a business group that deemed the Conservative policies more favourable... Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
capricorn Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Are you accusing Elections Canada of biased investigation? Don't think that Elections Canada always comes out smelling like a rose. To date, the Etobicoke case has revealed a tangled tale of sloppy paperwork, some of which is ascribed to a natural instinct on the part of Elections Canada officials to facilitate voting, rather than to obstruct it with red tape.--- To date, nobody's proved — or even alleged — anything but innocent mistakes. But, at some point, Wrzesnewskyj believes, mistakes may be too numerous for the election to be credible. And Part 20 of the Canada Elections Act allows challenges in cases of "irregularities, fraud, corrupt or illegal practices that affected the results." "This isn't a Liberal or a Conservative issue. This is an issue that touches everyone," argued Wrzesnewskyj's lawyer, Gavin Tighe. "If people have no confidence in the process, it's pretty doubtful they’re going to participate." David Di Paolo, a lawyer for the chief electoral officer, Marc Mayrand, responded that "administrative and clerical errors in elections will be common and, indeed, inevitable and it is essential that only those consequential to the result be used to overturn an election." http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/08/pol-milewski-elections-canada-polling-errors.html To tell you the truth, with stuff like that happening, I'm not surprised that after one year of investigating robocalls, EC and its team are not making any headway. For example, I question why it took so long for investigators to approach Shoppers Drug Mart in Guelph to obtain video footage of the suspect purchasing prepaid credit cards. And one has to wonder why there are so many leaks to the media but EC continues to refuse to give Parliament and Canadians updates on where the investigation stands. How does this state of affairs inspire confidence in the electoral system? Something is not right with this picture and Elections Canada is right in the middle of it. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
madmax Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 More doubt as to guilty party. Pierre Poutine’ mystery deepens as billing records cast doubt on robocall culprits So there ya go, it was ___________ ________________- and ________ http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/11/pierre-poutine-mystery-deepens-as-billing-records-cast-doubt-on-robocall-culprits/ Billing records don't cast doubt...the actually show the account holder, which is not released to the public in the court order. The headlines cast doubt.... http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2012/05/11/roboconfusion/ Quote
Jack Weber Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 The same EC that when it raided the con HQ's over the in and out BS, that somehow the CBC reporters and camera men were there before the police arrived, yes they are biased. I think most people can figure that one out. Apparently something you can't figure out is that the Conservatives plead guilty to the charge... Erm...Pleading "Guilty" is an admission of guilt... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 You're the one who insists that any speculaiton about possible Conservative wrongdoing is...well, wrong. But speculation about those EC fatcats....that's reasonable. Booster Club mentality... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
capricorn Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 You're the one who insists that any speculaiton about possible Conservative wrongdoing is...well, wrong. Just as the theory of one single operative is merely that. Everything at this point is speculation. But speculation about those EC fatcats....that's reasonable. EC fatcats is your terminology, not mine. I called them extra bodies hired by EC. BTW, I don't consider staff contracted by EC to conduct a specific investigation to be EC employees in the true sense of the word. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Topaz Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 I still like to know from the Tory supporters on here, what will they do in the next election if its proven the Tories are guilty of fraud?? Will you come to the same conclusion as Liberals did and boot them out? Quote
Rick Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 The liberals knew they were loosing badly, so this might have been a strategy to paint the government as illegitimate and in a way force an election through public outrage during a more favourable time for them. Or it could have been the NDP for pretty much the same reason, they knew they would not get to form the government even a minority one and thus they decided to cast doubt about the governments legitimacy for use at a future date more favourable to the NDP. Or it could have been a business group that deemed the Conservative policies more favourable... Alcan thanks you for your continued support and purchases...You make the birthers and 911'rs look sane by comparison Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
jacee Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Everything at this point is speculation. Except the facts: Fraudulent calls were made, misdirecting non-Conservative voters. The lists of non-Conservative voters were downloaded from the Conservative database at Conservative headquarters. The login session info for those downloads, that would have identified the user(s) was deleted at Conservative party headquarters. The purpose of one phone call to RackNine from Conservative headquarters has not been accounted for. RackNine knows the name of the Conservative party operative who referred 'Pierre' to set up the account for the fraudulent calls. I'm speculating that somebody at Conservative party headquarters ran the election fraud. I'm speculating that Harper is a well known control freak and no one would do such a thing without his approval. Quote
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Just as the theory of one single operative is merely that. Everything at this point is speculation. No...your point is that any remarks about possible Conservative wrongdoing is useless. But to point at possible EC wrongdoing (sweetly taking the focus off the party of which you are unaccountably defensive)...that's simply reasonable. To call your view here "partisanship" is too generous. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Except the facts: Fraudulent calls were made, misdirecting non-Conservative voters. The lists of non-Conservative voters were downloaded from the Conservative database at Conservative headquarters. The login session info for those downloads, that would have identified the user(s) was deleted at Conservative party headquarters. The purpose of one phone call to RackNine from Conservative headquarters has not been accounted for. RackNine knows the name of the Conservative party operative who referred 'Pierre' to set up the account for the fraudulent calls. I'm speculating that somebody at Conservative party headquarters ran the election fraud. I'm speculating that Harper is a well known control freak and no one would do such a thing without his approval. A good clarification, jacee. Harper's personal responsibility is speculation, and could well be non-existant. Conservative wrongdoing? Please. That's well beyond the point of speculation, unless (as some people have actually posited, wavy stink lines of desperation wafting over all of us) some crafty Liberals or Evil NDPers have produced the greatest magic trick of the contemporary era. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Signals.Cpl Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Alcan thanks you for your continued support and purchases... You make the birthers and 911'rs look sane by comparison I am presenting plausible alternatives. Accusing the Conservatives of a crime and then moulding the "evidence" to support your view point. There are plenty of examples in western society when police/investigators pick a "guilty" party and then pick and choose evidence to support their case while discarding evidence that disproves them. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 A good clarification, jacee. Harper's personal responsibility is speculation, and could well be non-existant. Conservative wrongdoing? Please. That's well beyond the point of speculation, unless (as some people have actually posited, wavy stink lines of desperation wafting over all of us) some crafty Liberals or Evil NDPers have produced the greatest magic trick of the contemporary era. If it is beyond speculation why is there an investigation? Why not just publish the damning evidence and be done with it. You are biased just as much as I am except you don't want to admit that you hate the conservatives not because they did anything wrong but because they are conservatives. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 You are biased just as much as I am except you don't want to admit that you hate the conservatives not because they did anything wrong but because they are conservatives. I don't hate anybody. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
capricorn Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 I'm speculating that somebody at Conservative party headquarters ran the election fraud. I'm speculating that Harper is a well known control freak and no one would do such a thing without his approval. With all the "facts" you present as the basis for these speculation(s), please explain why the authorities have not placed the Conservative Party under investigation. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
PIK Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 I wonder if mulcair knew what his people were up to. Jack will be spinning in his grave ,when the truths does come out. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Signals.Cpl Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 I don't hate anybody. Thats funny. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) Thats funny. I have no idea why you should reject a fact that is so benign and harmless. Edited May 12, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Signals.Cpl Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 I have no idea why you should reject a fact that is so benign and harmless. Because your actions do not support that statement. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Because your actions do not support that statement. It's just the way it is. That you don't like it is strange to me, but I imagine we'll both get by just fine. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
jacee Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) With all the "facts" you present as the basis for these speculation(s), please explain why the authorities have not placed the Conservative Party under investigation. They have investigated at national party headquarters, and may still be doing so for all you or I know. That is where the most damning evidence was found. Edited May 12, 2012 by jacee Quote
capricorn Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 They have investigated at national party headquarters, and may still be doing so for all you or I know. It stands to reason that EC investigators would examine party records held in various locations and on different systems. It doesn't mean the party is under investigation and nowhere is it reported that such is the case. Rogers and Racknine have been issued court orders to produce information. That doesn't translate into Rogers or Racknine being under investigation. That is where the most damning evidence was found. Oh, they have the evidence. Then why is the investigation ongoing? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jacee Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 It stands to reason that EC investigators would examine party records held in various locations and on different systems. It doesn't mean the party is under investigation and nowhere is it reported that such is the case. Rogers and Racknine have been issued court orders to produce information. That doesn't translate into Rogers or Racknine being under investigation. Oh, they have the evidence. Then why is the investigation ongoing? What is your speculation about the deleted tracking records at Conservative HQ that would have identified the user(s) downloading the lists of non-Conservative voters that were used in the fraudulent election calls? Quote
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