.

[capricorn]

It's Pierre Poutine and he lives on Seperatist Street in Joliet,Quebec!!

Hurry up and arrest this guy!!!

At the pace Elections Canada conducts investigations, Monsieur Poutine has enough time to morph into the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

[punked]

Not at this point, no.

But Smallc all of those are facts that are reported in the Media. Maybe that off the books was legitimate work but it did happen that much is known. Take off the blinders, I am not going as far to claim we should throw out the election results just yet however these are facts:

Guelph had contact with Racknine

Racknine is the Robocaller who did the voter suppression calls

Guelph NEVER reported using Racknine even thought they made contact with them several times

Guelph claims it was legitimate work that was done for them but it was left off the books for some reason

All of those are facts as have been reported.

[capricorn]

Can we agree that they are linked to the company which did the Robo calling

The Conservatives never denied doing business with Racknine.

and dealt with them off the books reporting none of it to elections Canada?

Until Elections Canada finds grounds to investigate and rules against them that remains an unproven allegation.

[olpfan1]

The Conservatives never denied doing business with Racknine.

That is because their calls were traced back to racknine

Edited February 29, 2012 by olpfan1

[Smallc]

Guelph claims it was legitimate work that was done for them but it was left off the books for some reason

There is no evidence of that from EC as of right now. I have no idea if that is actually the case, or if there was any wrongdoing.

[j44]

Not to minimize what the Conservatives (may have) done here but am I wrong to assume this is done b parties all the time? And that they probably do more underhanded things?

Or is this just a big deal because it may have been systematic or authorized from high up?

[guyser]

At the pace Elections Canada conducts investigations, Monsieur Poutine has enough time to morph into the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

Isnt that...who is our PM again? I forget..

[cybercoma]

This is Great News

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/harper-dismisses-robo-call-scandal-as-smear-campaign-by-sore-losers/article2354253/comments/

Interesting how Harper is now dismissing the allegations, while earlier the narrative was that the CPC was also a victim of this crime. That's a bit of a gear shift, no?

[cybercoma]

Not to minimize what the Conservatives (may have) done here but am I wrong to assume this is done b parties all the time? And that they probably do more underhanded things?

Or is this just a big deal because it may have been systematic or authorized from high up?

Here's that argument again.

[Jack Weber]

Interesting how Harper is now dismissing the allegations, while earlier the narrative was that the CPC was also a victim of this crime. That's a bit of a gear shift, no?

Actually,I've notice a few narrative shifts...

1."We have nothing to do with this and we want those involved to punished to the fullest extent of the law!"

2."The party has nothing to do with this but it's fairly clear something went on in Guelph!"

3."This is an unsubstantiated smear campaign by the opposition!"

[olpfan1]

There are many scenarios that aren't out of the realm of possibility, some maybe even involving Liberal involvement. Maybe we should entertain these options as well. Maybe we should beat the war drum against Bob Rae himself, I'm sure we could cook up a scenario that would implicate him. We obviously don't need evidence, only innuendo. Of course we will have to wait until he's finished apologizing to Vic Toews for slander.

How did Bob Rae slander Toews?

And Is the telling the truth slander? one would think calling an mps constituents and saying hes quitting is slander

Edited February 29, 2012 by olpfan1

[olpfan1]

Actually,I've notice a few narrative shifts...

1."We have nothing to do with this and we want those involved to punished to the fullest extent of the law!"

2."The party has nothing to do with this but it's fairly clear something went on in Guelph!"

3."This is an unsubstantiated smear campaign by the opposition!"

That is how you know the CPC are full of sh!it

[cybercoma]

Actually,I've notice a few narrative shifts...

1."We have nothing to do with this and we want those involved to punished to the fullest extent of the law!"

2."The party has nothing to do with this but it's fairly clear something went on in Guelph!"

3."This is an unsubstantiated smear campaign by the opposition!"

You forgot. "It was the work of a rogue campaign worker. Here's his name."

[Jack Weber]

You forgot. "It was the work of a rogue campaign worker. Here's his name."

Ah yes....

The "Marius Vander Lubbe Approach".

[olpfan1]

You forgot. "It was the work of a rogue campaign worker. Here's his name."

Its kind of funny how Sona wouldnt take the fall... are we supposed to believe he kept quiet for 5 days cause

he thought it would just go away?! yeah right! most people the next day would have

said they were innocent not wait 5 days

The very next day after Sona releases his statement harper says its a smear campaign

and looks visibly shaken

I think hes pissed at Sona

[Topaz]

Once again your sense of history and mine are totally different, Topaz. And Chuck happened to be one of my personal heroes back then. He made his living fixing guitar amplifiers, the same as I do.

So, could you please provide some proof for what you said? Google up some reports or references? All you have done is repeated the Opposition's side of the story at the time of the affair as if it was gospel or proven.

Please back up what you claim! Just this once?

I can find more than one but here's one. http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/308112

[Topaz]

Today, its seems Sona is now saying he didn't do any wrong, so why did he resign? Also, it was pointed out today that Elections Canada asked the government for more power to look into all parties and they say....no. Even the Liberals allowed an inquiry to to be Adscam, which has now become nothing compared to this.

[olpfan1]

Didn't say Bob Rae slandered Toews, he just had to take care of the damage control.

And according to your logic, what's the difference between slander and legal but unethical airing of personal details? It's not what is the truth, it's whatever sounds sensational and sticks, right??

check the definition of slander

Slanderl are false claims that may harm someone's reputation.

we know false means untrue

what adam carol reported was the truth.. unless you HATE FREE SPEECH

Edited February 29, 2012 by olpfan1

[olpfan1]

This is so funny.. cons complaining about free speech and slander'!

the same party that uses sun news as their media

the same party that claims they should be allowed to say whatever they fricking want

whether they are wrong

god damn they are hilarious hypocrites

[Boges]

This is so funny.. cons complaining about free speech and slander'!

the same party that uses sun news as their media

the same party that claims they should be allowed to say whatever they fricking want

whether they are wrong

god damn they are hilarious hypocrites

What's anti-free speech about Sun News?

[olpfan1]

Today, its seems Sona is now saying he didn't do any wrong, so why did he resign? Also, it was pointed out today that Elections Canada asked the government for more power to look into all parties and they say....no. Even the Liberals allowed an inquiry to to be Adscam, which has now become nothing compared to this.

Sona said he didnt want to be a distraction.. but if he didnt want to be a distraction why the hell did he wait for 5 days

to release a statement? this does not make sense

of course the cpc wouldnt give EC more powers, theyre angry at getting busted doing the in & out

[olpfan1]

What's anti-free speech about Sun News?

I saw them on last night whining about toews getting slandered

its not slander if you report the facts

oh and sun media rarely reports the facts

[capricorn]

Today, its seems Sona is now saying he didn't do any wrong, so why did he resign?

Michael Sona tells us why.

I wish to address the allegations and accusations levelled against me in the media over the last six days. I have remained silent to this point with the hope that the real guilty party would be apprehended. The rumours continue to swirl, and media are now involving my family, so I feel that it is imperative that I respond.

I had no involvement in the fraudulent phone calls, which also targeted our supporters as can be attested to by our local campaign team and phone records. On Thursday, I offered my resignation to my employer. The role of a staffer is to assist their employer in their responsibilities, and that was impossible to accomplish with the media continually repeating these rumours. It is for that reason and that reason alone that I resigned from my position.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120228/full-michael-sona-statement-robocalls-120228/

[Boges]

I saw them on last night whining about toews getting slandered

its not slander if you report the facts

oh and sun media rarely reports the facts

Give some examples of them not reporting "facts"

By saying "rarely" you'd be implying that much of what you see on Sun News are lies.

That sounds pretty slanderous to me.

[olpfan1]

The minute I saw them clowns on sun news claim Asbestos was safe & ethical

I knew they don't care about facts

They get scripts by the CPC

Say what you want about CBC but they were never kowtowing to the liberal government