WWWTT Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I don't think there is a way to know for sure. Documents can be forged. It could be made up. He is not alive so one can't be 100 % certain it's real. I'm with you on this one. It seems a lot of people are buying this one way too fast! Much like the video footage on the eve of the 2004 presidential election! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest Derek L Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Just a side note here-Chairman Maos son died in the Korean military conflict WWWTT And didn't Stalin lose family members also? Prince Andrew served in the Falklands, and William is done there now and Harry went to the dirt box.... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 And didn't Stalin lose family members also? Prince Andrew served in the Falklands, and William is done there now and Harry went to the dirt box.... Yup; it is a tad like that scene in the Life of Brian where they discussed 'What have the Romans ever done for us?' Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 If Bin Laden is steering his kids out of harm's way by encouraging them to become westerners, isn't he in effect also steering them into the danger zone of Al-Qaeda's sights? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 If Bin Laden is steering his kids out of harm's way by encouraging them to become westerners, isn't he in effect also steering them into the danger zone of Al-Qaeda's sights? Yeah, right. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Yeah, right. It seems like a fair question in light of the special revulsion that is reserved for westerners who join Al-Qaeda. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
waldo Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I dont remember any western leaders sending their kids off to die lately either.... just hundreds of thousands of other peoples kids. uhhh... I see you've been countered with reference to a handful of U.S. Congressional members having sons/daughters serving - impressive - not! Of course, one wonders just how actively engaged even that small disproportionate number has been. at least today's 'all volunteer' thingee takes the chickenhawk sting off all those past profile deferments, ala Dick Cheney, G.W. Bush, Jeb Bush, John Ashcroft, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Rudi Giuliani, Joe Lieberman, Donald Trump, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Bill O'Reilly, etc., etc., etc. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 It's not the "American press" putting this out - though some respond as if it were - it's not "westerners" who claimed to have found his will - and this is his brother-in-law saying bin Laden told his children and grandchildren of his wishes. Seems to me if it weren't true bin Laden's children and grandchildren would easily be able to refute it - so why would the brother-in-law make it up? I just can't help but notice that the non-believers who simply choose not to believe it but to blame the U.S. for making it up/putting out propaganda without any critical thought think their automatic non-belief is so much more open minded than those who think there could be some truth behind it. If he did want his kids and grandkids to live in peace with the West and get a university education in Europe/America, certainly he was recognizing the advantages of our cultures. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 It seems like a fair question in light of the special revulsion that is reserved for westerners who join Al-Qaeda. That would assume that al-Qaeda doesn't do its prep-work pre-attack. But, this group has taken a beating over the last while. Serious international terrorism might be beyond them at the moment...possibly for good. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 uhhh... I see you've been countered with reference to a handful of U.S. Congressional members having sons/daughters serving - impressive - not! Of course, one wonders just how actively engaged even that small disproportionate number has been. at least today's 'all volunteer' thingee takes the chickenhawk sting off all those past profile deferments, ala Dick Cheney, G.W. Bush, Jeb Bush, John Ashcroft, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Rudi Giuliani, Joe Lieberman, Donald Trump, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Bill O'Reilly, etc., etc., etc. Naturally, you'd have hauled your rear to The Nam on your own dime rather than attend university. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 That would assume that al-Qaeda doesn't do its prep-work pre-attack. You'll have to expand on that a little, I don't know what you're getting at. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bud Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 It definitely does. Although to be fair, many government officials have children or relatives in the armed forces, and serving or have served in places like Afghanistan. And I doubt that they share the same disregard for a fellow soldier dying in combat. Not to mention that operations specifically based on suicide aren't usually part of the overall strategy. But I get your point. bush? cheney? wolfowitz? rumsfeld? feith? scooter libby? bolton? elliot abrams? woolsey? richard perle? which one of these guys have children serving in the military? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
waldo Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 uhhh... I see you've been countered with reference to a handful of U.S. Congressional members having sons/daughters serving - impressive - not! Of course, one wonders just how actively engaged even that small disproportionate number has been. at least today's 'all volunteer' thingee takes the chickenhawk sting off all those past profile deferments, ala Dick Cheney, G.W. Bush, Jeb Bush, John Ashcroft, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Rudi Giuliani, Joe Lieberman, Donald Trump, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Bill O'Reilly, etc., etc., etc. Naturally, you'd have hauled your rear to The Nam on your own dime rather than attend university. whatever I may or may not have done, you couldn't label me with the "Chickenhawk" tag, hey? In any case, we could have some fun here... I'm particularly fond of the Rush Limbaugh college deferment that was lost after he dropped out his first year... only to have a "miraculous" deferment come along associated with his, ahem... protracted "pilonidal cyst"! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 uhhh... I see you've been countered with reference to a handful of U.S. Congressional members having sons/daughters serving - impressive - not! Of course, one wonders just how actively engaged even that small disproportionate number has been. at least today's 'all volunteer' thingee takes the chickenhawk sting off all those past profile deferments, ala Dick Cheney, G.W. Bush, Jeb Bush, John Ashcroft, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Rudi Giuliani, Joe Lieberman, Donald Trump, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Bill O'Reilly, etc., etc., etc. "W" served with the Texas ANG and received a honourable discharge……Jeb Bush registered for the draft but his number was never called...... Quote
dre Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 To add, Palin's son. I was talking about western leaders... heads of state, prime ministers, presidents, etc. Sarah Palin is as much of a "leader" as bozo the clown, and same goes for the retards in congress. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Derek L Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 I was talking about western leaders... heads of state, prime ministers, presidents, etc. Sarah Palin is as much of a "leader" as bozo the clown, and same goes for the retards in congress. Perhaps you should be more clear when defining your goalposts in the future….Still, she was a Vice Presidential candidate, hawkish, and her son served………..I think the only two presidents within the last ~70 years without military service were Clinton and Obama……… Quote
dre Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Perhaps you should be more clear when defining your goalposts in the future….Still, she was a Vice Presidential candidate, hawkish, and her son served………..I think the only two presidents within the last ~70 years without military service were Clinton and Obama……… The goalposts were set just fine. "Western Leaders". The reason for the disconnect is that you appear to think Sarah Palin IS one Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) The goalposts were set just fine. "Western Leaders". The reason for the disconnect is that you appear to think Sarah Palin IS one Let's have a peek at Canada's recent "leaders" and military service: John Diefenbaker Canadian Expeditionary Force (Permanent Active Militia) Lieutenant Lester Bowles Pearson Canadian Expeditionary Force (Permanent Active Militia) Lieutenant Pierre Trudeau Canadian Army Home Service / Canadian Army Reserve Officer cadet Joe Clark none none none John Napier Turner none none none Brian Mulroney none none none Kim Campbell none none none Minister of National Defence 1993 Jean Chrétien none none none Paul Martin none none none Stephen Harper none none none Edited February 13, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Derek L Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 The goalposts were set just fine. "Western Leaders". The reason for the disconnect is that you appear to think Sarah Palin IS one Sure she could be defined as a leader……..She was a Governor. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Let's have a peek at Canada's recent "leaders" and military service: John Diefenbaker Canadian Expeditionary Force (Permanent Active Militia) Lieutenant Lester Bowles Pearson Canadian Expeditionary Force (Permanent Active Militia) Lieutenant Pierre Trudeau Canadian Army Home Service / Canadian Army Reserve Officer cadet Joe Clark none none none John Napier Turner none none none Brian Mulroney none none none Kim Campbell none none none Minister of National Defence 1993 Jean Chrétien none none none Paul Martin none none none Stephen Harper none none none That’s telling, but look at our current Head of State and her families service…….. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Sure she could be defined as a leader……..She was a Governor. Yea...Governor is good. Jesse Ventura sure liked it, "It is good to be king". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) That’s telling, but look at our current Head of State and her families service…….. Yes, they have to pick up all the slack! No PM service is the norm for Canada in the last century, adding: Sir Charles Tupper none none none Sir Wilfrid Laurier none none none Sir Robert Laird Borden none none none Arthur Meighen none none none William Lyon Mackenzie King none none none Richard Bedford Bennett none none none Louis St. Laurent none none none John Diefenbaker Canadian Expeditionary Force (Permanent Active Militia) Lieutenant Lester Bowles Pearson Canadian Expeditionary Force (Permanent Active Militia) Lieutenant Pierre Trudeau Canadian Army Home Service / Canadian Army Reserve Officer cadet Joe Clark none none none John Napier Turner none none none Brian Mulroney none none none Kim Campbell none none none Minister of National Defence 1993 Jean Chrétien none none none Paul Martin none none none Stephen Harper none none none I'm going to remember this the next time someone calls American presidents or cabinet members "chickenhawks". Edited February 13, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Derek L Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Yes, they have to pick up all the slack! No PM service is the norm for Canada in the last century, adding: Sir Charles Tupper none none none Sir Wilfrid Laurier none none none Sir Robert Laird Borden none none none Arthur Meighen none none none William Lyon Mackenzie King none none none Richard Bedford Bennett none none none Louis St. Laurent none none none I agree, very few former members of the Canadian Armed Forces go into politics………I honestly don’t know why….. Quote
waldo Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 I'm going to remember this the next time someone calls American presidents or cabinet members "chickenhawks". you should really acquaint yourself with what the term means, hey? Quote
waldo Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 "W" served with the Texas ANG and received a honourable discharge…… of course he did Jeb Bush registered for the draft but his number was never called...... yabut... it's a real mystery how his low number never was called when others way beyond were and went to Vietnam. A googly shows two diverging themes; one that follows the "number never came up", and numerous references to call-ups for persons born after Jeb "the next one" Bush! Things that make you go hmmmmm. Quote
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