jbg Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 I have to say if I was Iranian and I could see leaders like Stephan Harper levelling their sights on my country, I'd be eager to get my hands on a frightening deterrent too. Of course if I was PM I'd be more mindful of the crap that blew back in the west's face the last time we stuck our nose in Iran's business. We can't even knock over an Islamic state that's still in the dark ages and now we're picking a fight with an advanced one? Pass the popcorn I guess. If you were an Iranian leader, hopefully you wouldn't consider it important to chart a course of seeking death to (fill in the blank) Western country. That is why people like Harper are scary to Iranian leaders. No one would have a problem with them being an Islamic Republic, as long as they don't willfully make themselves a threat to the world. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Peeves Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 If you were an Iranian leader, hopefully you wouldn't consider it important to chart a course of seeking death to (fill in the blank) Western country. That is why people like Harper are scary to Iranian leaders. No one would have a problem with them being an Islamic Republic, as long as they don't willfully make themselves a threat to the world. If I were Iran and the Islamic biased UN was pointing a finger at me, and Islamic states also were concerned with a future nuclear prowesss, I would hardly be concerned that Canada is also concerned. Iran is in the sights of several Muslim countries as well as the West and now even China has thumped their chests and chastised Iran. Iran is hurting. They have no oil refineries, less demand for their oil so less trade dollars. A citizenship that would throw them over in a NY minute if they could, and a propensity to provoke which would only result in another embarrassment and loss of face to their Arab 'friends'. (Persians aren't friends of Arabs.) Quote
kactus Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) (Persians aren't friends of Arabs.) Neither are jews...That should be quite obvious to you as both arabs and jews despite being semites can't live with eachother in peace... Edited January 21, 2012 by kactus Quote
Guest Peeves Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 What's not to believe? Of course there is just a soupçon of exaggeration evident. Call it agitprop if you wish. http://www.anvari.org/cols/Political_Cartoons_about_Iran.html Quote
eyeball Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 A citizenship that would throw them over in a NY minute if they could They probably would if the west would only stop giving their government the main raison d'etre they depend on for oxygen. If you were an Iranian leader, hopefully you wouldn't consider it important to chart a course of seeking death to (fill in the blank) Western country. So long as western leaders were seeking my death to keep their rubes happy, why wouldn't I do the same to keep mine onside? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Peeves Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 They probably would if the west would only stop giving their government the main raison d'etre they depend on for oxygen. So long as western leaders were seeking my death to keep their rubes happy, why wouldn't I do the same to keep mine onside? You think Western Leaders want Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dead? Nope, he is doing a great job of subjugating Iranians and Iranians are cool modern, educated people that will at first chance create a Persian spring. They would have succeeded in the protests following the 2009 Iranian presidential election against the disputed victory had they received support.Obama waited and waited weighing the voters, then it was too late. Besides that, IF any Western country wanted his demise it would be very easy to accomplish. And besides that, there is after all an unwritten rule, "don't kill me and I won't kill you' between countries leaders. Factions, sectarian, political or criminal will assassinate a sitting world leader or a pope, but not under the orders (usually) of another sitting world leader. Of course there are exceptions..... Quote
Guest Peeves Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 Neither are jews...That should be quite obvious to you as both arabs and jews despite being semites can't live with eachother in peace... Many Israeli citizens, Jews and Arabs and Christians, live and work together in peace. Quote
eyeball Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 You think Western Leaders want Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dead? In so many words, sure. The point I'm making is that our interference in the internal affairs of Iran is no more welcomed by ordinary people than it is the state. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 In so many words, sure. The point I'm making is that our interference in the internal affairs of Iran is no more welcomed by ordinary people than it is the state. Tough bounce, as Iran's "interference in the internal affairs" of other nations isn't welcomed either. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 Tough bounce, as Iran's "interference in the internal affairs" of other nations isn't welcomed either. Never said it was. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bud Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 you can run, but you can't hide. There is much documented evidence that Iran's leaders you keep repeating that, but you've failed miserably in providing any real evidence of this. you've linked to some article written in 2001 on a site that is based in france. the comments in this suspect article are made by some cleric who is not an iranian government official. this is the link to the article that you posted: http://www.iran-pres...eats_141201.htm this is the domain: http://www.iran-press-service.com, which does not go to any news agency. your proof that iran wants to annihilate israel is total crap. are you interested in facts or are you here to propagate the site with misinformation and lies? along with Hizbullah and Hamas want Israel destroyed and the Jews again scattered to the ends of the earth. that's tough to believe since iran has a large jewish population. isn't there close to 20 synagogues in the capital of iran, tehran? It is simply disingenuous to deny this when Iran's leaders have openly stated their position, what is disingenuous is you and your comments. i've provided facts which go against your b.s. cartoons in Iran's newspapers display that message. Now one may argue the world is flat and that Iran's message has been misunderstood, but anyone with common sense scoffs at such a defense of the likes of Ahmadinjad who shows his colors on every opportunity. i thought we went over ahmadinejad's comments. he has never said he wants the jews to be wiped. he only talks about the zionist regime. stop lying. It is of course a a waste of time debating with those defending Iran as misunderstood, for they too obviously must agree with Ahmadinejad on Israel or why would they so stubbornly defend him? i dislike ahmadinejad and i dislike most of the clerics who run the iranian government. but this is mostly due to their internal policies against their own people. however, this doesn't blind me to the lies and misinformation that you and other hasbara bots try to spread in order to justify an attack on iran. the fact remains that iranian government have not threatened 'annihilation' against the jews. The threat I referred to in the opening post was however not by Ahmadinejad or even the one by Khomeini which Ahmadinejad praised, but rather earlier by a former leader of Iran. i responded to this suspect link you provided above. deal with it. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 You know, ol' Dinnerjacket and pals just want to alter the demographics of the Levant...rearange the reality on the ground in Israel...adjust the goal posts for a just reversal of the Arab-Israeli conflict...rethink the possibilities of the relocation of the regime in question. But, they don't want to wipe out Israel. That's not what they said...... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
sharkman Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Exactly. Don't you dare accuse Iran of that! Quote
Guest Peeves Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Exactly. Don't you dare accuse Iran of that! I'm certainly not one to accuse Iranian leaders of anything that they themselves don't openly scream to the roof tops. Why would I? No need, they repeat their position on Jews, the Holocaust and Israel at every opportunity even to the extent of sponsoring cartoon contests to demean Jews. Besides I don't think Israel exists...on their maps...of the region. Quote
sharkman Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Yes, and this mentality approaches that which seeked to have 'peace in our time', at the start of WWII. Quote
bud Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 hehe i guess peeves will hide from the truth. so be it; we have another person who is unable to deal with the truth because it goes against the narrative he desperately wants to sell. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Guest Peeves Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 hehe i guess peeves will hide from the truth. so be it; we have another person who is unable to deal with the truth because it goes against the narrative he desperately wants to sell. Sell? Hey you wanit, I could maybe get it for you wholesale? Quote
jbg Posted January 25, 2012 Report Posted January 25, 2012 No need, they repeat their position on Jews, the Holocaust and Israel at every opportunity even to the extent of sponsoring cartoon contests to demean Jews. Then can someone tell me why there isn't a Jewish "cartoon jihad" throughout the world? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
William Ashley Posted January 25, 2012 Report Posted January 25, 2012 assasination is illegal plain and simple. except under certain contexts, BUT.. those scientists don't fit the grounds they are innocent people assasinating the person making the threat is maybe ok if it is plausable they could actually carry it out but otherwise it is nonsense. There is so much war mongering on the part of NATO it is not that these countries constitute a threat it is that they don't want them to constitute a threat, and it costs way more money to defend against a successful nation than a non successful nation. Its not worth it, I ran could destroy israel if it wanted whether it does that with Nukes or Conventionalweapons has the same result regardless. or justifiable for a covert response? The assassination of certain Iranians and others elsewhere is being condemned on one hand and I'm sure applauded by others. I'm suggesting here that any actions short of perhaps invasion or war can be a justifiable response to such openly warlike rhetoric. I don't mean that type of ploy as used by Germany, but rather open threats by one of a countries leaders against another country. Would a threatened country be expected to just sit on their hands or react in defense? IFthe state of Israel responds with covert actions can they be seriously faulted by other countries and should their allies be supportive. If the threat is unprovoked,is it not reasonable to consider the threat as requiring a defensive strategy? Does the UN allow a member country to suggest the annihilation of another. Iran like Korea is a rogue country. I might personally deem other countries as rogue as well, South American perhaps. I think that if a country is openly suggesting action against another they make themselves a target for a justifiable response. I suggest the degree of response might be judged in one way publicly and yet another sotto voce. http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm Quote I was here.
Guest Peeves Posted January 25, 2012 Report Posted January 25, 2012 assasination is illegal plain and simple. except under certain contexts, BUT.. those scientists don't fit the grounds they are innocent people assasinating the person making the threat is maybe ok if it is plausable they could actually carry it out but otherwise it is nonsense. There is so much war mongering on the part of NATO it is not that these countries constitute a threat it is that they don't want them to constitute a threat, and it costs way more money to defend against a successful nation than a non successful nation. Its not worth it, I ran could destroy israel if it wanted whether it does that with Nukes or Conventionalweapons has the same result regardless. I doubt Iran could destroy Israel. It couldn't destroy Iraq. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 25, 2012 Report Posted January 25, 2012 Exactly. Don't you dare accuse Iran of that! You don't dare accuse Israel of that either. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 25, 2012 Report Posted January 25, 2012 You don't dare accuse Israel of that either. Has the Israeli government been calling for Iran to be removed from the map? Do they have a 'Death to Iran Day'? Hold 'Iran-Iraq War Denial conferences'? Have Anti-Iranian cartooning fests? C'mon...stop pretending the two are on the same page. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted January 25, 2012 Report Posted January 25, 2012 Has the Israeli government been calling for Iran to be removed from the map? Do they have a 'Death to Iran Day'? Hold 'Iran-Iraq War Denial conferences'? Have Anti-Iranian cartooning fests? C'mon...stop pretending the two are on the same page. Nuke the whole area, including Israel, then we can have some peace on the earth and carry on without this bullshit that is the whole of The Middle East. Israel is the aggressor here. They were the aggressors in Iraq (Osirak), and Syria (Deir ez-Zor) which are acts of war on sovereign countries. So you are right they are not the same, Iran may have strong words, but Israel's past actions are more of a concern to me. They WILL act, and that WILL start another bigger conflict in the Middle East. Israel seems to be just itching for a war. War has already been declared on Iran, sanctions were the start of it. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 25, 2012 Report Posted January 25, 2012 GH: Israel is the aggressor here. OK...so how are those darn Israelis being the aggressor here? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted January 25, 2012 Report Posted January 25, 2012 Deir ez-Zor? It was a centre for execution during the Armenian Genocide...you're blaming the Israelis for something from 1915? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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