dre Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 If you're talking about pure physicality?? You're right about baseball... If you're taking into account the necessary mental approach?? Well,that's a gamechanger... Yeah thats my point. Theres so many ways to judge "difficulty", and natural instincts are often what sets the great players apart from the good players. Golf isnt a very demanding game physically but you go to war with yourself each and every time out. Course management is every bit as hard as swinging the club and hitting the ball. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Shwa Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 Also the fact that we in north America only recently got a somewhat respectable pro soccer league. I think the problem is development at the high school level which is critical because those players in UEFA start at pretty young ages. From what I understand, there is a question about the Canadian Soccer Association's ability to gather elite athletes for any length of time for elite level training and instruction. I am not sure what the national team camps are like time-wise, but I would imagine geography comes into play. Quote
Shwa Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 They also get to hit with aluminum bats. PING!!!! But the principle is the same, hitting a round ball with a rounded bat. Quote
Shwa Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 Golf is a thinking mans game as well. You live and die by your mental approach to the game. I'll say. I approach golf and I go mental. Likely why the 19th hole is so popular. Quote
blueblood Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 From what I understand, there is a question about the Canadian Soccer Association's ability to gather elite athletes for any length of time for elite level training and instruction. I am not sure what the national team camps are like time-wise, but I would imagine geography comes into play. I'd say funding. Hockey Canada is swimming in cash and has the resources to develop the most dominant junior teams in the world. Every year on tsn, the coverage on these kids gets more and more ridiculous. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
dre Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 I'll say. I approach golf and I go mental. Likely why the 19th hole is so popular. Yeah, Iv never tried to hard at something in my life, and had such a hard time getting results. Iv played almost every sport, and they all came easy to me. I will probably never shoot a round of golf under par, and thats not even supposed to be a good score. Love the 19th hole Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
blueblood Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 Yeah, Iv never tried to hard at something in my life, and had such a hard time getting results. Iv played almost every sport, and they all came easy to me. I will probably never shoot a round of golf under par, and thats not even supposed to be a good score. Love the 19th hole That's why I don't keep score when I go golfing. I find I have a better time when I focus on just crushing the ball, and if I am with a group, it's cart vs. Cart best ball. Makes it more competitive and allows for more teamwork/forgiveness of mistakes. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Jack Weber Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 But the principle is the same, hitting a round ball with a rounded bat. Yes,but the efficiency of that principle changes with the substance of the bat... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 I'd say funding. Hockey Canada is swimming in cash and has the resources to develop the most dominant junior teams in the world. Every year on tsn, the coverage on these kids gets more and more ridiculous. You got that right... It cuts into my watching of Bowl Season!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
wyly Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 One might have rudimentary eye-hand coordination from birth, but any technical expertise is learned.. just as head/eye, chest/eye, etc., and the technical use of a gaming implement such as a hockey stick or bat. However, all of this rests on the eye's ability to gaze and sort information. but the hand is our natural method for manipulation we've millions of years of evolution geared toward just that, a large amount of brain matter devoted to just that...we have not evolved to use our head , chest, legs, and feet to manipulate implements...try catch a ball with your head and get back to me when you've succeeded... The football would have been better to discuss the technical skill of holding on to the ball with one hand while simultaneously getting hit by a 250 lb linebacker.same holds true for soccer player shielding the ball while a defender is intent on going through your ankle/knee with his studs up, or a 6ft+ 200lb+ goal keeper is in full flight to obliterate you...I have it on good information that part of our problem is the elite development program itself and it's inability to properly train athletes at the levels required to develop that technical proficiency.an over simplification but that's a small part of it...it's our entire sports culture/society that is the problem... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Boges Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) You got that right... It cuts into my watching of Bowl Season!!! The hysteria around the World Juniors is a media invention. You're somehow unpatriotic if you don't like it. We're the only country that really cares about it. And that's why 3 times out of 4 it's held in Canada. I think it was more important post 1998 when it was thought that Canada was really losing its grip on being the best nation in Hockey so we could look to domination in the World Junior's as a success. Unless you're an CHL Junkie no one knows these players. Edited December 8, 2011 by Boges Quote
August1991 Posted December 8, 2011 Author Report Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) What a thread. I looked through it quickly. At first, you argue about the skills required to play certain games. (To me, baseball players have to know how to scratch their dick/balls/bum in front of a stadium of thousands of people and with TV closeups, millions. Cyclists have to suffer torture for hours, and wind up with weirdly shaped bodies. Golfers? What skill is required? Dunno. Ability to wear silly pants and seduce female bartenders?) Then you discuss what sport is more interesting for spectators (!). IMHO, hockey is better to watch than soccer or football (either one). I suppose baseball is better than paint-drying. And then there's golf and bowling. ---- My OP concerned how to decide a winner and what I conclude is that "sports people" (as opposed to political junkies) care more about the style of play than about who wins. Nevertheless, I am still surprised how the process to determine a winner (Stanley Cup/European Cup) is so arbitrary. And I'm also surprised that the NHL throws away "valuable" information: the goal spread/margin of victory. Edited December 9, 2011 by August1991 Quote
wyly Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 Also the fact that we in north America only recently got a somewhat respectable pro soccer league. I think the problem is development at the high school level which is critical because those players in UEFA start at pretty young ages. the problem is at the 5-10year old level, by highs chool age it's too late they'll never develop into elite level soccer players...euro and s americans have 10-12 yr olds with technical abilities that exceed our average 20 yr olds... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 LOL the MLS isn't respectable. It's where washed-up Euro's go to die. yup...no one else will pay them the big bucks anymore...David Beckham being an exception he left europe before his best days were over.. Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 The hard part about sports like rugby, soccer, and hockey isnt just the physical part. Its how well you can read the plays and mentally keep track of whats going on on the field. Take a look at Gretzky for example. Not a great skater, not a great shooter, not even a particularly athletic person. But he could see the ice and understand the plays from down on the ice as well as someone sitting in the press box. speed of thought..."the first five yards is in head" Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Boges Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 Nevertheless, I am still surprised how the process to determine a winner (Stanley Cup/European Cup) is so arbitrary. And I'm also surprised that the NHL throws away "valuable" information: the goal spread/margin of victory. In a Best of 7 series I really don't the spread of each game should be an issue. Aggregate is a fair way to have a 2-game series in both team's park in Soccer though. Champion's League is more of a tournament meant to be played in tandem with a league schedule. That's why the games are usually played on Wednesday and league games are played on the weekend. The Stanley Cup playoffs are a grind marathon that requires 100% of a player time and effort. Quote
wyly Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 From what I understand, there is a question about the Canadian Soccer Association's ability to gather elite athletes for any length of time for elite level training and instruction. I am not sure what the national team camps are like time-wise, but I would imagine geography comes into play. yes that's a problem for putting a cohesive team on the field for international competition...but it doesn't explain why those players are sub standard to begin with...no matter how long they train together they're 2nd rate players...we've produced better players but they choose to play for other countries where they'll actually have a chance to reach the world cup and possibly win it... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted December 8, 2011 Report Posted December 8, 2011 In a Best of 7 series I really don't the spread of each game should be an issue. Aggregate is a fair way to have a 2-game series in both team's park in Soccer though. Champion's League is more of a tournament meant to be played in tandem with a league schedule. That's why the games are usually played on Wednesday and league games are played on the weekend. The Stanley Cup playoffs are a grind marathon that requires 100% of a player time and effort. physically a soccer player couldn't play the amount of games played in the NHL plus playoffs, the endurance/recovery requirements are too dissimilar...and I don't know of any sport that plays as many games as baseball does in a season, it's not very physically demanding... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
blueblood Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 You got that right... It cuts into my watching of Bowl Season!!! When your up to the go daddy.com bowl or the chick fil-A bowl, it's getting to be a little ridiculous in itself there too. I'm surprised August didn't talk about this in the original thread, the championship game is determined by a computer program... Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Jack Weber Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 When your up to the go daddy.com bowl or the chick fil-A bowl, it's getting to be a little ridiculous in itself there too. I'm surprised August didn't talk about this in the original thread, the championship game is determined by a computer program... I'll take both of those over any junior hockey tournament... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
blueblood Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) I'll take both of those over any junior hockey tournament... The only thing I don't like about that is how a computer picks who the top two teams are. What would be wrong with using the top 4 bowl games (fiesta, orange, rose, sugar) as a precursor to a mini playoff to find out the national champion. It seems so random. And here we go the IIHF world junior hockey countdown on tsn, really???? Edited December 9, 2011 by blueblood Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 You're telling me it takes daily practice to learn to skate backwards? Puuuleese! Not saying elite hockey skating is a piece of cake but it's not the an extraordinarily difficult thing to do. to skate at a pro level yes Quote
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 And here we go the IIHF world junior hockey countdown on tsn, really???? Watching the cocky team Canada choke against the Russians last year was a thing of beauty They better stay humble this tourney Quote
wyly Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Yeah, Iv never tried to hard at something in my life, and had such a hard time getting results. Iv played almost every sport, and they all came easy to me. I will probably never shoot a round of golf under par, and thats not even supposed to be a good score. Love the 19th hole if you shoot par you're a respectable golfer from my understanding...my brother now 68 didn't start playing golf until he was 45 shoots par, but he also played a 100 rounds per year...he's cut it down to 50 rounds now and uses a cart...he's a bit of a machine/robot, cold, meticulous and methodical perfect for a game like golf, too bad he never started playing when he was teenager... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 to skate at a pro level yes I know a professional skating coach that never skated till he was 21, and he coaches NHL players...so unlike some sports it isn't such a difficult skill that it needs to be started at a young age... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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