Iranian Nuclear Threat - Real or Not?

[Guest Manny]

I read somewhere that Ahmadinejad said in a speech, he wants to blow Israel off the map. Annihilate it.

Sounds kinda threatening...

[bush_cheney2004]

it just makes america more satanic than canada

I sure hope so....America left home at 15...Canada stayed in the basement until age 35!

[WWWTT]

The problem was that the entire civilized world did not want to enter another conflict like it had between '14 and '18.Little did the powers of the time know that if they had done something,the conflict between '39 and '45 would have much less worse than it turned out to be.

This is a false statement.

Western nations were desperately seeking war by the later years of the great depresion.

War provided an excellent opportunity to end the great depression and mobilize against conficting economies.

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[Signals.Cpl]

Then just tell them its a last resort! Invent a bunch of stories and then have the CIA say its a "slam dunk".

Problem solved.

Nobody wants a war, from my point of view, the US and EU are going to tighten sanctions, and feed the fire with the hope that Iranian people get tired, and liberate themselvs. This way US has its hands clean gets the job done at miminum price, and the Iranian people get to make a choice.

Iranians as a nation do not hate Americans and vice versa, unfortunately for Iran, they have leadership that has managed to alienate the majority of the civilized world. War is not likely, but a revolt might be.

[Signals.Cpl]

This is a false statement.

Western nations were desperately seeking war by the later years of the great depresion.

War provided an excellent opportunity to end the great depression and mobilize against conficting economies.

WWWTT

Really? Then why did the US wait 2 whole years to join the fun? Why did the British, the French and the Polish sellout Czechoslovakia as a means in avoiding another war. If western europe was looking for another general war, they would have started one in 1938 when they could have beaten Germany. The French did not want war, because the last one was fought on their soil and Belgium soil. This would not be economicaly sound, and the British depended on overseas trade yet they ignored the German Naval buildup and the creation of the U-Boat Forces.

[WWWTT]

In my opinion the threat of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons is very potent and growing stronger.

However I do not feel threatened

The only ones that are threatened are the ones that want to invade Iran

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[WWWTT]

Really? Then why did the US wait 2 whole years to join the fun? Why did the British, the French and the Polish sellout Czechoslovakia as a means in avoiding another war. If western europe was looking for another general war, they would have started one in 1938 when they could have beaten Germany. The French did not want war, because the last one was fought on their soil and Belgium soil. This would not be economicaly sound, and the British depended on overseas trade yet they ignored the German Naval buildup and the creation of the U-Boat Forces.

Oh I don't know,why did the US wait 3 years before joining WWI?Maybe because of the same reason?

Hey man you think that all these freekin wars that have happened were never planned or engineered in some way by people on both sides pulling the strings?

I actually agree with you that war with Iran will never happen

In fact I'm betting that after the 2012 presidential election(which Obama will win)Iran is going to fade away with alot of this midle east conflict.

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[olp1fan]

US was years late in joining both world wars

sup with that?

[dre]

Oh I don't know,why did the US wait 3 years before joining WWI?Maybe because of the same reason?

Hey man you think that all these freekin wars that have happened were never planned or engineered in some way by people on both sides pulling the strings?

I actually agree with you that war with Iran will never happen

In fact I'm betting that after the 2012 presidential election(which Obama will win)Iran is going to fade away with alot of this midle east conflict.

WWWTT

I REALLY hope you are right. But the west might get drawn into it by an act of aggression on the part of Israel.

Israel could try to do something on their own. If this happens Iran will probably respond... it can cause problems in a number of different ways through proxies in Iraq and Lebanon and Syria and it can make it REALLY expensive to get oil out of the Persian gulf. Iran also has missiles that can reach Israel and just about any other country in the region.

I can easily see Israel getting us sucked into this.

[dre]

Interesting section on the Wiki Iran page...

Weapons of mass destruction

Main articles: Iran and weapons of mass destruction and Science and technology in Iran

Iran ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention in 1997. Iranian troops and civilians suffered tens of thousands of casualties from Iraqi chemical weapons provided by western countries during the 1980-88 Iran–Iraq War. As a result, Iran has publicly stood against the use of chemical weapons, making numerous vitriolic comments against Iraq's use of such weapons in international forums.

Even today, more than eighteen years after the end of the Iran–Iraq War, about 30,000 Iranians are still suffering and dying from the effects of chemical weapons employed by Iraq during the war. The need to manage the treatment of such a large number of casualties has placed Iran’s medical specialists in the forefront of the development of effective treatment regimes for chemical weapons victims, and particularly for those suffering from exposure to mustard gas.[33]

Iran ratified the Biological weapons Convention in 1973.[34] Iran has advanced biological and genetic engineering research programs supporting an industry that produces vaccines for both domestic use and export.

Gosh... Wonder why they dont like us, and might want a deterent? They're still dying from the LAST western backed war of aggression against them, where the west helped Iraq kill tens of thousands of Iranians with chemical weapons.

[DogOnPorch]

US was years late in joining both world wars

sup with that?

Grade 11 or 12 History or what?

Historically, America bounces between World Policeman and Isolationism. Let Europe fight Europe's wars, etc. We hope America doesn't choose the later in the coming days, I suppose...since the baddies seem to use it as a great opportunity for mischief. Well...I do, anyways.

It was Germany that brought America to war in Europe, though. Both World Wars.

[DogOnPorch]

Interesting section on the Wiki Iran page...

Gosh... Wonder why they dont like us, and might want a deterent? They're still dying from the LAST western backed war of aggression against them, where the west helped Iraq kill tens of thousands of Iranians with chemical weapons.

The precursors for many chemical weapons have duel uses besides their use in making bombs, etc. The US's so-called contribution to this were pesticides and herbicides needed for agriculture. Or so Saddam promised...lol. BTW, Arab and Asian countries did their part in giving Saddam the tools needed, too. Some with obvious NON duel use like VX nerve agent precursors...which is VERY nasty stuff...and still missing.

[dre]

The precursors for many chemical weapons have duel uses besides their use in making bombs, etc. The US's so-called contribution to this were pesticides and herbicides needed for agriculture. Or so Saddam promised...lol. BTW, Arab and Asian countries did their part in giving Saddam the tools needed, too. Some with obvious NON duel use like VX nerve agent precursors...which is VERY nasty stuff...and still missing.

Either way... Its pretty understandable that Iran would be pretty much scared shitless. The west sponsored unprovoked and aggresive wars against Iran by Iraq, and then they announce that Iran is a member of the "axis of evil", and subsequently carpet bomb one of the other members.

If Irans leaders are not trying to come up with some kind of deterent to this continued hostility then they are quite frankly, utter abject morons.

[Signals.Cpl]

Either way... Its pretty understandable that Iran would be pretty much scared shitless. The west sponsored unprovoked and aggresive wars against Iran by Iraq, and then they announce that Iran is a member of the "axis of evil", and subsequently carpet bomb one of the other members.

If Irans leaders are not trying to come up with some kind of deterent to this continued hostility then they are quite frankly, utter abject morons.

Oh the US supported Iran with weapons too, rather unwillingly but they did. But to be fair, the US and EU are not asking for much, all they require is stop enriching and give inspectors 100% access to anything they need to see. The way things are now, words do not mean a thing when you take them in conjunction with Iran's words. To me, the situation could be fixed quciktime, if Iran just agreed to stop research on nukes. I am sure that the US and EU will be more then happy to resume trade, lift sanctions and guarantee freedom of Iran if they complied. But this will not happen because they are trying to build a nuke.

[WWWTT]

The precursors for many chemical weapons have duel uses besides their use in making bombs, etc. The US's so-called contribution to this were pesticides and herbicides needed for agriculture. Or so Saddam promised...lol. BTW, Arab and Asian countries did their part in giving Saddam the tools needed, too. Some with obvious NON duel use like VX nerve agent precursors...which is VERY nasty stuff...and still missing.

Actually the guy who started poisinous gas for Germany in WWI(he was jewish by the way)continued his research after WWI under the cloak of pestiside control.

Even nukes have a peacefull purpose.

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[Guest Manny]

US was years late in joining both world wars

sup with that?

Because there was a lot of money to be made, and by letting the other guys blow themselves up first, they become a superpower.

[Signals.Cpl]

I REALLY hope you are right. But the west might get drawn into it by an act of aggression on the part of Israel.

Israel could try to do something on their own. If this happens Iran will probably respond... it can cause problems in a number of different ways through proxies in Iraq and Lebanon and Syria and it can make it REALLY expensive to get oil out of the Persian gulf. Iran also has missiles that can reach Israel and just about any other country in the region.

I can easily see Israel getting us sucked into this.

Israel has the right and the duty to its people to do everything possiable to assure their continual existance. Saying that Israel is an agressor is missing an important part of the equation. Israel has said they will act on their own should the world community fail in preventing Iran from getting their on Nuclear Weapons, thus the ball is in the court of Iran.If Iran stopped their research Israel would have no reason nor desire to attack Iran.

[WWWTT]

Oh the US supported Iran with weapons too, rather unwillingly but they did. But to be fair, the US and EU are not asking for much, all they require is stop enriching and give inspectors 100% access to anything they need to see. The way things are now, words do not mean a thing when you take them in conjunction with Iran's words. To me, the situation could be fixed quciktime, if Iran just agreed to stop research on nukes. I am sure that the US and EU will be more then happy to resume trade, lift sanctions and guarantee freedom of Iran if they complied. But this will not happen because they are trying to build a nuke.

Are you joking?

There isn't one country in the west that would give an independant agency free access to every/any facility within their country!So why should Iran?

What if this independant body wanted free access to whatever sight they wanted in the US?Or Russia?China?Britain?Or France?

I believe many countries have already made accusations that this body has bein iniltrated with spies!

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[WWWTT]

Israel has the right and the duty to its people to do everything possiable to assure their continual existance. Saying that Israel is an agressor is missing an important part of the equation. Israel has said they will act on their own should the world community fail in preventing Iran from getting their on Nuclear Weapons, thus the ball is in the court of Iran.If Iran stopped their research Israel would have no reason nor desire to attack Iran.

I absolutely agree!

Question is will the west or the US get involved?

Would Isreal even do something against Iran if they knew that they would not get involved?

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[Signals.Cpl]

Oh I don't know,why did the US wait 3 years before joining WWI?Maybe because of the same reason?

Hey man you think that all these freekin wars that have happened were never planned or engineered in some way by people on both sides pulling the strings?

I actually agree with you that war with Iran will never happen

In fact I'm betting that after the 2012 presidential election(which Obama will win)Iran is going to fade away with alot of this midle east conflict.

WWWTT

The fact is that yes, all those wars were orchestrated by someone but the argument was that the wars were a means of jumpstarting the economy, and to me that is downright idiotic. Maeby historicaly a small war would have such an effect and the added bonus of distracting people from political mistakes, but of all thnings, the Western Europeans feared a General War so much that they would not wish to start one for the single reason of economic recovery.

The Reason the US joined 3 years late in World War 1 could be attributed to the desire of the US to say out of European wars, but Germany decided to use unrestricted warfare by the use of submarines, thus they eroded the US desire to stay out and eventualy this was one of the main reasons for their entry in to the war.

[GostHacked]

Good gosh...that's what the Nazis were saying after Czechoslovakia and there were fools that believed THEM, too.

Let me know when Iran starts taking over it's neighbors.

[GostHacked]

Grade 11 or 12 History or what?

Historically, America bounces between World Policeman and Isolationism. Let Europe fight Europe's wars, etc. We hope America doesn't choose the later in the coming days, I suppose...since the baddies seem to use it as a great opportunity for mischief. Well...I do, anyways.

It was Germany that brought America to war in Europe, though. Both World Wars.

Hmm, was it not Japan that brought the USA into WWII with the bombing of Pearl Harbor?

[Signals.Cpl]

Hmm, was it not Japan that brought the USA into WWII with the bombing of Pearl Harbor?

To be fair, the US was involved to a degree before they decalred war. All through 1941 the US was escorting Allied Convoys in the Western Atlantic between Canada and Iceland. And then there were American ships damaged or sunk by German U-boats and the US destroyed a German weather station in Greenland. Officialy Pearl Harbour was the cause, unofficaly the fall of France, because once France fell and Britain seemed on the verge of collapse, the Atlantic Ocean did not seem that big anymore. The US wanted to stay out of the war but once the danger of both the French Fleet, and any Remnants of the RN that Germany Managed to take if they invaded the British became aparent the US knew they would be at war with the Axis at some point in the near future.

[DogOnPorch]

Hmm, was it not Japan that brought the USA into WWII with the bombing of Pearl Harbor?

Read what I wrote carefully.

[DogOnPorch]

Let me know when Iran starts taking over it's neighbors.

Which is what we did with Germany, as well.