cybercoma Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) The poll surveyed New Jersey residents about the uprisings in Egypt and the Middle East, and where they get their news sources. The study, which controlled for demographic factors like education and partisanship, found that "people who watch Fox News are 18-points less likely to know that Egyptians overthrew their government" and "6-points less likely to know that Syrians have not yet overthrown their government" compared to those who watch no news. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-less-informed-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009&ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false This should raise some serious red flags about.... Edited November 25, 2011 by cybercoma Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-less-informed-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009&ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false This should raise some serious red flags about.... that's hardly a revelation... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-less-informed-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009&ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false This should raise some serious red flags about.... Right... the problem is its hard to tell if Fox actually MAKES its viewers stupid, or if they just attract viewers that are already grossly misinformed. Its a chicken/egg thing. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) This should raise some serious red flags about....idiots who repeat poll results without look at what was actually asked and answered.For starters only 36% of people said they did NOT watch Fox News vs 79% who said they did NOT listen NPR. So we are talking about a huge swatch of voting public that cuts across party lines. People also gave multiple answers. Second, there are three choices: Yes, No and Don't Know. There is only one wrong answer yet the spin in HuffandPuff ignores the Don't Knows. For the question about Egypt: 18% of NPR listeners said No vs. 24% of Fox viewers. For the question about Syria: 17% of NPR listeners said Yes vs. 20% of Fox viewers. The results for the Syria question is with in the margin of error and irrelevant. The Egypt question may be statistically significant but a 6% difference is a lot smaller than the 18% trumpeted in the HuffandPuff. Edited November 25, 2011 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 idiots who repeat poll results without look at what was actually asked and answered. For starters only 36% of people said they did NOT watch Fox News vs 79% who said they did NOT listen NPR. So we are talking about a huge swatch of voting public that cuts across party lines. People also gave multiple answers. Second, there are three choices: Yes, No and Don't Know. There is only one wrong answer yet the spin in HuffandPuff ignores the Don't Knows. For the question about Egypt: 18% of NPR listeners said No vs. 24% of Fox viewers. For the question about Syria: 17% of NPR listeners said Yes vs. 20% of Fox viewers. The results for the Syria question is with in the margin of error and irrelevant. The Egypt question may be statistically significant but a 6% difference is a lot smaller than the 18% trumpeted in the HuffandPuff. Plus like I said... you cant blame fox if the viewers were already stupid BEFORE they started watching Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) Plus like I said... you cant blame fox if the viewers were already stupid BEFORE they started watchingNo. I this the label stupid applies to non-fox viewers who try to draw expansive conclusions from a poll with dubious questions and methodology. All the results could mean is Fox viewers are 6% more likely to guess the answer to a poll question instead of saying 'Don't Know'. Edited November 25, 2011 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Plus like I said... you cant blame fox if the viewers were already stupid BEFORE they started watching I'm thinkin' it more of a "moths attracted to a light" thing re. the brainless and clueless and Fox News... On the positive side,I suppose, is that the pathetic attempt to replicate that crap here seems to have been sent to cable purgatory due to lack of interest. Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Right... the problem is its hard to tell if Fox actually MAKES its viewers stupid, or if they just attract viewers that are already grossly misinformed. Its a chicken/egg thing. They controlled for education though. That should be very concerning for everyone. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 idiots who repeat poll results without look at what was actually asked and answered. For starters only 36% of people said they did NOT watch Fox News vs 79% who said they did NOT listen NPR. So we are talking about a huge swatch of voting public that cuts across party lines. People also gave multiple answers. Second, there are three choices: Yes, No and Don't Know. There is only one wrong answer yet the spin in HuffandPuff ignores the Don't Knows. For the question about Egypt: 18% of NPR listeners said No vs. 24% of Fox viewers. For the question about Syria: 17% of NPR listeners said Yes vs. 20% of Fox viewers. The results for the Syria question is with in the margin of error and irrelevant. The Egypt question may be statistically significant but a 6% difference is a lot smaller than the 18% trumpeted in the HuffandPuff. You need a tissue? That sure sounds like a lot of crying. Maybe you should have a good look at the title and figure out why comparing the Fox viewers to NPR viewers is irrelevant. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) My question still, as always, is: Why are all conservative media outlets beligerent bullies on the air toward anything they don't agree with? Edited November 26, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Maybe you should have a good look at the title and figure out why comparing the Fox viewers to NPR viewers is irrelevant.And you really think it makes any difference?You can whine as much as you like but he poll simply does not support the expansive claims made in the huffandpuff article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 My question still, as always, is: Why are all conservative media outlets beligerent bullies on the air toward anything they don't agree with? Ratings. It's WWE-Style journalism. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Ratings. It's WWE-Style journalism. Thats the thing.... as this study and other studies shows fox does a terrible job at educating viewers about news and events. But so what? Their purpose is to make money for shareholders, by generating good ratings which allow them to sell ad space. From this standpoint Fox is a brilliantly run entertainment business. They understand their audience very well, and they know how to get them to tune in. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Thats the thing.... as this study and other studies shows fox does a terrible job at educating viewers about news and events. But so what? Their purpose is to make money for shareholders, by generating good ratings which allow them to sell ad space. From this standpoint Fox is a brilliantly run entertainment business. They understand their audience very well, and they know how to get them to tune in. That's because educating viewers is not what Fox,or Newscorp,is all about.They seem to exist to inflame its ideological viewers against "the state".This seems to work with the infantile con libertarian types ,and frankly,the dull witted Tea Party types.This makes them money...Infotainment for right wing kooks who are unable to deal with anything that resembles a countering point of view... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 That's because educating viewers is not what Fox,or Newscorp,is all about.They seem to exist to inflame its ideological viewers against "the state".This seems to work with the infantile con libertarian types ,and frankly,the dull witted Tea Party types.This makes them money...Infotainment for right wing kooks who are unable to deal with anything that resembles a countering point of view... Yup. Well... Nascar fans buy stuff too! Fox just allows its advertisers a way to reach to this particular demographic. Thats smart business. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Yup. Well... Nascar fans buy stuff too! Fox just allows its advertisers a way to reach to this particular demographic. Thats smart business. Interesting that NASCAR,through Speed Channel and Fox,is a Newscorp property.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-less-informed-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009&ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false This should raise some serious red flags about.... A survey form the HUFFPO? Good one cybercoma..I needed a laugh fool. Edited November 26, 2011 by lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Yup. Well... Nascar fans buy stuff too! Fox just allows its advertisers a way to reach to this particular demographic. Thats smart business. For some reason Sun TV can't use the same recipe in Canada WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Thats the thing.... as this study and other studies shows fox does a terrible job at educating viewers about news and events. But so what?I know it's rhetorical, but so what is the question. There an election coming up in the United States and if a good number of voters are getting their information from FOX, what does that mean? In the long-term, what does it mean for political sphere in general? What kind of effect will this have in society? Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I treat Foxnews like the daily mail (UK paper) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I know it's rhetorical, but so what is the question. There an election coming up in the United States and if a good number of voters are getting their information from FOX, what does that mean? In the long-term, what does it mean for political sphere in general? What kind of effect will this have in society? None....the Americans get to pick their leaders regardless of your concern about how "informed" they are. Some don't even vote at all, same as in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 A survey form the HUFFPO? Good one cybercoma..I needed a laugh fool. The survey was done by Fairleigh Dickinson University through PublicMind, not Huffington Post. And if that's not good enough for you, this poll echoes the findings of another study mentioned in the article that was done by the University of Maryland. That study also found that those who watched FOX News were "significantly" misinformed about political issues. So, yeah. Who's the fool? Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 None....the Americans get to pick their leaders regardless of your concern about how "informed" they are. Some don't even vote at all, same as in Canada. If you're going to clutter the forum with your stupid, misinformed posts on Canadian politics, then you can kindly stfu when anyone else posts about US politics. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 If you're going to clutter the forum with your stupid, misinformed posts on Canadian politics, then you can kindly stfu when anyone else posts about US politics. Sorry, that's not my style. Your banal posts add nothing to this forum, regardless of the topic. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Sorry, that's not my style. Your banal posts add nothing to this forum, regardless of the topic. Neither do yours,Miss Saskatchewan... (We'll all await your "so much for being ignored",drivel) Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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