bush_cheney2004 Posted June 30, 2012 Report Posted June 30, 2012 No, they absolutely do misinform their viewers. As does the CBC....here's my favorite false news retraction from Canada's state controlled broadcaster: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17941&view=findpost&p=630683 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2012 Author Report Posted June 30, 2012 No, they absolutely do misinform their viewers. Like I've said, NBC and MSNBC were caught both brutally editing the George Zimmerman 911 tape, and a Mitt Romney speech, completely changing the reality of both instances. That's as worse as it gets in terms of misinformation. And yet still... their viewers are more informed than FOX viewers. Quote
bleeding heart Posted June 30, 2012 Report Posted June 30, 2012 And yet still... their viewers are more informed than FOX viewers. Exactly. It's not that they're not often bad...they're just not as bad. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
dre Posted July 1, 2012 Report Posted July 1, 2012 And yet still... their viewers are more informed than FOX viewers. True but we dont know if Fox is to blame. Maybe fox just targets a demographic that was already stupid? Its news for the bible belt, rural farmers and nascar fans... Are you suggesting that these people were well informed even before fox ever existed? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted July 1, 2012 Author Report Posted July 1, 2012 True but we dont know if Fox is to blame. Maybe fox just targets a demographic that was already stupid? Its news for the bible belt, rural farmers and nascar fans... Are you suggesting that these people were well informed even before fox ever existed? These variables were controlled for in the studies. Quote
dre Posted July 1, 2012 Report Posted July 1, 2012 These variables were controlled for in the studies. Not in the ones I read. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Shakeyhands Posted July 1, 2012 Report Posted July 1, 2012 As does the CBC....here's my favorite false news retraction from Canada's state controlled broadcaster: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17941&view=findpost&p=630683 Phbbt... again? btw, should you really be watching the CBC? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Shakeyhands Posted July 1, 2012 Report Posted July 1, 2012 No, they absolutely do misinform their viewers. Like I've said, NBC and MSNBC were caught both brutally editing the George Zimmerman 911 tape, and a Mitt Romney speech, completely changing the reality of both instances. That's as worse as it gets in terms of misinformation. Hey Shady, Have you got any links to these two stories that were altered? I haven't seen them and would like to read up on them. Thx. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Posted July 1, 2012 Phbbt... again? btw, should you really be watching the CBC? It's the least I can do....with so many Canadians watching American news media that is not state controlled. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
socialist Posted July 2, 2012 Report Posted July 2, 2012 It's the least I can do....with so many Canadians watching American news media that is not state controlled. america was going down the tubes until obama came in. you will be in big trouble again if obama loses. but he will win so america will have a chance unless the republicans prevent obama from doing good things. i will be in the united states close to election time to volunteer for the obama camp. i cant wait. we need an obama up here. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Posted July 2, 2012 america was going down the tubes until obama came in. you will be in big trouble again if obama loses. Yea, but at least I won't have to pay for the CBC. but he will win so america will have a chance unless the republicans prevent obama from doing good things. Sorry, that how the US system of government works. Enjoy the Conservative majority until at least 2015. i will be in the united states close to election time to volunteer for the obama camp. i cant wait. we need an obama up here. Oh great...another American wannabe. Have fun! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 ...that is not state controlled. Just a point of order, CBC is not state controlled. Quote
socialist Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Just a point of order, CBC is not state controlled. The CBC is the heart and soul of canada. without the CBC many canadians would be lost. the cbc represents excellence in broadcasting and their news is by far the best in north america. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Just a point of order, CBC is not state controlled. True, if one ignores the primary funding comes from the "state" or that the CBC board is selected by the "state": http://afewtastefulsnaps.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/fair-to-call-cbc-state-broadcaster/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 True, if one ignores the primary funding comes from the "state" or that the CBC board is selected by the "state": http://afewtastefulsnaps.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/fair-to-call-cbc-state-broadcaster/ You are correct who appoints the Chair and Board, however not a 'but' position. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 You are correct who appoints the Chair and Board, however not a 'but' position. Hey, it's no surprise that Canada's state broadcaster is controlled by the state. One follows the other. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing, but it is a fact. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 but it is a fact. Not a fact at all. Not even partially. And you know it. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Not a fact at all. Not even partially. It is a fact that the CBC is Canada's state broadcaster. Reflecting the same narrative about financing, control, bias, and purpose of any other broadcast media entity, one must conclude that the "state controlled" shoe fits. And you know it. I only know that it pains you to confront such an obvious relationship. Don't worry, Her Majesty approves. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Not a fact at all. Not even partially. And you know it. It's got to be at least partially; the state funds it and the state controls who runs it. When more funds are needed, the funds come from the government. The board and senior executive are appointed by the PM and his cabinet. You don't think that amounts to 'controlled by the state?' Certainly it's run by the state. Quote
BubberMiley Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Certainly it's run by the state. Funny how the CPC still feels it is biased against it then, isn't it? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) ....The board and senior executive are appointed by the PM and his cabinet. You don't think that amounts to 'controlled by the state?' Certainly it's run by the state. 'Zactly...why does the narrative of "right wing control" through ownership and financing apply only to "Faux News" and other media outlets but not the CBC? Methinks some bristle at the pejorative term "state controlled" as it historicaly has been associated with other government controlled media (e.g. Soviet Union's TASS), but the definition still holds for the CBC. Edited July 4, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Oh great...another American wannabe. Have fun! I don't understand the desire to be involved in another country's election. Can you imagine "Americans for Harper?" Quote
Shakeyhands Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 I don't understand the desire to be involved in another country's election. Can you imagine "Americans for Harper?" There does seem to be influence and involvement AW, from rather well funded and larger groups at that! Linky Linky 2 Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
cybercoma Posted July 4, 2012 Author Report Posted July 4, 2012 I don't understand the desire to be involved in another country's election. Can you imagine "Americans for Harper?" Oh shut up, both of you. You post on a Canadian politics forum for crying out loud. Quit your ridiculous trolling. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 There does seem to be influence and involvement AW, from rather well funded and larger groups at that! Linky Linky 2 As some readers are doubtless aware, the last few weeks have seen a still ongoing kerfuffle over allegations that two employees of the US-based campaign consulting firm Front Porch Strategies.... That's actually a bit different. "Front Door Strategies," according to its website, "provides services to businesses, organized labor groups," etc. and that would include, evidently, politicians/political campaigns. So it sounds as if they were there because they were on a job. U.S. directors from Front Porch Strategies worked “in the trenches” for Tory candidates in 2011,....[...]In at least two Conservative-won ridings with reported election irregularities, Front Porch Strategies had US staff on the ground.... So it's two people - and they have a "Canadian liaison." It's not the same. If you can show me a group of Americans, not a business, similar to Canadians for Obama, I would be truly interested. I'm not saying there is no such group, but Google "Canadians for Obama" and there are a lot of results. Quote
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