eyeball Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) I'm re-reading 'Understanding Media' by McLuhan again, so everything calls me back to his theories. It may be that the idea of public life is dead. The electronic environment is increasingly consuming all types of media, and all types of interaction. We may have to get used to the idea of seeing our politicians are more human. That's a scary idea, because on a certain level they are not like us: they are more ambitious, strategic - maybe Machiavellian. That's not a bad thing, but politicians have been sold to us as being similar to us, so this will be a kind of shock... We'll get over it the more we're exposed to it. You can bet Stephan Harper picks his nose too - like anyone else he is only human. Another way to look at this phenomenon of greater intimacy with our leaders is that the electronic environment is restoring an aspect of the natural state we evolved in. Throughout most of our history we've lived in small groups in which our leader's natures and peccadilloes would be as clear as day for everyone to see and discuss. Edited November 18, 2011 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
The_Squid Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 Actually as it turns out Pats controversy is opening up the discussion as to "why" he feels frustrated with this conservative government. Whats wrong with that? Should he appologize for creating interest? WWWTT Nothing wrong with that.... but there is no reason for an MP to be vulgar about it. There is still a certain decorum that we should expect MP's to live up to. He's not a logger working out in the woods... It's not a big deal, but it was a small mistake. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 It's really about wanting to tie up Parliament to prevent discussion on the crime bill, gun registry, Canadian Wheat Board and Article 13 of the HR code. It's really about wanting to tie up Parliament to prevent discussion by extending discussion. Quote
wyly Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 Nothing wrong with that.... but there is no reason for an MP to be vulgar about it. There is still a certain decorum that we should expect MP's to live up to. He's not a logger working out in the woods... It's not a big deal, but it was a small mistake. context is all important...where he said it..who he said it to...why he said it etc...no big deal in this case ive done worse... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
olp1fan Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 Nothing wrong with that.... but there is no reason for an MP to be vulgar about it. There is still a certain decorum that we should expect MP's to live up to. He's not a logger working out in the woods... It's not a big deal, but it was a small mistake. oh get real nancy, we are in the year 2011 not Mayberry 1960 Quote
g_bambino Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) oh get real nancy, we are in the year 2011 not Mayberry 1960 Yes, civility and the art of expression are so passe. Nice to see you've, er, "mastered" the modern trend in interpersonal communications. [c/e] Edited November 18, 2011 by g_bambino Quote
madmax Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 It's pretty obvious that the NDP, are a party only for city folk! The CPC and the NDP share Rural dominance... More Blue then Orange, however the NDP is not just the Party of "City Folk". Infact it is more Rural then Urban. The CPC is the Party of City Folk (unlike their Ontario Provincial Cousins) more then the NDP.... and the LPC... its just that the Cities and NFLD are pretty much all the LPC have left. And in your Province of Ontario, the same is true again. The NDP and PCs share Rural dominance http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ontariovotes2011/ Only that in Ontario, the PCs STUNK in the CITIES, and whereas the Strength of the LPC in Cities helped maintain their dominance of seats. Quote
Battletoads Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 How dare he speak the truth. Questioning a duly elected government with a strong, 39%, mandate. Why this ought to be considered treason. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
g_bambino Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 How dare he speak the truth. The content of his message is not at issue. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 Yes, civility and the art of expression are so passe. Nice to see you've, er, "mastered" the modern trend in interpersonal communications. [c/e] Not everyone subscribes to your "values". I've heard worse things come out of the mouths of children on playgrounds. It's not like he got up on the floor of the Commons and said it. Quote
grogy Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 How dare he speak the truth. Questioning a duly elected government with a strong, 39%, mandate. Why this ought to be considered treason. This 39 percent things is really tired, not to mention pathetic. I know you dont care about facts, but please tell us when was the last time we had a 50 percent majority..give it up already. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 This 39 percent things is really tired, not to mention pathetic. I know you dont care about facts, but please tell us when was the last time we had a 50 percent majority..give it up already. Kinda supports his point, no? Quote
Argus Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 Bottom line? The US federal politicians debate their budget far more than our federal politicians do, and they generally have bigger deficits. OTOH, they generally buy less than ours. The US budget is far more complex than ours. It's a hugely complicated task to get a budget past often competing interests, even if they're in the same party, and dozens of bribes have to be offered to a variety of interest groups and politicians in order to garner sufficient votes. It's messy, and it's grossly inefficient and expensive. The amount of pork added each year seems to grow exponentially. Then, too, it requires approval from the president, from the senate, and from the congress. Essentially, ours only requires approval from parliament. Since it comes from the PM he's presumed to approve, and of course, the senate is just a rubber stamp. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 Essentially, ours only requires approval from parliament. Since it comes from the PM he's presumed to approve, and of course, the senate is just a rubber stamp. Well, it isn't when the government has just switched hands, and most Senators are from the other party. Quote
Evening Star Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) This 39 percent things is really tired, not to mention pathetic. I know you dont care about facts, but please tell us when was the last time we had a 50 percent majority..give it up already. 1984, if you actually want to know. Provincially, the most recent election in Saskatchewan from this month. Edited November 18, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
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