Canuckistani Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Guess we could take a poll of Canadian Natives and ask which fate they would have preferred. My guess is they're not as noble as the American Natives apparently are. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Guess we could take a poll of Canadian Natives and ask which fate they would have preferred. My guess is they're not as noble as the American Natives apparently are. More "Canadian Natives" join the American armed forces than vice-versa (Jay Treaty)...because they want to. Poll that. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Canuckistani Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 More "Canadian Natives" join the American armed forces than vice-versa (Jay Treaty)...because they want to. Poll that. Eh? Quote
kimmy Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Posted July 21, 2012 I'm confused as to why you're obsessed with the influence of religion in the U.S., every incident, whether it be just one pastor in a country of 300+ million, when you don't live here. Really. If you keep telling yourself that it's just one pastor, maybe you'll start to believe it after a while. Canadians are getting enough religious influence at the expense of the state that I would think that would be what you are disgusted by. Again. Your head of state can't be a Catholic or even married to a Catholic; but at least your Catholic population is learning about that "desert dumbass" that you speak of - at the expense of the state. It's a hereditary monarchy. It's not really an "equal opportunity" position in the first place. You guys have a constitution that's better than ours in many respects, which makes it especially disheartening to see some of your countrymen working so hard to undermine it. I'm sure the Catholic church - even in Canada - is teaching it as more than a philosophy. I understand that any school receiving public funding isn't supposed to teach it in science class, but I'm sure a Catholic school and the parents sending their kids to a Catholic school put the most focus on what religion class teaches. To say creationism isn't being taught in Canadian schools at the expense of the state is just a matter of semantics - doesn't change what's happening. Canuckistani and cybercoma already addressed this, but Canada's Catholic schools teach science in science class and religion in religion class. And that shouldn't be a surprise, because the Catholic Church itself has been onboard with science, including evolution, for a long time. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Posted July 21, 2012 Probably. I don't know why people get so bent of out shape about creationism. It's usually taught as a philosophy, amoung other philosophies. The schools in question are going to be teaching it in science class. You didn't actually read that far, did you. the vapors the vapors Where'd you pick this up? Did you attend a seminar or something? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
wyly Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Canuckistani and cybercoma already addressed this, but Canada's Catholic schools teach science in science class and religion in religion class. And that shouldn't be a surprise, because the Catholic Church itself has been onboard with science, including evolution, for a long time. -k yup, catholic church is quite progressive in comparison to evangelical/christian schools...my catholic friends are all onside with Darwinian evolution and it fits in with their beliefs... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bleeding heart Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) Agreed. The "there are Catholic schools in Canada" riposte is a false argument, because Catholicism eschews Creationism, at least as it argued as literal by other religious knuckledraggers. Edited July 22, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest American Woman Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Canuckistani and cybercoma already addressed this, but Canada's Catholic schools teach science in science class and religion in religion class. And that shouldn't be a surprise, because the Catholic Church itself has been onboard with science, including evolution, for a long time. And I already addressed that, didn't I? Whether it's being taught in religious class or science class, it is being taught - at the taxpayers' expense - and kids are learning it. The name of the class doesn't change the material being taught. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) And I already addressed that, didn't I? Whether it's being taught in religious class or science class, it is being taught - at the taxpayers' expense - and kids are learning it. The name of the class doesn't change the material being taught. I went to Catholic school. They never taught creationism, as anything other than an allegorical story in the Bible. Edited July 23, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
GostHacked Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 And I already addressed that, didn't I? Whether it's being taught in religious class or science class, it is being taught - at the taxpayers' expense - and kids are learning it. The name of the class doesn't change the material being taught. The problem is teaching religion/creationism AS science is what most have an issue with. Teaching religion in religion class works for me. So yes the name of the class does matter as the name should reflect the subject matter. Creationism should not be taught as science in science class. Quote
jbg Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Yes...and since I don't believe in killing seals, it is quite backward. I remember my school project was fighting the seal slaughter in Saskatchewan. I didn't know at the time that Alberta was even more savage. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bleeding heart Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 The problem is teaching religion/creationism AS science is what most have an issue with. Teaching religion in religion class works for me. So yes the name of the class does matter as the name should reflect the subject matter. Creationism should not be taught as science in science class. Oh, for Christ's sake; you wouldn't have to tell anyone else this elementary fact. Her arguments are becoming increasingly ridiculous. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Canuckistani Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Oh, for Christ's sake; you wouldn't have to tell anyone else this elementary fact. Her arguments are becoming increasingly ridiculous. Funny, we allow state funding of religious schools, yet we don't have enough nutbars that want to turn Canada into a theocracy to make an impact. Unlike the US, which I gather does not allow funding of religious schools by the state, but does allow fundie school boards to have religion taught as science. I'll take Canada on this issue. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Oh, for Christ's sake; you wouldn't have to tell anyone else this elementary fact. Her arguments are becoming increasingly ridiculous. Actually you DO have to tell someone that fact. And who's arguments are getting ridiculous? If you are going to say Kimmy, then we are not reading the same posts. Quote
The_Squid Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Actually you DO have to tell someone that fact. And who's arguments are getting ridiculous? If you are going to say Kimmy, then we are not reading the same posts. I think he means AW.... Quote
bleeding heart Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Actually you DO have to tell someone that fact. What I meant was that you were so obviously correct, that it is silly that it has to be pointed out. But yes, obviously it does, you're right. And who's arguments are getting ridiculous? If you are going to say Kimmy, then we are not reading the same posts. No, not Kimmy, who is one of my favourite posters here. I was talking about American Woman. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
GostHacked Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 What I meant was that you were so obviously correct, that it is silly that it has to be pointed out. But yes, obviously it does, you're right. No, not Kimmy, who is one of my favourite posters here. I was talking about American Woman. Hey, I did not just want to assume something! You know how that always pans out here! Glad we are on the same page. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Funny, we allow state funding of religious schools, yet we don't have enough nutbars that want to turn Canada into a theocracy to make an impact. You're a small country - yet you have enough to make such things a political issue. Unlike the US, which I gather does not allow funding of religious schools by the state, but does allow fundie school boards to have religion taught as science. Why would the government tell privately run schools what they can or cannot teach? Creationism just can't be taught as a science in Catholic schools funded by the state in Canada. But again, what difference does it make if it's being taught in science or religion class? It's being taught - the beliefs of the Catholic church are being taught at the taxpayer's expense. I'll take Canada on this issue. Good for you since that's where you live. Quote
BubberMiley Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 But again, what difference does it make if it's being taught in science or religion class? It's being taught - the beliefs of the Catholic church are being taught at the taxpayer's expense. Because, as has been said repeatedly, most don't have a problem with learning religious beliefs if that's the context where they are learned. They only have a problem when these beliefs being passed off as science. You really can't see the difference, or are you just trying to save face by being obtuse? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 ....It's being taught - the beliefs of the Catholic church are being taught at the taxpayer's expense. Precisely...not only is it government funded, but it is funding not available to other religions. "Oh well, it's just part of our Constitution Act and would be very hard to change and nobody seems to mind very much and besides it's more important to worry about those wacko American creationists because God gave them The Bomb, and they will sure as hell use it to bring the Second Coming of Christ". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 what difference does it make if [Creationism is] being taught in science or religion class?What difference does it make if kids learn about unicorns in literature class or biology class? Quote
msj Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 What difference does it make if kids learn about unicorns in literature class or biology class? Well played, CC, well played. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Guest American Woman Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Well played, CC, well played. Only to those who equate belief in unicorns to Catholics' religious beliefs. Quote
msj Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Only to those who equate belief in unicorns to Catholics' religious beliefs. Still playing the obtuse card, I see. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Guest American Woman Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 Precisely...not only is it government funded, but it is funding not available to other religions. Yep - And it definitely has been a political issue and an election issue."Oh well, it's just part of our Constitution Act and would be very hard to change and nobody seems to mind very much and besides it's more important to worry about those wacko American creationists because God gave them The Bomb, and they will sure as hell use it to bring the Second Coming of Christ". That about sums it up. Quote
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