Canada at war with Iran

[WWWTT]

Yes and yes. But to go on as though war between Canada and Iran is right around the corner is ludicrous. There isn't even a definite sign Israel is going to make any kind of attack on Iranian nuclear facilities. They might, they might not. War might follow that, it might not. Does the current government support Israel to the point of participating alongside in the country's wars? If yes, what does that participation entail, exactly?

Too many unknowns to start lamenting Canada's march into conflict.

I actually agree with you!

I would point out to the last G20 tape of Obama and the French prez.

Netanyahu is somewhat being isolated as a radical.

I also point out to the arab spring in many countries.A conflict with Iran can put many things into jepordy.Too many unknows.

And then there is China and Russia and the surrounding islamic oil/mineral rich former states of USSR that actually border China.

Way too many unknowns and risk.

And for what?Isreal has a fear?

WWWTT

[Wild Bill]

I also point out to the arab spring in many countries.A conflict with Iran can put many things into jepordy.Too many unknows.

And for what?Isreal has a fear?

WWWTT

Israel has a valid fear! It's not as if some Arab country hasn't invaded her before, more than once! It's not as if Hamas lobbing rockets into residential areas isn't a daily occurrence, along with bombs in buses and supermarkets.

It's easy for YOU, living here, to make light of Israel's fears! Chances are really good that you are never going to have to go down to a morgue to see if one of some bodies from a terrorist act belong to your son or daughter! You don't intend to be callous, I'm sure, but your lack of empathy shows very strongly much of the time!

However, I would agree with you about the potential for the 'Arab spring'. It's to early to tell if it will be hijacked by the radical, primitive fundamentalists but it clearly shows a widespread desire for peace, security and modern freedoms amongst the general populace of the Arab middle east. The mullahs are obviously shaking in their boots, as witness how the reactions of governments like that of Syria are getting more and more harsh and cruel.

I don't really have a lot of confidence that the Arab spring will win out, at least in the majority of those countries showing upheavals and public protests right now but there is a true chance for at least a few of them.

If it happens in Iran and the ayatollahs are deposed in favour of a more modern and progressive government it would change everything! Overnight we would see the chance of an Israeli strike morph into tourism and commerce between the two countries!

It would stop the religious barbarians in their tracks! Perhaps that would be a more dangerous situation, come to think of it. Barbarian wingnuts would do anything to keep power...

[William Ashley]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/14/israel-mossad-iran-blast?CMP=NECNETTXT8187

[dlkenny]

Canada should stay out of this until it involves other countries but if we should get involved I'd rather be on the winning side.. meaning the West

but I'd rather we not get involved in anymore Muslim, Jewish bullshit

I couldn't agree more. These supposed wars for democracy are little more than wars over religion, power, and oil. Until the day Iran starts to lob rockets and ICBMs at Canada and its allies I think we should just stay out of it.

Edited November 15, 2011 by dlkenny

[WWWTT]

Israel has a valid fear! It's not as if some Arab country hasn't invaded her before, more than once! It's not as if Hamas lobbing rockets into residential areas isn't a daily occurrence, along with bombs in buses and supermarkets.

It's easy for YOU, living here, to make light of Israel's fears! Chances are really good that you are never going to have to go down to a morgue to see if one of some bodies from a terrorist act belong to your son or daughter! You don't intend to be callous, I'm sure, but your lack of empathy shows very strongly much of the time!

This is a little harsh Wild!

Actually you would be better off being an Isreali as opposed to a Palistinian if you wanted a better chance at living and quality of life.

I can use the same tactic on you from the Palistinian perspective so why go there?

But I am glad that there is something we can agree on!

WWWTT

[Wilber]

I couldn't agree more. These supposed wars for democracy are little more than wars over religion, power, and oil. Until the day Iran starts to lob rockets and ICBMs at Canada and its allies I think we should just stay out of it.

Except that Israel is the only real democracy in the region.

[William Ashley]

Except that Israel is the only real democracy in the region.

lol

the only real democracy for jews

sorry for zionists not all jews get their man.woman in.

Edited November 15, 2011 by William Ashley

[William Ashley]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Suspicion+falls+Israel+computer+supervirus+hits+Iran/5708814/story.html

sound familiar

William Hague, the British Foreign Secretary, said that Britain was not yet "calling for, or advocating, military action", but added: "At the same time, we are saying that all options are on the table."

Edited November 16, 2011 by William Ashley

[Guest Derek L]

By saying this you do realise that if Mossad's involvement happens to be true and they did attack that would be an act of provocation. Right?

Sure, call it whatever you wish.

[Guest Derek L]

So does this comment mean that you agree?

Ot maybe I caught you off guard?

Either way good for you,this country needs more people like you!

WWWTT

Agree about what? Environmental concerns? If so, you bet I do.

[blueblood]

Agree about what? Environmental concerns? If so, you bet I do.

And so do the oil companies, they don't want to take a bath like BP did last summer.

[dre]

Except that Israel is the only real democracy in the region.

Thats highly arguable. First of all they control demographics to ensure a jewish majority. Thats high undemocratic. Second of all they a couple of million people under their control are neither allowed to vote in Israeli elections, or form a state of their own.

Heres a quote from Netenyahu...

First of all, it is necessary to assure a Jewish majority in Israel.

When your stated goal is demographic engineering based on ethnicity, it becomes pretty hard to tout your democratic principles. Demographic engineering to achieve a desired political outcomes is completely undemocratic.

Edited November 16, 2011 by dre

[Wilber]

Thats highly arguable. First of all they control demographics to ensure a jewish majority. Thats high undemocratic. Second of all they a couple of million people under their control are neither allowed to vote in Israeli elections, or form a state of their own.

And yet Israel is not run by an autocrat and there are Arabs in the Knesset. How many Jews in the legislatures of Israel's neighbours?

[bush_cheney2004]

When your stated goal is demographic engineering based on ethnicity, it becomes pretty hard to tout your democratic principles. Demographic engineering to achieve a desired political outcomes is completely undemocratic.

Really? Please don't tell Quebec.

[dre]

And yet Israel is not run by an autocrat and there are Arabs in the Knesset. How many Jews in the legislatures of Israel's neighbours?

Thats a fair point, but youre setting the bar pretty low, and I notice you didnt seem to down with arguing my point that ethnic and religious demographic engineering is pretty much the opposite of democracy.

[wyly]

Except that Israel is the only real democracy in the region.

real democracy ? that title would go to turkey...israel is no democracy, democracies don't practice apartheid... Edited November 16, 2011 by wyly

[wyly]

And yet Israel is not run by an autocrat and there are Arabs in the Knesset. How many Jews in the legislatures of Israel's neighbours?

palestinians in the kneset, only because they never manged to drive the last palestinians from their homes, but it wasn't for the lack of trying...

[Bonam]

demographic engineering is pretty much the opposite of democracy.

Please do elaborate.

Where exactly in the definition of democracy does it state that a democratic state must allow its demographics to change unrestrictedly, and contrary to the wishes of its people?

Your statement is no more objectively true than people who say that a monarchy is pretty much the opposite of democracy. And yet nations like Canada clearly put the lie to that.

[dre]

Please do elaborate.

Where exactly in the definition of democracy does it state that a democratic state must allow its demographics to change unrestrictedly, and contrary to the wishes of its people?

Your statement is no more objectively true than people who say that a monarchy is pretty much the opposite of democracy. And yet nations like Canada clearly put the lie to that.

Pretty simple concept really. If red and blue were the two primary viewpoints in your country you could rig the system in favor of the blues by not letting reds vote. But you could also rig the system by taking steps to ensure theres always more blues than reds.

[DogOnPorch]

Pretty simple concept really. If red and blue were the two primary viewpoints in your country you could rig the system in favor of the blues by not letting reds vote. But you could also rig the system by taking steps to ensure theres always more blues than reds.

So which Israeli citizens aren't allowed to vote again?

[g_bambino]

Second of all they a couple of million people under their control are neither allowed to vote in Israeli elections, or form a state of their own.

There are no ethnic parameters, but there are millions of people in Canada ineligible to vote: children, permanent residents, and refugees. I don't think that automatically classifies Canada as a totalitarian or some other kind of undemocratic state. No democracy is perfect; so, Israel, despite certainly not being the best of them, is still one of the democracies.

[Wilber]

real democracy ? that title would go to turkey...israel is no democracy, democracies don't practice apartheid...

Really? See Kurds.

[Tilter]

There are no ethnic parameters, but there are millions of people in Canada ineligible to vote: children, permanent residents, and refugees. I don't think that automatically classifies Canada as a totalitarian or some other kind of undemocratic state. No democracy is perfect; so, Israel, despite certainly not being the best of them, is still one of the democracies.

Edited November 16, 2011 by Tilter

[blueblood]

Really? Please don't tell Quebec.

Zing!!!

[William Ashley]

Except that Israel is the only real democracy in the region.

...

even arabs can be in the elections

arab= culture

jew= religion

it doesn't matter how many arabs there are if they arn't muslims

druze are allowed not muslims

so much for democracy when you pack the 4 million muslims into a box and won't let them in for a vote on fair grounds rather than recognizing their society as a jewish religious state when their religion isn't jewish.You are utterly ignorant of the fact they bombed and bulldozed out millions of palestinians to gain their as you state democracy you ignorant ----

you are also ignoring the fact ben guiron was a terrorist

so much for democracy when you jail the majority take their land and inprison them.

you are totally out of touch with the real world

would you run on the terms that canada was a muslim state under sharia law? muslims would need to run saying their country is jewish it is a religious state,

accept the fact the jews invaded palestine or you are a denier of the palistian holocost

are people already forgetting the 1948 invasionof palestine by the jews?, the invasion of lebanon the seige of beirut etc...

it isn't jewish land it is occupied arab land, the british stole it from the arabs and if you go back what you discover is that the jews invaded as a minority, forced people off their land.

the jews left willingly during the diaspora

it was illegal occupation like the illegal settlements and closing in of the ghetto walls in gaza that contimues the illegal and unethical activities of the jewish state.

it is not democracy it is occupation disenfranchisement and loss of human rights to political enfranchisement in a non segregated and a society that offers seperation of church and state. there is no religious freedom in israel there is no enfranchisement in a religiously unbiased government.

human rights don't exist there and it is most certainly not a free democracy it is religious aparthied

you are vile to say israel is a democracy it couldn't be further from the truth it is a zionist state absent of universal huma rights, one that jails peace loving people,

supporting the jews or israel is one thing lieing is a sin

it is a

Edited November 19, 2011 by William Ashley