Perimeter security reached

[Topaz]

So now we almost have an reached an agreement, it still has to be signed but one BILLION $$$ is a lot of money to do what? The government says its going to get the money from the cuts but then those cuts were happening because of the over spending of the government. I think they are going to have print more rather than cut. The Windsor-Detroit bridge is still not clear. Yet, this government is pushing for it but the owner of the Ambassador and others on the US side say that traffic is down on the bridge and even with Canada paying the 500 mil and the total cost being 2.5 BILLION, there won't be even money coming back for operating the new bridge, let alone, Canada to get paid back by tolls. This government spending is like a teen with their parents credit card! Also, we know now why the government is pushing for the new jets, more money spending on operations flying around North America for what? 9+ Billion? Another point, what happens when they spend all this money and we go into another recession or even a depression because Europe is in big trouble and the US isn't much better and it will come back on us too. http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/1266701.html

[ToadBrother]

If it eases cross-border activities even a bit, it's worth it.

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[August1991]

If it eases cross-border activities even a bit, it's worth it.

I agree.

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Two basic facts:

1. Americans face various threats from around the world.

2. Canada and America have a long, undefendable border.

Conclusion:

Whether Canadians/Americans like it or not, northern North America faces various threats and the border is meaningless.

In terms of foreign threats to the territory, Canada and the US are the same thing. America is wasting resources protecting the 49th parallel, its border with Canada. Then again, America is fortunate to have such a civilized northern neighbour.

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We need a 21st century version of NORAD.

Edited October 5, 2011 by August1991

[bush_cheney2004]

...America is fortunate to have such a civilized northern neighbour.

Yes, except for Millennium Bombers, drug tunnels, mismanaged pandemics (SARS), Nanticoke choke, and tainted pet food.

[August1991]

Yes, except for Millennium Bombers, drug tunnels, mismanaged pandemics (SARS), Nanticoke choke, and tainted pet food.

... and all those terrorists who came from Toronto.

BC, considering 9/11, I'd be more concerned with the Saudi/American "border".

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And BC, here's my point to you, and other Americans.

Alone, America cannot control who crosses the US/Canada border.

With the help of the Canadian government, the American government can possibly control who enters northern North America.

Edited October 5, 2011 by August1991

[Sir Bandelot]

I'm all for it if it helps to give a clear distinction separating the two. IE. NOT, North American Union.

[fellowtraveller]

Yes, except for Millennium Bombers, drug tunnels, mismanaged pandemics (SARS), Nanticoke choke, and tainted pet food.

You have overlooked thousands of angry, rabid Vancouverites crazed by hockey loss and fuelled with beer.

You did know that Vancouver is only half an hour from Blaine, WA?

Seattle should be afraid, very afraid.

[Army Guy]

You have overlooked thousands of angry, rabid Vancouverites crazed by hockey loss and fuelled with beer.

You did know that Vancouver is only half an hour from Blaine, WA?

Seattle should be afraid, very afraid.

Shit, nothing scares a tree hugger any more than a good Chain saw....All the cops had to do was start up a Chain saw and 3/4 of them Vancoverites would have shit thier pants and ran for cover...just like squirels...Seattle load up on Chainsaws and you'll be fine...tree huggers

[August1991]

I'm all for it if it helps to give a clear distinction separating the two. IE. NOT, North American Union.

I agree.

Canada is Canada, and the US is the US.

But when Canadians and Americans cross our long, common border, it's obvious that we mean no harm. We should cross easily.

Really? Is someone from California anymore dangerous than someone from Ontario, or Nevada?

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Canada/US border? Maybe Homeland Security should start checking people driving between California and Nevada. Maybe the US should have security checks when people cross state lines.

After all, a terrorist could land in Seattle but then drive to Las Vegas, or New York. The 9/11 terrorists lived in Florida, but used New York and Boston as their base for attack. Maybe the US should put a perimeter around Florida and check anyong leaving.

Edited October 5, 2011 by August1991

[bush_cheney2004]

With the help of the Canadian government, the American government can possibly control who enters northern North America.

No, the domain is too large to be absolutely controlled by any government. Resources have to deployed to mitigate the greatest probable threat. Perhaps the greatest barrier could be Christian music piped over loudspeakers at the border.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Canada/US border? Maybe Homeland Security should start checking people driving between California and Nevada. Maybe the US should have security checks when people cross state lines.

Such checkpoints already exists between Nevada, Arizon, and California...mostly for agricultural screening.

[fellowtraveller]

Europe has numerous common border protocols in numerous countries, all intended to make all member countries more secure.

Doing the same thing in North America is long overdue and makes plenty of sense. It also will serve to make trade and travel between the two countries easier and most importantly, more profitable.

[August1991]

Such checkpoints already exists between Nevada, Arizon, and California...mostly for agricultural screening.

Have you recently crossed the Nevada/Arizona border, or the Quebec/NY border?

No, the domain is too large to be absolutely controlled by any government. Resources have to deployed to mitigate the greatest probable threat.

[sarcasm/]And checking ordinary Canadians at Rock Island or Derby Line is a better use of "resources"?

BC, in this case, you seem to me like a typical American: Clueless about the world.

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For "security reasons", the US federal government can now check people when they cross the US/Canada border.

Next, the bureaucrats will check people when they cross the California/Nevada border by car - for "security reasons".

BC, if you fly from Toronto to NY, are you checked? How about if you fly from LA to Las Vegas?

Edited October 5, 2011 by August1991

[August1991]

Europe has numerous common border protocols in numerous countries, all intended to make all member countries more secure.

The Schengen agreement was an admirable attempt to remove barriers, checks.

I fear that it will be short lived.

[GostHacked]

BC, if you fly from Toronto to NY, are you checked? How about if you fly from LA to Las Vegas?

When going into the US, you are checked. Even within the US you are checked.

On my flight a couple weeks ago to Halifax (then back to Ottawa), in each airport there were body scanners, but were only for those going to the USA. But I flying within Canada, a simple check with the wand, and metal detector and no pat down.

[bush_cheney2004]

Have you recently crossed the Nevada/Arizona border, or the Quebec/NY border?

Yes...what's the big deal? I got nothing to hide.

[sarcasm/]And checking ordinary Canadians at Rock Island or Derby Line is a better use of "resources"?

BC, in this case, you seem to me like a typical American: Clueless about the world.

WTF...you asked a question and I answered it. Now you want to bitch about that? Are you a typical smug Canadian world traveler who thinks they have seen everything?

For "security reasons", the US federal government can now check people when they cross the US/Canada border.

Next, the bureaucrats will check people when they cross the California/Nevada border by car - for "security reasons".

Big frickin' deal...here has been a checkpoint on I-15 when entering California for decades. They are looking for transported fruits and nuts like you.

BC, if you fly from Toronto to NY, are you checked? How about if you fly from LA to Las Vegas?

Standard TSA rules apply....strip naked and bend over.

[fellowtraveller]

The Schengen agreement was an admirable attempt to remove barriers, checks.

I fear that it will be short lived.

It has been 26 years since the agreement, and 21 since implementation.

Do you see the collapse of the Eurozone soon?

[ToadBrother]

The Schengen agreement was an admirable attempt to remove barriers, checks.

I fear that it will be short lived.

Whatever happens to the Eurozone, the one thing I cannot ever see is the customs union being tossed out the door.

[August1991]

It has been 26 years since the agreement, and 21 since implementation.

26 years?

Random report:

Denmark, part of the Schengen border-free zone, has deployed extra customs officers on its frontiers in a move causing concern among EU neighbours.

BBC 2011

(Imagine Quebec deploying "extra" customs officers on its borders with Ontario, or California with its Nevada border.)

Do you see the collapse of the Eurozone soon?

The Eurozone is not the same as the Schengen zone. Edited October 5, 2011 by August1991

[Smallc]

(Imagine Quebec deploying "extra" customs officers on its borders with Ontario, or California with its Nevada border.)

You do understand the difference between a country and a province/state, right?

[August1991]

Yes...what's the big deal? I got nothing to hide.

Nothing to hide?

Standard TSA rules apply....strip naked and bend over.

And according to you, in 2026, to enter the local mall, we'll have to strip naked and bend over too - and we'll happily expose ourselves to the State since we'll have "nothing to hide".

Strip naked?

BC, since you have "nothing to hide", why not have a central State registry of all people who have "nothing to hide". This would make it easier for honest people to know one another, and malls to decide who to let enter. No need to strip, they could simply check your record.

It would be like the Better Business Bureau, or a Credit Record.

Edited October 5, 2011 by August1991

[August1991]

You do understand the difference between a country and a province/state, right?

I do. Smallc, what about you? Edited October 5, 2011 by August1991

[bush_cheney2004]

Nothing to hide?

Nope...just the usual male bits.

And according to you, in 2026, to enter the local mall, we'll have to strip naked and bend over too - and we'll happily expose ourselves to the State since we'll have "nothing to hide".

Yes...to go with your fear of FEMA death trains. As for the "State", unless you are/were Ted Kaczynski, you already depend on it.

Strip naked?

Of course...by a scanner...silly!

BC, since you have "nothing to hide", why not have a central State registry of all people who have "nothing to hide". This would make it easier for honest people to know one another, and malls to decide who to let enter. No need to strip, they could simply check your record.

We already have that by retina scan. Welcome to the Brave New World.

Edited October 5, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[olp1fan]

obama doesn't want a photo op cause he doesn't want the mainstream americans to report it

which means something sneaky is going on here

[fellowtraveller]

26 years?

Yep. It took several years to implement. The old border facilites still stand on some borders, they look like artifacts now.