Ontario employees sent memo about "sensitivity" to Muslims.

[Guest American Woman]

Is there any evidence whatsoever that anyone was forced to change any behaviours here? All we have a memo advising management to be aware that certain employees may need to be accommodated and some suggestions for how that can be done.

As per the scenario in the post you were responding to: managers were advised to "change lunch meetings to standard meetings where no food or drinks are served." As I pointed out, and you chose to ignore, no such "food and drink" changes re: kosher/allowed foods are made during Passover.

(This is where you ignore what was said and call everyone who doesn't see eye-to-eye with you "loons" again.... )

[Michael Hardner]

False choice.

Did you see the three letters at the end of my post?

[Bob]

Would you care to enlighten us about how Bob's comments are against the rules? I just checked the rules, you see, and there's nothing in them about objecting, in an admittedly politically incorrect fashion, to things like the body odor of Muslim women in burquas or or men washing their feet or whatnot. Just because you find the comment objectionable that does not make it against forum rules.

In fact, I see nothing in the rules about making racist statements. So even if one can interpret Bob's words as being racist or bigoted that is not, as far as I can see, against the rules either. If I'm wrong, please show me the particular clause.

Furthermore, you've completely ignored a number of insults directed at Bob, notably by BD and Rick. Why is that? These are fairly clear violations of forum rules.

Don't worry, Scotty, I expect this kind of hypocritical crap from Michael Hardner and much of the MLW regulars. I don't need a lawyer in here.

[Shady]

As I said, we do it for Christians too

Complete nonsense. In fact, it's the opposite. During Christmas, we're told not to actually not say Merry Christmas to anyone, because it might be offensive, so Happy Holidays must be used instead. Christmas trees are now referred to as Holiday trees, and Christmas cards are referred to as Holiday cards. And God forbid somebody puts up a nativity scene!

People get serious cases of the vapours!

[Shady]

Did you see the three letters at the end of my post?

Yep, and you're opinion presents a false choice. Why can't I point that out? Just because it's your opinion? Come'on man, stop being ridiculous.

[Bob]

Complete nonsense. In fact, it's the opposite. During Christmas, we're told not to actually not say Merry Christmas to anyone, because it might be offensive, so Happy Holidays must be used instead. Christmas trees are now referred to as Holiday trees, and Christmas cards are referred to as Holiday cards. And God forbid somebody puts up a nativity scene!

People get serious cases of the vapours!

Remember - Christianity = bad, and Islam = good. Christians = evil white male oppressors, and Muslims = peaceful brown oppressed children.

[Black Dog]

Yeah, how strange it is for someone with dual citizenship to have an opinion on something and be unapologetically patriotic towards both countries.

Um, actually, you're only unapologetically patriotic towards one country and have nothing but contempt for the one in which you live.

"Furthering the interests of a foreign power", sounds like bullshit from Ford's The International Jew.

You wish, don't you.

It reveals a lot about yourself that a Canadian asserting the superiority of Canadian society over inferior societies and cultures is described by you as "racist" and "bigoted". Remember, Islamism and communism are no better or worse than democracy, free markets, and secularism. They're just different ways of arranging things, eh?

Funny after chiding me elsewhere for misusing quotation marks, you'd go and ascribe to me words I never wrote.

Keep fucking that strawman.

[Michael Hardner]

BD... Profanity... Not helpful...

[Bob]

Yeah, yeah... keep using the International Jew code language. It's not like I haven't heard it before. And of course, keep obfuscating the truth about Canada's slow suicide as it continues to import third-world trash.

Edited September 27, 2011 by Bob

[Scotty]

Religious holidays have already been pointed out here.

These are, for the most part, cultural holidays, which have religious origins. I don't know about you, but I don't think chocolate Easter bunnies and fat men in red suits riding sleighs are particularly religious.

[Scotty]

Is there any evidence whatsoever that anyone was forced to change any behaviours here? All we have a memo advising management to be aware that certain employees may need to be accommodated and some suggestions for how that can be done.

I think it was mentioned that one of the means of accommodation was to avoid serving refreshments, or avoid having meetings in areas where there was food during Ramadan...

I'm not saying this wouldn't be a sensitive thing to do, but imho that would be over the line. I would feel equally unhappy about a suggestion we can't serve refreshments unless there are kosher foods available in order to accommodate Jewish dietary rules. I'm not particularly religious. Do whatever you want on your own time but don't let it interfere with my time.

[Shwa]

Studies? You are now requesting that I provide studies in order to justify the position that spending taxpayer money on indoctrinating the public service into "multicultural" ideology is waste of time and resources? Yet of course you are able to make the absurd statement of such endeavours being "beneficial to society", and therefore worthwhile of the taxpayer. Why not give everything to the public service that is "beneficial to society"? Give them complementary art history classes and workshops. Give them complementary lifetime memberships at the most expensive fitness clubs. Give them complementary nutrition and addiction services.

There you go again gramps, right off your rocker. Yes, I demand that you supply studies to validate your nutty appearing opinion.

I love how leftists like you obfuscate and overcomplicate everything, as if simply expecting everyone at work to follow the same expectations is "intolerant" or "disrespectful". Multiculturalism is and will continue to be a disaster, where Canada's national identity becomes more ambiguous and nebulous. We believe in nothing, and we will fall for anything. When it's come to the point that my position of the superiority of Canadian society over most other societies (particularly communist and Islamic/Arabic societies) is now decried as "racist", we can all see how far we've fallen as Canadians. Like I said, I get no pleasure in realizing that with the onset of increasing political correctness and importation of more and more third world trash who bring with them their inferior and barbaric cultures, we're finished as a society.

But you lack credibility thus your argument - in form and in content - is rather moot. Just another old man shaking his fist at the clouds, like this guy.

No, we're certainly not all the same. I've known that forever. How about you? Does that mean we should have different expectations of standards for different people? For example, should we give special bonus points to job or university applications from people who are labeled as "disadvantaged" (such as Aboriginals or blacks) in order to "accommodate"? Should we designate rooms in public offices and schools for Muslim prayer sessions (without a rental fee, even)? Should we not bring food into business meetings in the public service because some hungry Muslim feels deprived during their Ramadan fast? Should I tell Fahdi that washing his feet in the common sink is disgusting because I am "sensitive" to his religious practises that I don't give a damn about? Since when am I supposed to respect anybody's religious beliefs, anyways? I don't expect any "respect" from you for any Jewish holidays I observe. And I will make special arrangements for myself for any Jewish holidays I choose to observe, and not expect my co-workers to bring only kosher-for-passover foods or keep a kosher sink for my purposes.

The same type that sends the memo is the same type who abhors anti-Semitism.

No doubt the irony is completely lost on you.

Putting on too much perfume at work, or in any public place, is just as ridiculous as a Muslim expecting me not to eat a sandwich in the meeting room because she's hungry during Ramadan. This is an issue of personal responsibility.

Just as ridiculous as complaints about swastika's in the work place. How dare they!

I'm still waiting for an answer from you folks regarding how many Muslims you're willing to tolerate in Canada. It's an uncomfortable question that leftists either avoid, or answer moronically (i.e. dre, Peter F, Rick, and GostHacked) by stating they're totally comfortable with a Canada composed completely of Muslims. You think it's bad now, it's only going to get worse as we keep importing these people and refuse to place any expectations onto newcomers for meaningful assimilation and avoid assertion of our superior value system.

If you are Jewish, it ain't your "superior value system." Or do you read different history books than everyone else?

Edited September 27, 2011 by Shwa

[Bob]

As any sensible person can see by glancing through this thread, suicidal political correctness and obscene leftism (complete with all of its hypocrisy over exactly which groups to accommodate and which to penalize eternally) is rampant in Canadian society. I hope that more and more incidents like this get more and more publicity, and that more and more Canadians wake up.

[Bob]

If you are Jewish, it ain't your "superior value system." Or do you read different history books than everyone else?

Yeah, 'cuz it's not like I can be Jewish and Canadian and Israeli and pro-democratic, free markets, and secularism all at the same time right? The only Jewish majority country in the world subscribes to all those values (although not nearly as assertively as it should). Continue pretending that somehow these values belong to a particular group, which excludes Jewish people.

[Shwa]

Yeah, 'cuz it's not like I can be Jewish and Canadian and Israeli and pro-democratic, free markets, and secularism all at the same time right? The only Jewish majority country in the world subscribes to all those values (although not nearly as assertively as it should). Continue pretending that somehow these values belong to a particular group, which excludes Jewish people.

The only Jewish majority country in the world subscribes to those values as a condition of its existence. Nothing more.

But again, the irony is lost on ya gramps. Keep shaking that hand!

[Bob]

The only Jewish majority country in the world subscribes to those values as a condition of its existence. Nothing more.

But again, the irony is lost on ya gramps. Keep shaking that hand!

Democracy was built by the Jewish people in Israel, not given to us by anyone else. You act as if democratic values in Israel are some random coincidence, like an act of God.

[charter.rights]

Democracy was built by the Jewish people in Israel, not given to us by anyone else. You act as if democratic values in Israel are some random coincidence, like an act of God.

Yes. Like Palestinians share in your greed democracy.

[Black Dog]

As per the scenario in the post you were responding to: managers were advised to "change lunch meetings to standard meetings where no food or drinks are served." As I pointed out, and you chose to ignore, no such "food and drink" changes re: kosher/allowed foods are made during Passover.

There could be if there was a demand for such. I wouldn't really care. Would you whinge about it if there were?

(This is where you ignore what was said and call everyone who doesn't see eye-to-eye with you "loons" again.... )

I'm sorry I didn't address your point sooner. Your lunacy is important to us. Please stay on the line.

Complete nonsense. In fact, it's the opposite. During Christmas, we're told not to actually not say Merry Christmas to anyone, because it might be offensive, so Happy Holidays must be used instead. Christmas trees are now referred to as Holiday trees, and Christmas cards are referred to as Holiday cards. And God forbid somebody puts up a nativity scene!

People get serious cases of the vapours!

Told by whom?

I've never been told to avoid using "Merry Christmas". And I used to work in the public service. I'll bet that has never happened to you either.

Yeah, yeah... keep using the International Jew code language. It's not like I haven't heard it before. And of course, keep obfuscating the truth about Canada's slow suicide as it continues to import third-world trash.

I trust you must be familiar with the full range of anti-Semitic material since you draw from them so heavily in your own views (with "Jew" scratched out and "Muslim" written in in crayon).

Yeah, 'cuz it's not like I can be Jewish and Canadian and Israeli and pro-democratic, free markets, and secularism all at the same time right?

You are on record on this board as saying both democracy and secularism are disposable when they conflict with your own brand of identity politics.

Edited September 27, 2011 by Black Dog

[Bob]

Democracy is certainly disposable if it means the destruction of Jewish statehood. I support a Jewish state over a democratic Israel if there is ever a risk of non-Jewish people changing our demographics. Ideally, I support mass revocation of most non-Jewish voting privileges in Israel and mass expulsions of the Arab/Muslim enemy.

If you had 20% of your population that was overwhelmingly anti-democratic, supportive of mass violence to destroy your country, and hardcore Islamic you'd feel the same way. Or perhaps you're comfortable with that in the name of "multiculturalism". Democracy can't survive if it is populated by anti-democratic people.

[Shwa]

Democracy was built by the Jewish people in Israel, not given to us by anyone else. You act as if democratic values in Israel are some random coincidence, like an act of God.

Sure, democracy was invented by Israelites and they used the Greek word for it too.

No, what I am saying is that the current state of Israel toes the line to Western political values to ensure its continued existence. No random coincidence there.

[Jack Weber]

Sure, democracy was invented by Israelites and they used the Greek word for it too.

No, what I am saying is that the current state of Israel toes the line to Western political values to ensure its continued existence. No random coincidence there.

Talk about a deluded Beginite,huh?

[Shady]

Told by whom?

I've never been told to avoid using "Merry Christmas". And I used to work in the public service. I'll bet that has never happened to you either.

As usual, you'd bet wrong. I've seen it first hand, in public and private sector jobs. Usually from busy-body types like yourself.

[Black Dog]

As usual, you'd bet wrong. I've seen it first hand, in public and private sector jobs. Usually from busy-body types like yourself.

I doubt that very much.

There's no way you've ever had a job.

[Boges]

Clearly to deny that employees at malls, government establishments etc are told to say "Happy Holidays" and not "Merry Christmas" is denying the obvious. It does happen.

BTW to respond BD's remark earlier about religious vacations, there's a difference. If a Muslim wants to take Eid off that's fine. This memo is implying that everyone must change their work habits in order not to offend a Muslim.

BTW Muslims have been working along side Christians and Jews in the country for awhile now. This is the first we've heard about these kind accommodations being offered. I doubt they are needed.

As a side note, I wonder what people would say about what's happening in France right now, a country that has the largest percentage of Muslims in Europe. They are planning to bad public prayer because Muslims are shutting public streets down by doing mass public prayers. Is that a reasonable response by the government of France? They've already banned the Burka a move I 100% support.

Edited September 27, 2011 by Boges

[Shady]

I doubt that very much.

There's no way you've ever had a job.

I've had several. Great argument though.