Is the canadian left anti-Semitic

[PIK]

This article really hits the nail on the head, and I agree with it.Why don't they save us alot of trouble and just admit to it.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/08/20/robert-fulford-when-arabs-kill-arabs-the-left-falls-silent/

[Bob]

I certainly wouldn't describe the left as anti-Semitic, but the left certainly has been the torch-bearer of anti-Semitism for many decades - far outpacing the right.

It's a multifaceted issue, and it's something I'm quite certain we've talked about in reasonable depth on MLW, before. To put it simply, the contemporary left in Canada and the USA are reflexively anti-Israel for many reasons, which makes them anti-Semitic either through ignorance (most likely) or through malice.

It's quite perverse among Muslims in the West, however, who seem to be a bit more brazen with their talk about Jewish media control and demonization of Zionism (without even knowing what Zionism is). They also blatantly lie (often believing their own lies, by the way) about what things are actually like in Israel and the territories. They also rewrite history, but that's another issue.

The article you linked has this one phrase that really resonates with me, and that was how the author described anti-Israel positions as an "article of faith" among the left. I think this is partly due to massive Canadian and American ignorance of the history of this conflict and of the sickness of Islamic societies, but mostly due to perceiving this conflict through the lens of a sort of Dances With Wolves narrative - where the Jewish people are these sort of European-white colonizers coming in to steal the land of a docile and peace-loving people. Nothing could be further from the truth, of course, as most Jews in Israel don't have European heritage (even though it's irrelevant), and the Arabs/Muslims who then magically became "Palestinians" in the aftermath of the Six-Day War were anything but docile and peaceful.

It's this sort of reflexive cheering for the underdog, where the "Palestinians" are incorrectly seen as oppressed losers in a conflict where they don't have a "fair chance", rather than realizing that they are a part of broader inferior, violent, misogynistic, deeply religious and hate-filled society (the broader Arab-Muslim world) that shouldn't elicit the compassion of any freedom loving individual.

That's my two cents.

[dre]

[William Ashley]

This article really hits the nail on the head, and I agree with it.Why don't they save us a lot of trouble and just admit to it.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/08/20/robert-fulford-when-arabs-kill-arabs-the-left-falls-silent/

It isn't a left right thing. There are neonazi's who are on the right, Aryan Guard sorts etc.. who get lumped in as "anti Semitic" I hate that term though because Arabs are Semites too. It should be called anti-Jewish, not anti Semitic.

I'd just like to state I am not antisemitic nor anti-Jewish, although I do criticize Israel (as a state) a lot. I actually rather like many Jews and have no bias against the Jewish religion (It is actually the religion closest to my own, but I'm more on the free the goat side, rather than the slit its throat side" of things (I'm more Pre-Adonai and holistic in my beliefs). The reason I criticize Israel quite often is that I support human rights, rule of law, and proportional response. Israel often positions itself against those values - so it is not the idea of "Israel" necessarily that I am upset with, I often am upset with the acts of the Israeli government, their positions, and their international activities such as ignoring international boundaries, assassination, other war crimes, ignorance of international law, and "unequal treatment" of Israeli's within Israel (a non equal segregated state based on religious affiliation)

I needed to clear that up that Jews are fine by me, and any criticism of Israel is due to their position and activities not as an anti Zionist statement. (Everyone deserves a home - but I would have picked Madagascar over the levant personally speaking.(Such easily defined borders - the ocean) relatively defensible with a navy or US/British EUropean naval supports etc.. Its a different timeline of course, but the rationality doesn't make full sense to me its almost like asking for the world to end to play into John .

So no I don't think it is a left right issue on anti Semitic, actually the Right wing is far more biased in terms of racism because the left believes in "fairness, equality, and human rights, this includes anti racism"

So no, it is a trait of the right wing to be racists because it is traditional and the right wing upholds traditional values, paternalism, statist control, corporatist mentality etc.. .

A easy way to frame it is to just think, there is nothing new about the right.

Edited September 17, 2011 by William Ashley

[Bob]

It isn't a left right thing. There are neonazi's who are on the right, Aryan Guard sorts etc.. who get lumped in as "anti Semitic" I hate that term though because Arabs are Semites too. It should be called anti-Jewish, not anti Semitic.

I'd just like to state I am not antisemitic nor anti-Jewish, although I do criticize Israel (as a state) a lot. I actually rather like many Jews and have no bias against the Jewish religion (It is actually the religion closest to my own, but I'm more on the free the goat side, rather than the slit its throat side" of things (I'm more Pre-Adoni and holistic in my beliefs). The reason I criticize Israel quite often is that I support human rights, rule of law, and proportional response. Israel often positions itself against those values - so it is not the idea of "Israel" necessarily that I am upset with, I often am upset with the acts of the Israeli government, their positions, and their international activities such as ignoring international boundaries, assassination, other war crimes, ignorance of international law, and "unequal treatment" of Israeli's within Israel (a non equal segregated state based on religious affiliation)

I needed to clear that up that Jews are fine by me, and any criticism of Israel is due to their position and activities not as an anti Zionist statement.

So no I don't think it is a left right issue on anti Semitic, actually the Right wing is far more biased in terms of racism because the left believes in "fairness, equality, and human rights, this includes anti racism"

So no, it is a trait of the right wing to be racists because it is traditional and the right wing upholds traditional values, paternalism, statist control, corporatist mentality etc.. .

Your entire post is nonsense. Aside from the fact that you, like most other, perpetuate the lie of Nazism being a right-wing ideology, you then go into the usual rhetoric about "human rights", "proportionate response", and the "rule of law". Without going into detail, which would be useless with you, let me just that you play the role of the "useful idiot" who allows the Islamist filth to use such rhetoric to attack us. You think the "Palestinians" support those values? You think they're democratic? You think they're believers in pluralism? You think they protect the rule of law? What a joke.

You're the perfect example of the leftist who is anti-Semitic not through malice, but through ignorance.

[Argus]

This article really hits the nail on the head, and I agree with it.Why don't they save us alot of trouble and just admit to it.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/08/20/robert-fulford-when-arabs-kill-arabs-the-left-falls-silent/

It's a different kind of anti-semitism. There is some anti-Semitism on the right, mostly among very religious people, and among those fringe types like the Nazis or White Pride, or whatever they're calling themselves.

The Left is something rather different. Certain portions of the left feel a powerful indignation bordering on outrage for those who disagree with their political and ideological stances. Since they consider themselves to be well-meaning, it stands to reason those who oppose them are not. Thus we get the morality play, whereby certain of those on the Left will look down on those who oppose them, as if they were inherently less moral, or even hateful. Look back to those posters who actually suggested with straight faces, that Harris, or Harper, 'hate the poor' and want to destroy health care, and want to punish the poor, and are racists, and just plain cruel people. The justification for this antipathy is that Harris and Harper disagree with the Left's ideological and political views, and so, must be cruel, horrible people.

Much of the Left has adopted Palestine as a cause du jour. They long to have a real cause, like South Africa was in the eighties, or racism or Vietnam were in the US in the sixties. So they've tried to adopt this as their big moral imperative. You see some of them on this site, constantly expressing their righteous indignation over the rights of Palestinians, and all the cruelty heaped upon them. And no, you won't hear them utter a peep about other people around the world who are much worse off. Those people aren't their cause celebre, and they don't get much TV play anyway.

To them, it's as simple as men in uniforms (eek!) with guns, against poor, downtrodden 'brown people'. So Isreal is the great evil, and anyone supports Israel is, of course, immoral and evil and sadistic and cruel. Most Jews support Israel, and the Left reflexively realizes this. Therefore, the Jews are inherently evil. There's more to it than that, of course. You can throw in a pseudo sophistication which looks down its nose at people who can be termed 'traditionalists', who care about family, and education and are altogether far too religious and clannish for the suspicious minds of these self-described sophisticates.

This sort of Anti-Semitism is more likely to result in nasty whispers, the occasional rude slur and perhaps not using known Jewish businesses, but isn't likely to result in a brick or a Molotov cocktail through anyone's window. Unless, of course, we're talking about Muslims. And while Muslims are embraced by the Left (weirdly) they aren't properly of the Left as they are opposed to all too many cherished Leftist causes, notably including gender equality and gay rights.

[Boges]

They may not be Anti-Semitic but they sure are anti-Israel.

The fact that Israeli Apartheid idiots are laughed off University campuses every time they try to claim that Israel is similar to Apartheid South Africa proves that they have issues with Israel.

I think it stems more from the fact that Israel is propped up by the US and they hate the US.

[Bob]

It's a different kind of anti-semitism. There is some anti-Semitism on the right, mostly among very religious people, and among those fringe types like the Nazis or White Pride, or whatever they're calling themselves.

The Left is something rather different. Certain portions of the left feel a powerful indignation bordering on outrage for those who disagree with their political and ideological stances. Since they consider themselves to be well-meaning, it stands to reason those who oppose them are not. Thus we get the morality play, whereby certain of those on the Left will look down on those who oppose them, as if they were inherently less moral, or even hateful. Look back to those posters who actually suggested with straight faces, that Harris, or Harper, 'hate the poor' and want to destroy health care, and want to punish the poor, and are racists, and just plain cruel people. The justification for this antipathy is that Harris and Harper disagree with the Left's ideological and political views, and so, must be cruel, horrible people.

Much of the Left has adopted Palestine as a cause du jour. They long to have a real cause, like South Africa was in the eighties, or racism or Vietnam were in the US in the sixties. So they've tried to adopt this as their big moral imperative. You see some of them on this site, constantly expressing their righteous indignation over the rights of Palestinians, and all the cruelty heaped upon them. And no, you won't hear them utter a peep about other people around the world who are much worse off. Those people aren't their cause celebre, and they don't get much TV play anyway.

To them, it's as simple as men in uniforms (eek!) with guns, against poor, downtrodden 'brown people'. So Isreal is the great evil, and anyone supports Israel is, of course, immoral and evil and sadistic and cruel. Most Jews support Israel, and the Left reflexively realizes this. Therefore, the Jews are inherently evil. There's more to it than that, of course. You can throw in a pseudo sophistication which looks down its nose at people who can be termed 'traditionalists', who care about family, and education and are altogether far too religious and clannish for the suspicious minds of these self-described sophisticates.

This sort of Anti-Semitism is more likely to result in nasty whispers, the occasional rude slur and perhaps not using known Jewish businesses, but isn't likely to result in a brick or a Molotov cocktail through anyone's window. Unless, of course, we're talking about Muslims. And while Muslims are embraced by the Left (weirdly) they aren't properly of the Left as they are opposed to all too many cherished Leftist causes, notably including gender equality and gay rights.

You touch on so many points that I've noticed, and I agree with most of this post. First, the self-concept of many on the left is that they are morally superior beings than those of us on the right - it is THEY who have the monopoly on generosity and caring for the less fortunate. Those of us who know that leftist policies actually harm the poorest and least fortunate among us the most are, in the view of those on the left, soulless and without compassion. Although this is a side issue with respect to the OP, your observations mirror mine.

I want to touch on what you mentioned about the left embracing Muslims and Islam, and constantly making excuses for Islamists and associated terrorist - it sure is WEIRD! They are essentially supporting a perverted society that is antithetical to what the left proclaims to stand for. It's almost funny. It's just another example of the massive hypocrisy of the contemporary left-wing in Canada and the USA.

[William Ashley]

Your entire post is nonsense. Aside from the fact that you, like most other, perpetuate the lie of Nazism being a right-wing ideology, you then go into the usual rhetoric about "human rights", "proportionate response", and the "rule of law". Without going into detail, which would be useless with you, let me just that you play the role of the "useful idiot" who allows the Islamist filth to use such rhetoric to attack us. You think the "Palestinians" support those values? You think they're democratic? You think they're believers in pluralism? You think they protect the rule of law? What a joke.

You're the perfect example of the leftist who is anti-Semitic not through malice, but through ignorance.

Hey man I'm not arming them myself. The thing here is though that you automatically bring up "Palestine" in a discussion about antisemitism. I hate that term it should be antiJewish, or anti-Israel, as palestinians are semites too.

Are Palestinians suddenly a state? With responsibilities under international law? Last I checked they were either in Arab homelands being occupied by Israel, or part of territories illegally annexed by Israel.

The two don't line up until later this week.Maybe we should just hold the discussion on Palestine, Israel and the brothelbes until later this week.

If you don't know there were "graduated controls" on the Palestinians, most were refugees who fled from war or by agreements that would see them have rights and automony in certain areas --- Israel pushing the Arabs out of their homes "within "Israel" then the Israelis started moving into the areas they pushed them into.

The Arab council originally controlled the "Arab areas", and of course a state of war. These controls changed hands, whilst Israel and the PLO under Arafat started to deal with the US on a "roadmap" this seems though that someone lost the map, and the driver ran over the passenger, backed up did it again then carried on their way forward. None the less Arafat died and the ball kept rolling, all the fun with the changing faces of groups like Fatah from the 80's into present day "next to Jordan" - going home.. and of course the professionalizing of HAMAS into a almost surface political party (while membership holds between incursions by Israel and mass arrests of party members in the Palestinian Ghetto. Anywho... the thing here is that you can't really pigeonhole a Palestinian, the whole Arab/Jewish Palestinian/Jewish thing has matured and evolved. There are still "issues" but you can only squeeze balls so long before they pop. What does it matter at that point. Get it though that Israel was founded by Terrorists too. All the fun with Ben Gurion etc..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion

they stop calling you a terrorist when you have a government. At worst you get called corrupt, and a human rights abuser after that. Just pull up the "national security" card and you have a rug handy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000636

Edited September 18, 2011 by William Ashley

[Bonam]

The fact that Israeli Apartheid idiots are laughed off University campuses every time they try to claim that Israel is similar to Apartheid South Africa proves that they have issues with Israel.

If only they were laughed off. At my undergrad campus (UBC), these people unfortunately were able to stay and scream their BS and lies for an entire week every year, right in one of the busiest areas of campus.

As for the rest of it, Argus makes many good points in his post. The reflex to sympathize with the underdog is the hallmark of leftist thinking, whereas those on the right often consider that perhaps the underdog got to where he is as a result of his own actions. This certainly applies to domestic economic and social issues.

So I don't think "the left" inherently hates Jews or anything, but when they see big bad Israeli soldiers on TV and poor Palestinians, they immediately get a stark emotional image of good and evil, which they do not consider rationally. Or, if they do try to consider it rationally, they get a lot of skewed information, as anti-Israeli propaganda saturates all forms of media. And, of course, Jews and Israel are inextricably tied together in people's perception, just as Americans are tied together with America, Russians with Russia, Chinese with China, etc. Many lefties manage to hate Israel without hating Jews in general, but the minds of others are incapable of truly holding onto that distinction. Hence the reflexive hatred of Israel as evil rubs of on Jews in general, and boom, you get leftist antisemitism. As Argus says, this is unfortunate, but unlikely to result in physical danger to Jews in the West.

That being said, the classical antisemitism that was long on the decline in the Western world since WWII is now rapidly resurgent, as we import millions of Muslims who almost ubiquitously hold classical antisemitic views.

Edited September 17, 2011 by Bonam

[jbg]

This article really hits the nail on the head, and I agree with it.Why don't they save us alot of trouble and just admit to it.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/08/20/robert-fulford-when-arabs-kill-arabs-the-left-falls-silent/

Extremely accurate article and post.

I think it is another manifestation of the whack-a-mole problem of anti-Judaism. No matter what the contemporary issue, the Jews are wrong. Bubonic plague-blame the Jews. Economic depression-blame the bankers who at that time happened to be Jewish. Arabs suffer from ignorance and low standard of living-blame Israel.

They may not be Anti-Semitic but they sure are anti-Israel.

The fact that Israeli Apartheid idiots are laughed off University campuses every time they try to claim that Israel is similar to Apartheid South Africa proves that they have issues with Israel.

I think it stems more from the fact that Israel is propped up by the US and they hate the US.

I'm not sure what you're getting at but the animus is directed at Israel, and the U.S. only for supporting Israel.

[Jack Weber]

I do not think the Canadian "Left' is anti-Semitic...

I do think that many of that poltical persuasion are definately anti-American.As such,anything with the "taint' of US military might gets labeled and targeted.Israel definately gets alot of military assistance...There should be no question of that.

What I always find terribly strange is that the very people who would slit the throats of Westerners who believe in things like Gay Rights,democracy etc.,get hearty approval from the "left" in North Amwerica.As if they were their compatriots in some bizarre common cause...

[Guest American Woman]

If only they were laughed off. At my undergrad campus (UBC), these people unfortunately were able to stay and scream their BS and lies for an entire week every year, right in one of the busiest areas of campus.

Would students be able to get away with it if they were to replace "Israel" with "Palestine?" Does such a thing occur?

[Rick]

No, the left isn't anti-semeitic. It's just tired of Israel's non stop wailing and the pandering that is given to a country rife with a history of terrorist leaders.

Menachim Begin took part in terrorist acts in the 1940s, including the attack on the King David Hotel which killed 91 people.

Begin ordered ... the destruction of the central British administrative offices in the King David Hotel. — Jewish Virtual Library

In 1946, Jewish terrorists agitating for their own state in British-occupied Palestine blew up Jerusalem's King David Hotel, killing 91.

Yitzhak Shamir was the operations commander, and later leader, of the Stern Gang, a terrorist group which was responsible for a string of political assassinations.

Shamir was a member of two militant Jewish underground organizations which ... were active in counter-terrorist acts against Arabs as well as sabotage against the British. — The Department for Jewish Zionist Education (Note the use of the term counter-terrorist to disguise terrorism.)

In post-war British-mandated Palestine the words Stern Gang equalled "terrorism" — assassinations, bombings, the full works. ... Yitzhak Shamir had been the gang's operations commander. ... By appointing Shamir Foreign Minister, Prime Minister Menachem Begin had selected the organiser of two famous assassinations: the killing of Lord Moyne, the British Minister representative in the Middle East, in 1944, and that of Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN's special Mediator on Palestine, in 1948. — Stern Gang: what does 'mekhabbel' mean?

During the fight for Jewish statehood, extremist military groups sometimes resorted to the use of terrorist tactics. One such instance occurred in 1948 when members of the Jewish underground organization LEHI (Fighters for the Freedom of Israel) killed UN Peace Mediator Count Folke Bernadotte to protest his diplomatic efforts to modify the Palestine partition plan. ... Yitzhak Shamir reputedly played a role in planning the assassination; however, he was never tried and went on to become Prime Minister of Israel. — The Assassination of Count Bernadotte

Ariel Sharon initiated the Sabra-Shatila massacre in which between 1000 and 3000 people (mostly Palestinians) were murdered, and now leads a terrorist campaign against all Palestinians living in the occupied territories of the West Bank.

As commander of the notorious Unit 101, Sharon led attacks on Palestinian villages in which women and children were killed. The massacre in the West Bank village of Qibya, on October 14, 1953, was perhaps the most notorious. His troops blew up 45 houses and 69 Palestinian civilians — about half of them women and children — were killed. — The Electronic Intifada

No one has ever been tried for the massacre, but an official Israeli commission of inquiry found that Israel's defense minister at the time, Ariel Sharon, "bears personal responsibility" as well as "indirect responsibility." It was Sharon, after all, who had ordered the Israel Defense Forces to invade Beirut and surround the camps. ... Like Pinochet and other war criminals, Sharon and his Phalangist underlings should be brought to book; if they can successfully evade justice, then it will give heart to killers everywhere. — Marking a Massacre, The Nation

Sharon's preemptive logic undercuts all form of dialogue and negotiations. Its rule of thumb is violence, and then more violence, whether it manifests itself as a military attack or as an aggressive act of dispossession. So while it may seem that the bloody routine is in some way preordained, it is actually Sharon's preemptive zeal alongside Hamas' and Islamic Jihad's fundamentalism that has clouded the horizon and concealed, as Arendt might have said, the possibility for a better future. — Neve Gordon, Sharon's Preemptive Zeal, Counterpunch, 2003-09-24

But anyone that dares call them out for being the despots that they are is automatically branded an anti-semitic.

One could just as easily ask the question:

Are the Canadian right wing and Israelis racist with their hatred of muslims and Islam

We already know that Yair Netanyahu is a racist.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Rick

[jbg]

No, the left isn't anti-semeitic. It's just tired of Israel's non stop wailing and the pandering that is given to a country rife with a history of terrorist leaders.

I was going to respond point by point to you but I see that you are basically a knee-jerk Jew hater. Israel is a country barely the size of Prince Edward Island and for many that's too much. Including you.

Menachim Begin took part in terrorist acts in the 1940s, including the attack on the King David Hotel which killed 91 people.

Begin ordered ... the destruction of the central British administrative offices in the King David Hotel. — Jewish Virtual Library

In 1946, Jewish terrorists agitating for their own state in British-occupied Palestine blew up Jerusalem's King David Hotel, killing 91.

How about the fact that Begin warned the British to evacuate before the explosions and the British were not about to honor a warning from that "Jew"? Also how about the fact that the Arabs sided with the Nazis, the Jews sided with the Allies? At that point the former concentration camps were still chock-full with Jews who needed a place to go. Some were barely walking at the time that the camps were liberated. They could not be returned to their ancestral villages since their property was already distributed to others. Other people lived in their homes and operated their businesses. And these were the people that wanted them killed in the first place.

Thus, the Jews did not have the option of letting the Palestine Mandate situation just sit until the Arab-Jew problems were worked out. That was something that was unlikely to happen and still have not happened in the 65 years since. The Jews needed a homeland since at that point the U.S., Canada and Britain were both unwilling and unable to absorb the Jews left in Europe. It's as simple as that.

Ariel Sharon initiated the Sabra-Shatila massacre in which between 1000 and 3000 people (mostly Palestinians) were murdered, and now leads a terrorist campaign against all Palestinians living in the occupied territories of the West Bank.

Sabra & Shatila happened in 1982 or 1983. Get your sequences right. And the murderers were Phalangist Christians who were feeling a bit besieged by yet another Muslim onslaught.

Sharon's preemptive logic undercuts all form of dialogue and negotiations. Its rule of thumb is violence, and then more violence, whether it manifests itself as a military attack or as an aggressive act of dispossession. So while it may seem that the bloody routine is in some way preordained, it is actually Sharon's preemptive zeal alongside Hamas' and Islamic Jihad's fundamentalism that has clouded the horizon and concealed, as Arendt might have said, the possibility for a better future. — Neve Gordon, Sharon's Preemptive Zeal, Counterpunch, 2003-09-24

Sharon, as a general was just supposed to let us get slaughtered? If he were so bad, why wasn't the surrounded Egyptian Third Army butchered by his forces in 1973?

Are the Canadian right wing and Israelis racist with their hatred of muslims and Islam

We already know that Yair Netanyahu is a racist.

Maybe the Jews aren't trying to wreck Canadian society.

Edited September 18, 2011 by jbg

[Argus]

No, the left isn't anti-semeitic.

Case in point...

[eyeball]

I do not think the Canadian "Left' is anti-Semitic...

I do think that many of that poltical persuasion are definately anti-American.As such,anything with the "taint' of US military might gets labeled and targeted.Israel definately gets alot of military assistance...There should be no question of that.

What I always find terribly strange is that the very people who would slit the throats of Westerners who believe in things like Gay Rights,democracy etc.,get hearty approval from the "left" in North Amwerica.As if they were their compatriots in some bizarre common cause...

That's right, nothing cheers me up faster than watching a Daniel Pearl re-run.

hearty approval...compatriots...in common cause...

That's some freakin' bizarre alright.

[jbg]

That's right, nothing cheers me up faster than watching a Daniel Pearl re-run.

I thought you considered lopping off the head of a reporter, a husband of a newly pregnant wife a progressive act.

[Bonam]

Would students be able to get away with it if they were to replace "Israel" with "Palestine?" Does such a thing occur?

It doesn't occur, and no, I'm sure if they tried they couldn't get away with it. Campus authorities wouldn't permit such "racists" to set up their exhibits there.

[GostHacked]

Yay more of this left-right ideology bullcrap.

Divide and conquere.

[Bob]

I was going to respond point by point to you but I see that you are basically a knee-jerk Jew hater. Israel is a country barely the size of Prince Edward Island and for many that's too much. Including you.

How about the fact that Begin warned the British to evacuate before the explosions and the British were not about to honor a warning from that "Jew"? Also how about the fact that the Arabs sided with the Nazis, the Jews sided with the Allies? At that point the former concentration camps were still chock-full with Jews who needed a place to go. Some were barely walking at the time that the camps were liberated. They could not be returned to their ancestral villages since their property was already distributed to others. Other people lived in their homes and operated their businesses. And these were the people that wanted them killed in the first place.

Thus, the Jews did not have the option of letting the Palestine Mandate situation just sit until the Arab-Jew problems were worked out. That was something that was unlikely to happen and still have not happened in the 65 years since. The Jews needed a homeland since at that point the U.S., Canada and Britain were both unwilling and unable to absorb the Jews left in Europe. It's as simple as that.

Sabra & Shatila happened in 1982 or 1983. Get your sequences right. And the murderers were Phalangist Christians who were feeling a bit besieged by yet another Muslim onslaught.

Sharon, as a general was just supposed to let us get slaughtered? If he were so bad, why wasn't the surrounded Egyptian Third Army butchered by his forces in 1973?

Maybe the Jews aren't trying to wreck Canadian society.

Rick's entire post was plagiarized from other websites, word for word. Pathetic, and unworthy of response.

[Boges]

It doesn't occur, and no, I'm sure if they tried they couldn't get away with it. Campus authorities wouldn't permit such "racists" to set up their exhibits there.

I hope you were trying to be ironic with this post.

[jbg]

Rick's entire post was plagiarized from other websites, word for word. Pathetic, and unworthy of response.

Link to sites?

[Guest American Woman]

It doesn't occur, and no, I'm sure if they tried they couldn't get away with it. Campus authorities wouldn't permit such "racists" to set up their exhibits there.

That's what I thought.

[wyly]

being anti-zionist is not the same as anti-semitic, anti-jewish or anti-israeli...the zionist/racists/religious zealots love this game thinking that people are too stupid to see through it, the sad thing is much of the time they're right...then their is their standard fallback line "we're not so bad look at what the arabs are doing to each other",nice deflection :lol: ...ya that's right the neighbours are murderous authoritarian bastards so we can behave like arseholes too excuse...the difference being the neighbours don't pretend to be anything else...