bush_cheney2004 Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 ....I'm not against taking the fight to them if they do things that threaten us. So clean that up, and move on. The whole nation building idea is just a farce, proven to fail, proven to be a money sucking black hole for corrupt elements that want to take the billions pouring in, including our own people.... So Europe should have been left to its own devices after getting bombed out during WW2? No Marshall Plan? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Sir Bandelot Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 So Europe should have been left to its own devices after getting bombed out during WW2? No Marshall Plan? Reductio ad Nazium. Now 19 terrorists equates to the same threat as the whole nazi apparatus, and communism. Quote
Army Guy Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 Totally corrupt. Good luck with that. Hey man, who made you the in charge of the world? Let these people reform their own society, if they want. I'm not against taking the fight to them if they do things that threaten us. So clean that up, and move on. The whole nation building idea is just a farce, proven to fail, proven to be a money sucking black hole for corrupt elements that want to take the billions pouring in, including our own people. Contractors and the like. Let these people help each other. What you think places like Saudi Arabia can't afford to help them? But they don't. Why, because they're just as corrupt, and even worse in their laws and observance of human rights. So let's see you try and go clean that up, if you want to be the world savior. I'm not in charge of anything including my world, But while you got your head stuck in the sand enjoying whats yours and living the good life here in Canada, there are some of us that believe that there are moments in history that other nations need a helping hand to over come a dictator, or other ruthless leader, perhaps changing forms of government as well ...history is full of those examples like Hitler,Stalin,well you know the list.... which have complete control of a nation and rule with an iron fist...others in your nation have tried to make changes and have disapeared....fear grows to it has complete control over you and whats yours...until you and them decide at least i'm alive for now...change costs to much... And yet here we all live in Canada the land of the rich and famous and for most of us we live a good life, enjoy a good standard of living ....our nation is fairly wealthy and we have something to offer the rest of the world....the biggest gift of all freedom.... Clean it up and move on....well our nation has become liberalized and has agreed to enter armed conflicts with one arm behind our backs...no problem our military will adapt, and become victorous we all shout...we've defeated our enemies but that was the easy part....now we have to set this nation up for sucess or fear it will return back to it's orginal state....thats the hard part, and it takes generations and bils or trilions of dollars that is what reasonable conquors do....Nation building has worked in the past and is still working today...you need to give it time to work, but we come from a fast food nation, we want it now no excuses.... As for the government being corrupt, shit how many scandles has our governments had....so why would we not cut them some slack and allow them to grow as a nation. I don't waqnt to be a savoir....but atleast my head is not stuck in the sand and i've tried to do as much as one person could, i've served my country 3 times already...my chioce , because i believe one person can make a difference...one nation can also make a difference and perhaps grant their one wish which is freedom, peace....to much for you, fine there are plenty that want to make a difference ...but because you don't understand that you condemn those that atleast try..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 So Europe should have been left to its own devices after getting bombed out during WW2? No Marshall Plan? Europe should have been left to its own devices in WW1. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 Reductio ad Nazium. Now 19 terrorists equates to the same threat as the whole nazi apparatus, and communism. Yea....just "clean it up and move on". LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Sir Bandelot Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 Yea....just "clean it up and move on". LOL! That's right, just needs a few predator drones, flown by those courageous heroes sitting in the pentagon. "LOL" Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 That's right, just needs a few predator drones, flown by those courageous heroes sitting in the pentagon. They are in Nevada, not the Pentagon. As for "cleaning up", there is more to it than just taking out the garbage. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Sir Bandelot Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 They are in Nevada, not the Pentagon. As for "cleaning up", there is more to it than just taking out the garbage. Ok, I guess that makes you feel all good about it then. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 Ok, I guess that makes you feel all good about it then. Shucks, it just ain't neighbourly to tear the place all up and not help pay for some of the damages. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 A Radical Experiment in Empathy That was pretty good, but for some reason I think he could have presented it a little better. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Army Guy Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 A Radical Experiment in Empathy: I watched your youtube segiment twice now, and have come to the conclusion it's full of crap, or maybe i'm just not getting it... It basically says that the US is taking oil from Arab Muslim countries without paying for it, stealing the resources...according to the clip....Thats quite the claim....yet they provide no proof just claim it to be so.... And here i thought OPEC set the price on a barrel of oil, arn't they Arab muslims....are these prices just for the rest of the world because i'm confused....what is the price of a barrel of oil, and how much are arab countries selling it for....and what is the break down from that sale... why is it that Sadam had palaces are paved in gold and the worlds finest arts, and other materials...why is it the richest city in the world Dubia ..is in the middle east...why is it Iran can presue a Nuclear wpns program....where are all the profits going from the sale of this oil....anyone...are you suggesting it is all being funeled back to the US....because if you are i'd like a source.... And if it is not being funeled back to the US, How can you want me to put myself in their shoes....So if i get this right the US who purchases their resources at market value...and don't tell me over a 100 dollars a barrel is not fair.....that funding does go into that muslim nations coffers...there dictactors or what ever you call them decides on how to share this wealth from within....and somehow Muhamad gets pissed off at the US because our nations are fat and happy, and somehow i'm suppose to feel sorry for Muhamad...because his government is keeping all those profits... and i'm suppose to understand ....when they decide they want more out of life and decide to start killing westerners.... I do understand , i understand fully, i understand we have the right to protect ourselfs, we have the right to take the fight back to them, why would we not decide to take that fight to their streets, their neibourhoods. Empathy....i've seen their empathy up close and personal...and it sucks...and i'm not alone in that line of thinking in fact most NATO countries feel the same way, to the piont they have sent Combat forces to close with and destroy these Muslim fanatics you want me to have empathy for...As for the majority of the population, there is empathy tones of it...one of the reason i completed 3 tours in Afghan....and i've talked to loads of AFghan civilians and none of them have said anything discribed in your vid.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
GostHacked Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 A Radical Experiment in Empathy: I watched your youtube segiment twice now, and have come to the conclusion it's full of crap, or maybe i'm just not getting it... It basically says that the US is taking oil from Arab Muslim countries without paying for it, stealing the resources...according to the clip....Thats quite the claim....yet they provide no proof just claim it to be so.... Libya is not enough proof for you? The USA is not the only player in that game. Quote
Army Guy Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 Libya is not enough proof for you? The USA is not the only player in that game. No it is not, If you support the vid and it's claim then prove that Iraqi's oil is being stolen, be it for free or well below the world market value.... And if Libya is proof, why not just land ground troops and be done with it.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
GostHacked Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 No it is not, If you support the vid and it's claim then prove that Iraqi's oil is being stolen, be it for free or well below the world market value.... Iraqi oil is being traded in US dollars. Iraq like Libya wanted to start trading oil in a different currency. And if Libya is proof, why not just land ground troops and be done with it.... Already happening http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/12/us-boots-on-ground-in-libya-pentagon-confirms/ Mind you, they are doing this to get the US embassy running again (limited small number of troops) But that is just the start, once this civil war dies down some, NATO will be putting boots on the ground. Don't forget British SAS were in Libya back in January and February just before Libya started to go down the tubes. Quote
Army Guy Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 Iraqi oil is being traded in US dollars. Iraq like Libya wanted to start trading oil in a different currency. Perhaps i'm a retard but i'm not getting this trading in US dollar thing....i purchase alot of thing in the US on e bay i pay in US dollars or what is equilant in Canadian dollars....i did not have to purchase any US currency, just it's value compared to what currency i'm using.... It does not explain the other piont is the US or any coalition memeber getting Iraqi oil for free or for less than OPEC pricing....if not then why should i have Empathy for our Arab / muslim brothers if their nation gets paid for their oil at world market prices, how are we stealing it....and how is it our problem if their nation can not share the wealth....how is that my fault, and how does that give them a right to fly planes into the towers...I'm confused... a couple of hundred troops does not make an invasion force, it barely makes a training team....NATO will not put boots on the ground unless requested....but that does not matter does it, NATO will be seen as a invasion force, and punished by extremist anyways....including by our own country men....i don't think they are ready to get burned twice.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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