wyly Posted September 10, 2011 Report Posted September 10, 2011 A report out today says that the government has spent 92 Billion in security, post 9/11 and I'm wandering do you feel safer? I think more Canadians always felt safe they just feel POORER now. Of course, since joining NATO in Afghainstan that may have changed things, but I still feel poorer. Thoughts? http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/9-11-anniversary/Canada+dropped+billion+security+post+Report/5362869/story.html there was never a time when i felt unsafe...i've better chance of being killed by lightening than terrorism...and let's not forget the reason we ever became a target is our participation in afghanistan... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
fellowtraveller Posted September 10, 2011 Report Posted September 10, 2011 And yet the link I provided, from Australia, regarding interviews with those involved, says the opposite. It says Australians were targeted in 2002. So Australia, even according to your link, WAS targeted. One of the main targets. Yet you've made the U.S. "the [primary] target." I don't understand why some people make it into something other than what it was. Is it out of a sense of security? Out of a sense of being morally superior to the U.S.? Whatever reasons people have, it doesn't change the reality. At any rate, I'll take the word of the police who interviewed those involved. I'll take the words of the man who masterminded the whole episode, as quoted and direct from his mouth. Consider also that the primary target was initially not a pub in Kuta at all, but US oil installations nearby. They were abandoned as targets because they had reasonable security, and the bars that were flattened had none. Consider also that the US consuklate was attacked at the same time, with little effect. Consider also that the Australian press, like yours and mine, focuses on their interests and presents nearly every story from their parochial and narrow nationalist angle. The Aussies are particulary good at it, and Bali is their playground. Americans were the primary target. Not Australians and all the other nationalities that died. There were other inmportant targets in Bali, and those were devastated. First was the economy of Bali, which was doing much, much better than the rest of Indonesia. Note that Bali is a Hindu enclave of 3 million in a sea of Muslims, about 200 million. Resntment runs high in Djkarta over this, there is a strong level of jealousy. The Bali economy was crushed by this event. Note also that their was a cultural/religious element, where the rich/successful hindus were slapped down by their Islamic masters. So cultural/religious/weconomic forces were important too. It was the ideal target in the end. Quote The government should do something.
PIK Posted September 10, 2011 Report Posted September 10, 2011 I to have never felt unsafe in this country. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted September 10, 2011 Report Posted September 10, 2011 I'm not sure where this belongs but I thought it pertinent. Inside the towers Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Silas XIV Posted September 10, 2011 Report Posted September 10, 2011 I don't feel safer, especially with the increasing amount of foreigners flooding our gates. How could you feel safer knowing you have neighbours who just fled a war-torn nation? If you feel "safe" in this world, then you have been watching your Talmudvision a little too much. Quote
Jack Weber Posted September 10, 2011 Report Posted September 10, 2011 I don't feel safer, especially with the increasing amount of foreigners flooding our gates. How could you feel safer knowing you have neighbours who just fled a war-torn nation? If you feel "safe" in this world, then you have been watching your Talmudvision a little too much. Sincerely Julius Streicher Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Silas XIV Posted September 10, 2011 Report Posted September 10, 2011 Sincerely Julius Streicher good ol' Jackie-poo Do you not remember me? Damn; thought I would've left an ever-lasting impression! Clearly you still use the same old Julius Streicher card; time to get a newer punchline mate Quote
Jack Weber Posted September 11, 2011 Report Posted September 11, 2011 good ol' Jackie-poo Do you not remember me? Damn; thought I would've left an ever-lasting impression! Clearly you still use the same old Julius Streicher card; time to get a newer punchline mate Hey Lictor/Kanadischer/Dissenter If the NAZI jackboot fits,wear it.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Silas XIV Posted September 11, 2011 Report Posted September 11, 2011 Hey Lictor/Kanadischer/Dissenter If the NAZI jackboot fits,wear it.... Glad to see I can make it on your list of top three!! Quote
Bryan Posted September 11, 2011 Report Posted September 11, 2011 What an interesting metric for freedom you have ! It certainly wasn't my metric going in. A few weeks there have changed my perspective a bit. Quote
Argus Posted September 12, 2011 Report Posted September 12, 2011 That is one thing my pal has to contend with now and then, he is a firefighter at the airport. Plane hydroplaned skidded off the runway a bit and buried a wing tip in the ground. I might add that, so far as I know, we are also the only country in the western world, actually, I believe the only country on the planet now, which still contracts out airport security to low wage, high-turnover security guard agencies, and many of the employees are recent immigrants and refugees. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted September 12, 2011 Report Posted September 12, 2011 I might add that, so far as I know, we are also the only country in the western world, actually, I believe the only country on the planet now, which still contracts out airport security to low wage, high-turnover security guard agencies, and many of the employees are recent immigrants and refugees. Umm, the TSA? Seriously, I have absolutely zero complaints about airport security in Canada. I've never had any trouble any time I've flown. They've always been professional and thorough without being a waste of time.....crossing the border on the other hand..... Quote
guyser Posted September 12, 2011 Report Posted September 12, 2011 I might add that, so far as I know, we are also the only country in the western world, actually, I believe the only country on the planet now, which still contracts out airport security to low wage, high-turnover security guard agencies, and many of the employees are recent immigrants and refugees. Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA). Its a crown corp isnt it? If you mean the workers, well yeah, but there are airports all over hiring the same underqualified , few floors short of a hi-rise type peope. Quote
bloodyminded Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 I don't feel safer, especially with the increasing amount of foreigners flooding our gates. How could you feel safer knowing you have neighbours who just fled a war-torn nation? If you feel "safe" in this world, then you have been watching your Talmudvision a little too much. Another lurker from Stormfront? Welcome to the (relative) sanity of MLW! Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Wild Bill Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA). Its a crown corp isnt it? If you mean the workers, well yeah, but there are airports all over hiring the same underqualified , few floors short of a hi-rise type peope. SunTV had a spot about CATSA yesterday. Apparently, one of their security guards got charged after months if not years of stealing from passengers while they were being screened. Change and knicknacks from the tray as they went through the X-ray machines, a bill or two from their wallets. Worse yet, the offender claims that such theft is common and rampant amongst the screeners! Most times it was just loons and doubloons for coffee money but often it was more serious. Say it ain't so, Joe! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
guyser Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 SunTV had a spot about CATSA yesterday. Apparently, one of their security guards got charged after months if not years of stealing from passengers while they were being screened. Change and knicknacks from the tray as they went through the X-ray machines, a bill or two from their wallets. Worse yet, the offender claims that such theft is common and rampant amongst the screeners! Most times it was just loons and doubloons for coffee money but often it was more serious. Say it ain't so, Joe! No surprise at all. Anytime someone else has control of your goods means your goods are not secure. I wish it aint so Joe, but it is. Quote
William Ashley Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 No surprise at all. Anytime someone else has control of your goods means your goods are not secure. I wish it aint so Joe, but it is. However sometimes your goods are more secure with someone else that with yourself. Example having a million dollar bill in your pocket whilst in a place known for pickpockets, as opposed to having it in a safebox under someone elses kitchen floor. Although I do think it is always a safer bet to secure things that need secured yourself, this is not always the case. But yes if you depend on others for your security a certain degree of trust is involved. Quote I was here.
GostHacked Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 I might add that, so far as I know, we are also the only country in the western world, actually, I believe the only country on the planet now, which still contracts out airport security to low wage, high-turnover security guard agencies, and many of the employees are recent immigrants and refugees. Yeah when I flew to Vancouver a couple years ago (with the firefighter friend) the security agents were pretty rough with my DJ equipment I was taking on board with me. They simply don't give a crap that I am carrying a couple grand worth of equipment, it was treated like a little plastic toy. I cringed when they handled it, and made my complaints very vocal. They did not seem to like that. Quote
GostHacked Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 However sometimes your goods are more secure with someone else that with yourself. Example having a million dollar bill in your pocket whilst in a place known for pickpockets, as opposed to having it in a safebox under someone elses kitchen floor. Although I do think it is always a safer bet to secure things that need secured yourself, this is not always the case. But yes if you depend on others for your security a certain degree of trust is involved. You think your money is safe when storing it in a bank? You can trust the bank, but a good chance that trust will be broken in time. Quote
Argus Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 Umm, the TSA? Seriously, I have absolutely zero complaints about airport security in Canada. I've never had any trouble any time I've flown. They've always been professional and thorough without being a waste of time.....crossing the border on the other hand..... And would you have the slightest idea of what they miss or don't miss when scanning things? No. I think someone pointed out recently, either here or in one of the 9/11 things I saw on TV, that a security video showed an airport screener passing a wand over one of the terrorists, but he missed the metal box cutter in the guy's pocket. You would have watched him and thought "Boy, that screener is thorough and professional!" Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA). Its a crown corp isnt it? If you mean the workers, well yeah, but there are airports all over hiring the same underqualified , few floors short of a hi-rise type peope. Not as airport screeners and security. AS far as I know only Canada does that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 Not as airport screeners and security. AS far as I know only Canada does that. And has it resulted a problem? Not everyone has to actually work for the government, you know. Quote
guyser Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 Not as airport screeners and security. AS far as I know only Canada does that. Im unsure what you mean. CATSA does all security screening at 89 airports in Canada. Quote
CPCFTW Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) I think we'll all feel safer when the hippies stop thinking they're che guevera and that Canada needs an arab spring 6 months after a democratic election. I'm not too afraid though.. I know most Canadians would be happy to curbstomp some rioting hippies alongside the police. Edited September 14, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
dre Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 I think we'll all feel safer when the hippies stop thinking they're che guevera and that Canada needs an arab spring 6 months after a democratic election. I'm not too afraid though.. I know most Canadians would be happy to curbstomp some rioting hippies alongside the police. What a bone-headed strawman. Id shoot myself in the face if I posted that. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
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