Scotty Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 How 'bout you do us a favour and pump the oil,make us some money,and,and zip it??? I don't think he needs to take advice from welfare bums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I don't think he needs to take advice from welfare bums. Your skirt's a little askew,Angus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 If there was a referendum Quebec separatists naively assume that the international community would immediately recognize a UDI by Quebec under any terms. However, all of the precedents are based on examples where secession was an illegal act. In the case of Canada secession is not illegal but must negotiated. The Clarity Act is about establishing a negotiating position for Canada that the international community will acknowledge as reasonable. As long as Canada's position is perceived to be reasonable there will be no recognition and no indepedence for Quebec unless Quebec wants to start a war. get real what century are you living in, this is canada there will be no war should quebec declare independence...50% plus 1 and it's a done deal, any law canada has passed to the contrary becomes moot...and international recognition will be almost immediate (after a short period of grieving/doing nothing)...Libya's rebel government with no democratic procedure has managed to gain recognition from many western countries... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 get real what century are you living in, this is canada there will be no war should quebec declare independence...50% plus 1 and it's a done deal, any law canada has passed to the contrary becomes moot...and international recognition will be almost immediate (after a short period of grieving/doing nothing)...Libya's rebel government with no democratic procedure has managed to gain recognition from many western countries... Sure... They can leave... With their share of the national debt and 2/3rds less of the land they think is theirs... Welcome to Lower Canada!!! Anything less than that,then it's time to force the long march of the secessionists into the the Gulf of St.Laurence..Let'em swim to St.Pierre and Miquelon,France,or,become fish food... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Sure... They can leave... With their share of the national debt and 2/3rds less of the land they think is theirs... Welcome to Lower Canada!!! Anything less than that,then it's time to force the long march of the secessionists into the the Gulf of St.Laurence..Let'em swim to St.Pierre and Miquelon,France,or,become fish food... Oh and no Federal government to prop them up. I'm sure that $7 daycare will be even harder to sustain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Oh and no Federal government to prop them up. I'm sure that $7 daycare will be even harder to sustain. I liked how that pompous jackwagon,Jacques Parizeau,thought that they could seperate and still be associated with Canada...Y'know...Use our money,and by extension (I suppose) use the Bank of Canada as the Quebec central bank??? Eff you,you meaningless traitors!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 (edited) Sure... They can leave... With their share of the national debt and 2/3rds less of the land they think is theirs... Welcome to Lower Canada!!! Anything less than that,then it's time to force the long march of the secessionists into the the Gulf of St.Laurence..Let'em swim to St.Pierre and Miquelon,France,or,become fish food... there will be negotiations no doubt about that but being unreasonable will hurt the the rest of canada as much as quebec, there are no winners in a messy divorce...separation needs to be a peaceful event like the that which divided Czechoslovakia... Edited August 6, 2011 by wyly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 there will be negotiations no doubt about that but being unreasonable will hurt the the rest of canada as much as quebec, there are no winners in a messy divorce...separation needs to be a peaceful event like the that which divided Czechoslovakia... A divorce should be between two equal parties. Not a territory that's been sucking off the gumint teet since the UK allowed them to exist and now wants no part of it. If they choose to separate I'd say eff em. They get nothing. Oh and we're going to go through and rip a part the Trans-Canada highway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Your skirt's a little askew,Angus... I hope it gave you a thrill, twerp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Either way the NDP under her will be un-electable outside of Quebec. But they're never going to go to an election "under her", so I guess your point is moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 But they're never going to go to an election "under her", so I guess your point is moot. Well this is the question. Is her nomination a tool to make Layton look good? I think chances are pretty good Layton doesn't come back at least from how he looked at that press conference. If he does, you're right this debate is pointless. But if he doesn't then we have will have a leadership contest where the factions of the party will become obvious to everyone in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahbody Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 there will be negotiations no doubt about that but being unreasonable will hurt the the rest of canada as much as quebec, there are no winners in a messy divorce...separation needs to be a peaceful event like the that which divided Czechoslovakia... Separatism is dead in Quebec. Duceppe brought it up during the election and the Bloc got wiped out. It there ever is another referendum, it will be on a question of consequence not something vague and emotional based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 there will be negotiations no doubt about that but being unreasonable will hurt the the rest of canada as much as quebec, there are no winners in a messy divorce...separation needs to be a peaceful event like the that which divided Czechoslovakia... This is the great myth! The idea that we have to have "reasonable negotiations" is not supported by human nature. What do you think would happen to any party in power at the time of such negotiations if the people remaining in Canada believe they are being at all "soft" on Quebec? Remember, there will no longer be any votes available from Quebec! They will come solely and only from the rest of Canada, where the bulk of people are likely to be hurt, angry and vengeful! They will want blood and the ruling party had better deliver or they will go down in flames at the next election and likely for the half dozen or so after that! People as a whole will be too emotional to allow your scenario to proceed. Our Jack Weber is a far better example of the average Canadian than you may think. No, we won't likely want to go to armed conflict but we certainly will refuse to give in on much of anything. There will be a lot of "tit for tat" actions. Quebec may wind up erecting tolls on the TransCanada Hwy, nicking the wallets of those traveling to the East Coast to try to raise enough revenue to pay for that $7 daycare. Personally, I believe that if separation ever appears to be a serious threat again non-Quebec leaders should be extremely emphatic about the financial aspects, making it plain to Quebecers just how much money will no longer be available. If there will be no more money from Ottawa this will put immediate pressure on any separatist party to explain just how they will cover the loss. Trudeau's way WORKED at the first referendum! Quebecers are just like any other human beings. They worry about their old age pensions, their "baby bonus", their health plans and unemployment insurance. In the event of a separation, there is no way in Hell the rest of Canada would be inclined to share ANY of that with them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I want to point out there only place Separatism is being talking about is in English Canada. If we could just move on it would die away at this point. Heck when the PQ even says the words in Quebec they drop by 10% in the polls. How about we move on already. If you hate it so much then lets kill it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 A divorce should be between two equal parties. so the US should never have separated from the UK? or Canada from the UK? or the Ukraine from Russia?Not a territory that's been sucking off the gumint teet since the UK allowed them to exist and now wants no part of it. allowed them to exist? they never wanted to be part of Canada from day one...you're not good at the history part of all this are ya... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 But they're never going to go to an election "under her", so I guess your point is moot. since she is a member of a federalist party your point never even makes it to moot...separation will be a provincial decision... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 This is the great myth! The idea that we have to have "reasonable negotiations" is not supported by human nature. What do you think would happen to any party in power at the time of such negotiations if the people remaining in Canada believe they are being at all "soft" on Quebec? Remember, there will no longer be any votes available from Quebec! They will come solely and only from the rest of Canada, where the bulk of people are likely to be hurt, angry and vengeful! They will want blood and the ruling party had better deliver or they will go down in flames at the next election and likely for the half dozen or so after that! People as a whole will be too emotional to allow your scenario to proceed. Our Jack Weber is a far better example of the average Canadian than you may think. No, we won't likely want to go to armed conflict but we certainly will refuse to give in on much of anything. There will be a lot of "tit for tat" actions. Quebec may wind up erecting tolls on the TransCanada Hwy, nicking the wallets of those traveling to the East Coast to try to raise enough revenue to pay for that $7 daycare. Personally, I believe that if separation ever appears to be a serious threat again non-Quebec leaders should be extremely emphatic about the financial aspects, making it plain to Quebecers just how much money will no longer be available. If there will be no more money from Ottawa this will put immediate pressure on any separatist party to explain just how they will cover the loss. Trudeau's way WORKED at the first referendum! Quebecers are just like any other human beings. They worry about their old age pensions, their "baby bonus", their health plans and unemployment insurance. In the event of a separation, there is no way in Hell the rest of Canada would be inclined to share ANY of that with them! there's nothing to be gained by vengeful negotiations and two countries to destroy...jack weber and yourself matter not, rational people will be involved in negotiations... setting up post secession barriers causes enormous damage to economies and yours and Jack's vengeful patriotic hurt egos count for bugger all when jobs are at stake...the EU community of nations is the example we'll follow, open borders, common currency.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearandLoathing Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 How 'bout you do us a favour and pump the oil,make us some money,and,and zip it??? How about we just leave and let you ignorant eastern slithering misfits freeze in the dark? How long HAVE yhou been sucking the welfar tit anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearandLoathing Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 (edited) there's nothing to be gained by vengeful negotiations and two countries to destroy...jack weber and yourself matter not, rational people will be involved in negotiations... setting up post secession barriers causes enormous damage to economies and yours and Jack's vengeful patriotic hurt egos count for bugger all when jobs are at stake...the EU community of nations is the example we'll follow, open borders, common currency.... "Our Jack Weber is a far better example of the average Canadian than you may think. " Then only God can help us. I've lived in this country for six decades and his level of hostility is usually only found in remote farm villages where in breeding includes the livestock. i think I can live without this forum. Good luck to you Edited August 6, 2011 by FearandLoathing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 How about we just leave and let you ignorant eastern slithering misfits freeze in the dark? How long HAVE yhou been sucking the welfar tit anyway? Actually 'you' don't have that option, your American owners do and thankfully they sell to anyone who pays. Less spittle would make your posts enjoyable. You are feisty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 The NDP should be embarassed. Seperatism does not work - hard core communism does not work - soft porn socialism does not work - Why for heavens sake do these people hold ideas that have been historically proven to NOT WORK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 (edited) there's nothing to be gained by vengeful negotiations and two countries to destroy...jack weber and yourself matter not, rational people will be involved in negotiations... setting up post secession barriers causes enormous damage to economies and yours and Jack's vengeful patriotic hurt egos count for bugger all when jobs are at stake...the EU community of nations is the example we'll follow, open borders, common currency.... It's cute that you actually believe this. The EU is a voluntary union of countries. Quebec has absolutely no history as a country and wants to tear apart its current country to declare itself one. These are completely different scenarios and the rest of Canada is guaranteed to be pissed off about their greedy immature Quebec brothers running away from home and tearing apart their beloved country. You might not understand that viewpoint being a separatist apologist, but the vast majority of non-Quebec Canadians have absolute disdain for separatists. The other thing you don't understand is that Quebec does not exactly hold a lot of power in the event of separation. They have a massive provincial debt of over 120 billion, and a provincial budget deficit of around 4.2bil even after receiving almost 8bil in transfer payments, they have an aging population with not much growth. They would have no army, they would have no transfer payments, they would likely have junk bond rated debt after taking on their portion of Canada's debt. They would have absolutely no negotiating power. Edited August 7, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 It's cute that you actually believe this. The EU is a voluntary union of countries. Quebec has absolutely no history as a country and wants to tear apart its current country to declare itself one. These are completely different scenarios and the rest of Canada is guaranteed to be pissed off about their greedy immature Quebec brothers running away from home and tearing apart their beloved country. Wow you really don't know how Canada works. Canada is not a Federation like the states it is a Confederation JUST LIKE THE EUROPEAN UNION. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 (edited) Wow you really don't know how Canada works. Canada is not a Federation like the states it is a Confederation JUST LIKE THE EUROPEAN UNION. Yup in the minds of separatists and separatist apologists Canada is just like the EU. In the minds of everyone else, Canada is simply a country with a whiny province. Edited August 7, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 there's nothing to be gained by vengeful negotiations and two countries to destroy...jack weber and yourself matter not, rational people will be involved in negotiations... setting up post secession barriers causes enormous damage to economies and yours and Jack's vengeful patriotic hurt egos count for bugger all when jobs are at stake...the EU community of nations is the example we'll follow, open borders, common currency.... I'm not denying what you're saying about how there's nothing to be gained by being vengeful. That's exactly what lawyers tell their clients when in the middle of a divorce negotiation. I'm not denying that what you describe would be for the best! I'm stating what I believe to be the reaction of the rest of Canada! Do you believe that I'm wrong? The ruling party at the time would be the one representing the rest of Canada at the negotiations. Do you really think they would retain power the following election if people thought they were "nice" to Quebec? You talk of what you think people SHOULD do! I speak of what they WOULD do! When people are revved up emotionally being calm and rational goes out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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