August1991 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) But among the things the diplomatic missions appear to need in order to do that is new buildings. They’re bursting at the seams and a long-term approach is needed, said the Beijing report by Canadian officials.“Each of the chanceries is at capacity and, in the case of Beijing, the addition of 36 full-time equivalents since 2002 has been accommodated by short-term solutions that have negatively impacted (International Business Development) program staff’s work environment and a client’s image of Canada,” the report said. It and the evaluation of the other posts were carried out in March 2010, but the reports were only posted publicly this month. They found that all of the diplomatic offices were struggling to translate Ottawa’s goals into reality, both individually and as a network of embassies and consulates in the country. Toronto Star1. No Canadian government should spend any money in China unless we get something in return. 2. CIDA must close all its China operations. 3. All governments must aim to spend less money in general. 4. The federal government must spend money in its jurisdictions only, and spend it more wisely. ----- If the federal NDP/Liberal Party continues to advocate "tax-and-spend", it will become the Edsel of Canadian federal politics. I fear that the federal Liberals have already become this. A 1950s car that no one likes - the version of a once popular model. Edited July 22, 2011 by August1991 Quote
Jack Weber Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 Actually,Edsel's are highly sought after because of their rarity... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
August1991 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Report Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Actually,Edsel's are highly sought after because of their rarity... And nowadays, some people seek signed autographs of Henry Wallace or Tommy Douglas too.Heck, God knows what a signed copy of Das Kapital on ebay would fetch. ----- So what? --------------- My point is that the federal government should not spend any money in China. We should shut down all our CIDA, technical assistance sections. I would even close our trade sections. Let private Canadian firms pay for offices in China. Canadian taxpayers should not subsidize in any way any deal with anyone in China. Edited July 22, 2011 by August1991 Quote
Jack Weber Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 And nowadays, some people seek signed autographs of Henry Wallace or Tommy Douglas too. Heck, God knows what a signed copy of Das Kapital on ebay would fetch. ----- So what? --------------- My point is that the federal government should not spend any money in China. We should shut down all our CIDA, technical assistance sections. I would even close our trade sections. Let private Canadian firms pay for offices in China. Canadian taxpayers should not subsidize in any way any deal with anyone in China. I have two signed baseballs by Whitey Ford and Warren Spahn... What about the free market and China's huge economy??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Shady Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 My point is that the federal government should not spend any money in China. We should shut down all our CIDA, technical assistance sections. I would even close our trade sections. Why? Quote
TimG Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 Why?A country that is building air craft carriers does not foreign aid. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 China is NOT our allie...China is NOT our friend - any sucking up to China that has an on going history of genociding millions and millions of it's own will have in the long run no quams about genociding ole whitey of the west. It is bad enough that our buisness elite have betrayed Canadian workers with the import of horrifically badly made China product...turning a profit for themselves while destroying their own nation incrimentally - China is a monster - if you deal with the devil he will double cross you - that's why he is called the devil. We have some privledged types that believe they are immune to the wrath and revenge of China - they are not! China has an intergenerational feud mentality - THEY have not forgiven us for the opium addiction and the ruining of their nation through British profiteering...They still seek revenge and justify our demise via their hand. Quote
Shwa Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 1. No Canadian government should spend any money in China unless we get something in return. We are trading with China now and money spent is an investment. 2. CIDA must close all its China operations. Edicts without reason don't fly. 3. All governments must aim to spend less money in general. Why? 4. The federal government must spend money in its jurisdictions only, and spend it more wisely. So no investment in the "global economy?" Quote
Shady Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 A country that is building air craft carriers does not foreign aid. Spending money in China and foreign aid are two seperate things. The idea that we should never spend any money in China is idiotic. What's wrong with having an embassy? What's wrong with having trade offices? They're going to be the biggest economy in the world. I want a Canadian presence over there. Quote
charter.rights Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) In a discussion I had with MP Daryl Kramp last year he stated that we buy about $80 billion a year from China and export about $15-20 million back mostly in grain and raw resources. Their (the Conservative government) goal was to get China to buy more from Canada in the way of finished products as well as to increase their import of our agricultural products. What he was saying is that by encouraging trade with China, not only are we getting cheap goods, but the goal would be to make them dependent on our finished goods and agricultural products. An increase of $20 billion a year in Canadian exports would have a remarkable effect on our economy here.... Edited July 22, 2011 by charter.rights Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
fellowtraveller Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 In a discussion I had with MP Daryl Kramp last year he stated that we buy about $80 billion a year from China and export about $15-20 million back mostly in grain and raw resources. Their (the Conservative government) goal was to get China to buy more from Canada in the way of finished products as well as to increase their import of our agricultural products. What he was saying is that by encouraging trade with China, not only are we getting cheap goods, but the goal would be to make them dependent on our finished goods and agricultural products. An increase of $20 billion a year in Canadian exports would have a remarkable effect on our economy here.... He said nothing of the sort, you're making stuff up again. Our ability to sell finsiehed , manufactured products to China is as unlikely as any other country in the world doing the same- slim to none. You may have noticed that China can produce manufactured goods much more cheaply than we do. Or maybe you haven't. Our best short term bet is to sell energy and pertrochemicals to an energy starved China and India, but since we are politically unable to reach any kind of agreement on something as simple as building a pipeline from Alberta to British Columbia to get those billions of dollars and thpusands of jobs flowing- we are doomed to sit with our thumbs up our asses and watch yet another opportunity slip away. Quote The government should do something.
Michael Hardner Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 I tried to find some trade numbers for Canada and China but was unsuccessful. They are our 2nd biggest partner though. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
charter.rights Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) He said nothing of the sort, you're making stuff up again. Our ability to sell finsiehed , manufactured products to China is as unlikely as any other country in the world doing the same- slim to none. You may have noticed that China can produce manufactured goods much more cheaply than we do. Or maybe you haven't. Our best short term bet is to sell energy and pertrochemicals to an energy starved China and India, but since we are politically unable to reach any kind of agreement on something as simple as building a pipeline from Alberta to British Columbia to get those billions of dollars and thpusands of jobs flowing- we are doomed to sit with our thumbs up our asses and watch yet another opportunity slip away. Of course he said it. That is where the figures came from. You could ask him if you want. Here are 2009 statistics. 20 seconds on google..... Canadian Trade and Investment Activity: Canada–China Edited July 22, 2011 by charter.rights Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Shwa Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 Our ability to sell finsiehed , manufactured products to China is as unlikely as any other country in the world doing the same- slim to none. You may have noticed that China can produce manufactured goods much more cheaply than we do. Or maybe you haven't. Well apparently you hadn't figured in reality for your little rant: Leading Canadian exports to China, 2006 The data is 5 years old, but still current enough to show you that you don't know what your talking about. Our best short term bet is to sell energy and pertrochemicals to an energy starved China and India, but since we are politically unable to reach any kind of agreement on something as simple as building a pipeline from Alberta to British Columbia to get those billions of dollars and thpusands of jobs flowing- we are doomed to sit with our thumbs up our asses and watch yet another opportunity slip away. Here maybe this will help you out: Welcome to Canada's Export E-Business Portal Quote
TimG Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 Spending money in China and foreign aid are two seperate things.August was talking about CIDA: http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/acdi-cida/acdi-cida.nsf/eng/NIC-5313423-N2AI assume that foreign aid is what was intended by the 'no spending' rant. I agree. No foriegn aid for China. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 Here are 2009 statistics. 20 seconds on google..... Canadian Trade and Investment Activity: Canada–China I couldn't find that. I bow to your Google skills. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
August1991 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Report Posted July 22, 2011 Spending money in China and foreign aid are two seperate things. The idea that we should never spend any money in China is idiotic. What's wrong with having an embassy? What's wrong with having trade offices? They're going to be the biggest economy in the world. I want a Canadian presence over there.More Canadian bureaucrats in China? Let Canadian firms pay for their representatives - not taxpayers. Quote
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