bloodyminded Posted May 26, 2011 Report Posted May 26, 2011 First to join the 13 colonies. First to constitutionally ban slavery. First for public education. First for gay marriage. Now, the first to institute universal health care. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/vermont_the_land_of_healthy_firsts_20110524/ Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Michael Hardner Posted May 26, 2011 Report Posted May 26, 2011 First to join the 13 colonies. First to constitutionally ban slavery. First for public education. First for gay marriage. Now, the first to institute universal health care. Good for them. Providing healthcare is the minimum a wealthy country can do for its people. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
scouterjim Posted May 26, 2011 Report Posted May 26, 2011 First to join the 13 colonies. First to constitutionally ban slavery. First for public education. First for gay marriage. Now, the first to institute universal health care. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/vermont_the_land_of_healthy_firsts_20110524/ Every Republican politician in the US just had heart failure. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 26, 2011 Report Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) First to join the 13 colonies. First to constitutionally ban slavery. First for public education. First for gay marriage. Somebody is playing fast and loose with the facts. The first US state that legalized so called "same sex" marriage was Massachusetts, not Vermont. Vermont was first for civil unions, and was the fifth state to legalize "same sex" marriage. Now, the first to institute universal health care. Nope...not even close. Hawaii did it in 1974 - 1975, and the program was subsequently terminated. Edited May 26, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted May 26, 2011 Report Posted May 26, 2011 this will probably make Vermont healthier, so i'm happy for them. May start a bit of a domino effect ala Saskatchewan as Goodman states. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
punked Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 Somebody is playing fast and loose with the facts. The first US state that legalized so called "same sex" marriage was Massachusetts, not Vermont. Vermont was first for civil unions, and was the fifth state to legalize "same sex" marriage. Somebody is playing fast and loose with the facts here. Vermont was the first state to make Same Sex marriage legal through a law passed in a state legislature. Massachusetts as well as Connecticut and Iowa were were all made legal through a court ruling. So Vermont would be the first to legislate Same sex Marriage. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 Somebody is playing fast and loose with the facts here. Vermont was the first state to make Same Sex marriage legal through a law passed in a state legislature. Massachusetts as well as Connecticut and Iowa were were all made legal through a court ruling. So Vermont would be the first to legislate Same sex Marriage. Wrong again...the courts are part of state government and legal system. Care to point out the "legislation" making same sex marriage legal in Canada? LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 Wrong again...the courts are part of state government and legal system. Care to point out the "legislation" making same sex marriage legal in Canada? LOL! I think it was the Civil Marriage Act. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 I think it was the Civil Marriage Act. Which was preceded by a court ruling that legalized same sex marriage in most provinces. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 Which was preceded by a court ruling that legalized same sex marriage in most provinces. But not all provinces I think Alberta, and PEI it was still not legal so the Legislation made it legal across the country. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 But not all provinces I think Alberta, and PEI it was still not legal so the Legislation made it legal across the country. That's what the word "most" means. Vermont was not the first state to make it legal. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bloodyminded Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Posted May 27, 2011 Somebody is playing fast and loose with the facts. The first US state that legalized so called "same sex" marriage was Massachusetts, not Vermont. Vermont was first for civil unions, and was the fifth state to legalize "same sex" marriage. Nope...not even close. Hawaii did it in 1974 - 1975, and the program was subsequently terminated. Jesus, a bit of a smackdown. Mea culpa. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 Jesus, a bit of a smackdown. Mea culpa. Well, to be fair, I think you were led astray by the author...that was the somebody in my uncertain assessment. No harm...no foul. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bloodyminded Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Posted May 27, 2011 Well, to be fair, I think you were led astray by the author...that was the somebody in my uncertain assessment. No harm...no foul. Oh, it was definitely the fault of the piece's author. But at this stage ("young at being old," as they say, 44 yrs), I might remember not to believe everything I read. (And triple that for anything whiffing of political opinion.) Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
August1991 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 Oh, it was definitely the fault of the piece's author.But at this stage ("young at being old," as they say, 44 yrs), I might remember not to believe everything I read. (And triple that for anything whiffing of political opinion.) Right, wrong, who's counting. I've been wrong enough on this forum to merit several smackdowns.----- The interesting point is that these initiatives occurred at the state level. I think large "countries" run into trouble when they attempt to enforce such policies everywhere. Education, health care, family law (to name a few) are issues of local jurisdictions. Quote
jbg Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 Vermont is a lovely, bucolic state. The employment opportunities for residents are scarce. People who get to enjoy it most are those who have the luxury of being independently wealthy. An anti-growth system that Vermont has in place is really not good. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bud Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 Vermont is a lovely, bucolic state. The employment opportunities for residents are scarce. People who get to enjoy it most are those who have the luxury of being independently wealthy. An anti-growth system that Vermont has in place is really not good. you went from "radical leftist lawyer" to something else to "True Progressive (Leftists Are Reactionaries)" do you struggle with multiple personalities? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
jbg Posted May 28, 2011 Report Posted May 28, 2011 you went from "radical leftist lawyer" to something else to "True Progressive (Leftists Are Reactionaries)" do you struggle with multiple personalities? I'm still a lawyer. And I'll say it's refreshing to see you on other threads, not continuously spilling your anti-Jewish bile. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bud Posted May 30, 2011 Report Posted May 30, 2011 I'm still a lawyer. did you go through a change in how you view the world? how did you go from being a radical leftist lawyer to a true progressive (leftists are reactionaries)? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
jbg Posted May 31, 2011 Report Posted May 31, 2011 did you go through a change in how you view the world? how did you go from being a radical leftist lawyer to a true progressive (leftists are reactionaries)? My views are remarkably consistent except I am willing to listen to rational discussion. Have you learned grammar and punctuation? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bud Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 My views are remarkably consistent except I am willing to listen to rational discussion. Have you learned grammar and punctuation? you pressed reply, but you didn't actually reply to the question that has been asked a few times. how did you go from 'radical leftist lawyer' to 'true progressive (leftists are reactionaries)'? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
jbg Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 you pressed reply, but you didn't actually reply to the question that has been asked a few times. how did you go from 'radical leftist lawyer' to 'true progressive (leftists are reactionaries)'? I went here (link), and selected the dialogue box marked "Member Title". I changed text in box from "Radical Leftist Lawyer" to "True Progressive (Leftists Are Reactionaries)". It really wasn't hard, since I'm not intellectually challenged. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Have you learned grammar and punctuation? Still smarting from being all high and mighty about punctuation while misusing the semi-colon? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jbg Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Still smarting from being all high and mighty about punctuation while misusing the semi-colon? Some people's full colon is full of you know what. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Some people's full colon is full of you know what. Can't really blame them, colonoscopy wait times have nearly doubled in some provinces and only high risk patients easily get them anytime sooner. The bowel purge kits are sold by prescription. http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Colonoscopy+wait+times+double/4439443/story.html Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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