The rest of Canada not cheering for the Canucks?

Black Dog · June 8, 2011

I agree.

Basing penalties on consequences rather than the behaviours that tend to lead to bad consequences is a very poor way to manage a sport.

We do the same thing in our legal system as well, do you take issue with that?

Black Dog · June 8, 2011

real Canadians? A real Canadian spends their time screaming and yelling at players on the TV thinking they can be heard?

I guess real Canadians spend their time in front of computers ranting about sports they don't even watch. :lol:

msj · June 8, 2011

We do the same thing in our legal system as well, do you take issue with that?

Duh, I wonder what my answer might be, duh.... :rolleyes:

sharkman · June 8, 2011

Well I think Rome should have gotten a game or two because of the lateness of the hit. The severity of the injury gets pretty tricky because at the time of the punishment it's a judgement call as to how long the victim will be out.

When Chara pushed the Hab's head into the turnbuckle as they were speeding by, should he have gotten a suspension based on injury? This is a tough one for me. He definitely interfered with the player and should have received a penalty for that.

Black Dog · June 8, 2011

Duh, I wonder what my answer might be, duh....

Oh I see: you're stupid. Why didn't you say so?

Black Dog · June 8, 2011

Well I think Rome should have gotten a game or two because of the lateness of the hit. The severity of the injury gets pretty tricky because at the time of the punishment it's a judgement call as to how long the victim will be out.

They're all judgement calls. I'd like to see them err on the side of severity rather than leniency towards the perpetrators of such hits.

When Chara pushed the Hab's head into the turnbuckle as they were speeding by, should he have gotten a suspension based on injury? This is a tough one for me. He definitely interfered with the player and should have received a penalty for that.

I don't think he intentionally drove the guy into the stanchion. He did receive an interference penalty, but beyond that, there wasn't much suspendable about it. Just one of those things.

Wilber · June 8, 2011

Regardless of what one may think about this particular incident, the NHL has been stunning in its inconsistency regarding this sort of thing. They are continually making it up as they go along. A hell of a way to run a supposedly high level sport.

Michael Hardner · June 8, 2011

The morning DJ on 640 AM in Toronto has openly stated that he's cheering for the Bruins because of excessive cheerleading by the CBC. "Since when did Vancouver become the centre of the universe ?" he asks.

Wilber · June 8, 2011

The morning DJ on 640 AM in Toronto has openly stated that he's cheering for the Bruins because of excessive cheerleading by the CBC. "Since when did Vancouver become the centre of the universe ?" he asks.

Absolutely, everyone knows where the real center of the universe is.

msj · June 8, 2011

Oh I see: you're stupid. Why didn't you say so?

No, not stupid.

Not very polite, on my part, and unnecessarily so.

Edited June 8, 2011 by msj

scouterjim · June 8, 2011

I guess real Canadians spend their time in front of computers ranting about sports they don't even watch.

If fans can rant, non-fans can too!

Jack Weber · June 9, 2011

If fans can rant, non-fans can too!

Spot on!!!

I'm watching the Chicago White Sox hopefully sweep the Seattle Mariners tonight right now!!!

I love MLB Gameday!!!

Shlockey???

Do they still play that???

I thought ice was something found in Winter or a freezer???

dre · June 9, 2011

Chara's hit was illegal, but non intent to injure. As for Ference, well, yeah. But collectively, there's no doucheier team than the Canucks.

I've come up with a term for this: "Canuck logic". It holds that, because the league has screwed up and shown an inconsistent approach before, it should continue to apply the same inconsistency when dealing with (especially when dealing with) a Vancouver player.

And you don't think the severity of the injury should have any bearing on the punishment?

Rome with a blindside headshot to Thornton.

That wasnt a blind side hit... Not even close. The ONLY problem with that hit was that it was LATE. Other than that it was a text book clean body check.

But collectively, there's no doucheier team than the Canucks.

Actually the canucks are one of the cleanest and least penalized teams in hockey.

dre · June 9, 2011

The morning DJ on 640 AM in Toronto has openly stated that he's cheering for the Bruins because of excessive cheerleading by the CBC. "Since when did Vancouver become the centre of the universe ?" he asks.

GOOD! One team he sure as fuck WONT be cheering for in June (of any year) is the leafs.

SF/PF · June 9, 2011

That wasnt a blind side hit... Not even close. The ONLY problem with that hit was that it was LATE. Other than that it was a text book clean body check.

Well, I agree that it wasn't exactly a blind side hit, but there were other problems with the hit; it was late, he was hunting for the head, and he left the ice when he delivered the hit.

So it was much more than just late.

Actually the canucks are one of the cleanest and least penalized teams in hockey.

Likely because they force their opponents penalty minutes upward by flopping around on the ground like the Brazilian soccer team.

Black Dog · June 9, 2011

No, not stupid.

Not very polite, on my part, and unnecessarily so.

Yeah, my reply wasn't very cool either. Mea culpa.

Black Dog · June 9, 2011

That wasnt a blind side hit... Not even close. The ONLY problem with that hit was that it was LATE. Other than that it was a text book clean body check.

Textbook head shot you mean.

Actually the canucks are one of the cleanest and least penalized teams in hockey.

LOLwhut? They were 18 out of 30 teams in the regular season in PIM. Not terrible, but no angels either. Of course that stat doesn't tell the whole story.

sharkman · June 9, 2011

Yeah, I have to admit it was a head shot. Many reports call it a late hit, but his shoulder hit the head. Reports said yesterday that Horton was in the dressing room before game 4 which makes one wonder how severe a "severe concussion" is.

The Canuck defense was brutal on many plays including the 3 out of 4 of the goals scored. The theory is that since Dan Hamhuis is out, the changing pairings have the D out of sync. Hard to say, but for certain if the coaching staff can't come up with adjustments then they are in trouble.

DFCaper · June 9, 2011

The morning DJ on 640 AM in Toronto has openly stated that he's cheering for the Bruins because of excessive cheerleading by the CBC. "Since when did Vancouver become the centre of the universe ?" he asks.

CBC has certainly picked their favorite, but it doesn't seem to be as bad as when the Leafs are on, even if they are playing against another Canadian team...

I am sick of hearing them go on about how dirty Boston is playing when I don't think Thomas made a stop without having 2 Canucks jump on him.

The Sedin's make it hard to cheer for the Canucks. All they do is dive. They play like Russians from the 90's...

Sir Bandelot · June 9, 2011

The Canuck defense was brutal on many plays including the 3 out of 4 of the goals scored. The theory is that since Dan Hamhuis is out, the changing pairings have the D out of sync. Hard to say, but for certain if the coaching staff can't come up with adjustments then they are in trouble.

Agreed, as a defenseman myself they made some really poor plays.

Wilber · June 9, 2011

Chara's hit was illegal, but non intent to injure. As for Ference, well, yeah. But collectively, there's no doucheier team than the Canucks.

I've come up with a term for this: "Canuck logic". It holds that, because the league has screwed up and shown an inconsistent approach before, it should continue to apply the same inconsistency when dealing with (especially when dealing with) a Vancouver player.

And you don't think the severity of the injury should have any bearing on the punishment?

Not sure how coming down with a penalty that is completely inconsistent with others they have made in this situation makes for consistency, but whatever.

The severity of the injury doesn't seem to make for any kind of consistency in the punishment. Rome himself missed several weeks this season due to a concussion from having his head smashed into the boards. There was no penalty called.

Edited June 9, 2011 by Wilber

Black Dog · June 9, 2011

Not sure how coming down with a penalty that is completely inconsistent with others they have made in this situation makes for consistency, but whatever.

Huh? All I was saying that past inconsistencies have little bearing on whether or not this particular one call was the right one.

dre · June 9, 2011

Textbook head shot you mean.

LOLwhut? They were 18 out of 30 teams in the regular season in PIM. Not terrible, but no angels either. Of course that stat doesn't tell the whole story.

Text book shoulder check. Shoulder to head contact has never been illegal, and if you cut across the blueline staring at your own pass youre gonna have a short career. Its a contact sport and you need to have your head up.

The league was quite clear on the hit... if it had not been late it would have been legal.

Now I know theres a lot of pussies out there that just cant stand to see someone get injured... they want guys like Eric Lindros to be able to skate the length of the ice staring at their own laces without getting pounded into oblivion. But the only way you can remove head contact from the game is to take all contact out. End of story.

I have no problem suspending people for cheap shots or intentional blows to the head but this just wasnt one. This was a GREAT hit than 1/2 a second late.

dre · June 9, 2011

Yeah, I have to admit it was a head shot. Many reports call it a late hit, but his shoulder hit the head.

Headshots are legal as long as the hits are clean. The new "headshot" rule (rule 48) does NOT apply to this hit in any way. It applies to players moving laterally across the ice and hitting players from the side. This hit was a north/south play.

If you dont want to get your bell rung then keep your freaking head up. Dont cross the other teams blue line while admiring your own pass.

Rome did EXACTLY what defensmen are taught to do. He stood up the player at his own line and put his shoulder into him. There would have been no injury at all on this play if Horton paid a little attention to the world around him instead of watching his own pass. It was made even worse by the fact Horton was accelerating. Watch the video again and watch Hortons feet. He does two left to right power strides right before the hit right in Romes direction... while looking over into the Corner. Even in my beer league you wont last if you do that.

Edited June 9, 2011 by dre

dre · June 9, 2011

Huh? All I was saying that past inconsistencies have little bearing on whether or not this particular one call was the right one.

Right is entirely subjective. This IS however what I EXPECTED... After Campbell got replaced the league said openly they wanted the new disciplinarians to hand out tougher punishment. They did that. They gave Rome more games than they gave Lemieux when he broke every bone in Cris Drapers face and caused him to have years of reconstructive surgeries with a vicious hit from behind.

This suspension is grossly disproportionate to anything weve ever seen before in the playoffs... but the rules are changing... and the owners of the league want to take fighting and hitting out of the game so they can sell it to basketball fans... so in that context the suspension makes pretty good sense.