Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 How many voters in 40 like the fact that Harper has convicted criminals in his inner circle, or ministers who falsify forms, or shady in-and-out electoral financing practices? As much as you keep playing it it's not working. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 You're right, I forgot, the UK is at war. You forgot Canada wasn't in the U.K. too. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Sorry, and I thought you were going to talk about something current like those fighter jets. After all what's 15-20 billion dollar cost overruns, when you can just stick it to the taxpayer if you can get away with it. Competent fiscal managers my ass. Unless Jack Layton becomes PM the fighters will be bought. The Liberal party entered into an agreement to start funding them years ago, and their only real objection to them now is that the Tories didn't spend a couple of more years in red tape, studies and bidding before agreeing to buy them. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 I absolutely agree with what you are saying here toad!And part of that process is to inform the minority government that they are just that and if they do not co-operate the opposition will seek all their opptions out to implement what they feel is in the best interest of their electorate! In other words to drive a sence of fear into the minority if they do not co-operate. This is a fact and it is in the history books! If your interpretation is different then mine and you don't like it then eat cake buddy! If you want to put up walls thats your problem not mine! WWWTT If it's in the history books, why have you refused to provide any citation on it? Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 You forgot Canada wasn't in the U.K. too. But the systems both remain very close in function. Minority governments are rare in both countries, and coalitions are both very rare. Quote
August1991 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Considering they have double the Liberals' seat count and are up fifteen points or more in the polls I think that's whistling past the graveyard.That's the key point in all this.Take a look at this graph. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 If it's in the history books, why have you refused to provide any citation on it? Provide any citation of what had occured in Ottawa in early 09? What are you talking about? How can I take you serious when you write things like this? You should think about what you are writing and how it reflects upon yourself and how others may view you! Give it up buddy! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Provide any citation of what had occured in Ottawa in early 09? What are you talking about? How can I take you serious when you write things like this? You should think about what you are writing and how it reflects upon yourself and how others may view you! Give it up buddy! WWWTT Evade evade evade Quote
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 But the systems both remain very close in function. Minority governments are rare in both countries, and coalitions are both very rare. The systems are close, the cultures are not so close. I think that if the Liberals had mentioned a coalition prior to the last election it would not have gone over as poorly. But the sudden emergence of one weeks after the election, with a very unpopular, weak, and totally rejected Stephan Dion at the helm seems to have had an overwhelmingly negative cultural impact on Canadians' thinking about coalitions. And quite aside from that, Canadians outside Quebec can't stomach the thought of the BQ as a formal part of any government. Another thought. Exempting French Quebec, the Tories got a massive majority in the last election. As such, I think it's fair to assume that a substantial number of people outside French Quebec feel the Tories are their legitimate representatives. Having the separatist Bloc Quebecois, who openly say they care nothing for Canada, but only for Quebec, change that will infuriate many. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Harry Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) OK, check this one out. CROP For Quebec B - 38% C - 23% N - 20% L - 11% G - 8% Among Francophones B - 44% N - 21% C - 21% L - 7% Le PLC à son plus bas au Québec http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/elections-federales/201103/26/01-4383408-le-plc-a-son-plus-bas-au-quebec.php Edited March 26, 2011 by Harry Quote
True Blue Canadian Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Perhaps. But it is the perception of people that matters. I am genuinely interested how some French Canadians will change their vote if they believe that Harper's Conservatives will form a majority government. I'm also curious to know how some English Canadian voters will change their vote if they believe that Harper will win a majority. This French Canadian will DEFFINATELY be voting conservative. The Bloc has no vision for Canada. They could care less about Canada. They care only about Quebec. A vote for the Bloc is a vote AGAINST Canada. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 This French Canadian will DEFFINATELY be voting conservative. The Bloc has no vision for Canada. They could care less about Canada. They care only about Quebec. A vote for the Bloc is a vote AGAINST Canada. And yet the Bloc will likely keep pretty close to the seat count now... Ah my, how wishful thinking rapidly becomes statements of fact in the mind of a partisan. Quote
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 This French Canadian will DEFFINATELY be voting conservative. The Bloc has no vision for Canada. They could care less about Canada. They care only about Quebec. A vote for the Bloc is a vote AGAINST Canada. What makes you think most Quebecers care about Canada as opposed to only caring about Quebec? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Bryan Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 b]Le PLC à son plus bas au Québec[/b] http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/elections-federales/201103/26/01-4383408-le-plc-a-son-plus-bas-au-quebec.php Wow. Ignatieff's personal support is down to single digits in PQ. Even I didn't think things were THAT bad for the Liberals. They used to be able to count on enough support in Quebec to make up for their absence in the west. Quote
Harry Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 And yet the Bloc will likely keep pretty close to the seat count now... Ah my, how wishful thinking rapidly becomes statements of fact in the mind of a partisan. You got that right TB. The Bloc will get their usual 45-55 seats. If Duceppe ran across Canada it would be amazing the support he would get. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 You got that right TB. The Bloc will get their usual 45-55 seats. If Duceppe ran across Canada it would be amazing the support he would get. Yes, it's too bad in a way he's a separatist. He's frequently the most sensible leader in the House. Quote
Triple M Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 OK, check this one out. CROP For Quebec B - 38% C - 23% N - 20% L - 11% G - 8% Among Francophones B - 44% N - 21% C - 21% L - 7% Le PLC à son plus bas au Québec http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/elections-federales/201103/26/01-4383408-le-plc-a-son-plus-bas-au-quebec.php I haven't been following quebec polling numbers but those are shocking liberal numbers to me. Quote
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 I haven't been following quebec polling numbers but those are shocking liberal numbers to me. Makes one wonder why Ignateiff pushed for an election at this time. Was he just tired of it all, saw no hope of improvement and wanted to get it over with so he could go back to Harvard? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Makes one wonder why Ignateiff pushed for an election at this time. Was he just tired of it all, saw no hope of improvement and wanted to get it over with so he could go back to Harvard? I still think there are internal polling that puts a different face on things than we're seeing thus far. The Tories didn't seem keen for this election and the Opposition seemed bound and determined to force it. Of course, it's possible that we're simply seeing the forces that inevitably see minority governments fall. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Yes, it's too bad in a way he's a separatist. He's frequently the most sensible leader in the House. I'm curious toad,when did Duceppe say he wanted to actually have Quebec seperated from Canada? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 I'm curious toad,when did Duceppe say he wanted to actually have Quebec seperated from Canada? WWWTT A quick Google search of "duceppe separate" gives quotes from 2010. Quote
Harry Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) I'm curious toad,when did Duceppe say he wanted to actually have Quebec seperated from Canada? WWWTT When he was born. I'm joking. It's the thing to do in Quebec, and it's no biggie. Who cares about Quebec separation - it's not as if Quebec is going to get up and move if they want a separate nation, is it? Anyway I like Quebec and it is part of what makes Canada a good place to be. Edited March 26, 2011 by Harry Quote
capricorn Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 I'm curious toad,when did Duceppe say he wanted to actually have Quebec seperated from Canada? WWWTT Duceppe has no choice but to represent the Bloc's raison d'être and to push it forward. From the Bloc's website. MISSIONIts basic mission is the promotion and realization of the sovereignty of Quebec after a democratic decision of Quebecers in this direction. http://www.blocquebecois.org/dossiers/parti/principe.aspx Even if Duceppe resigned as leader the mission of the Bloc would remain unchanged. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
WWWTT Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 A quick Google search of "duceppe separate" gives quotes from 2010. Thanks toad WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
August1991 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 The Quebec poll to watch is this one: Un coup de sonde de la firme Segma pour Le Soleil auprès de 622 personnes place le Bloc québécois à 37 % dans les intentions de vote, contre 30 % pour le Parti conservateur, 14 % pour le Parti libéral, 9 % pour le Nouveau Parti démocratique et 8 % pour le Parti vert. La marge d'erreur est de 4,1 %.«Ces résultats présagent un possible renversement du portrait de la région», évoque Raynald Harvey, de Segma. À l'issue du dernier scrutin fédéral, les conservateurs avaient le meilleur sur les bloquistes à Québec par un score de 36 % à 33 %. Le SoleilWith numbers like this, Harper will not keep his 10 Quebec seats. OTOH, Quebec media has started to talk about a Conservative majority across Canada. If this becomes the norm, then some Quebecer voters will switch from the Bloc to the Conservatives to ensure that they have representation inside government. ----- On a related note, I'm impressed with the NDP numbers in Quebec. The Liberals and the NDP are about equal. Unfortunately for the NDP, their numbers are spread across Quebec whereas the Liberal votes are concentrated in certain areas. I also think that the unpopular Charest and PLQ are bringing down Ignatieff and the PLC. Quote
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