DogOnPorch Posted March 18, 2011 Report Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) Them being the local jurga or "Town Council" or court is a pretty good indicator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jirga No s**t you SAY it was a jirga or a baby milk factory or an orphanage...duh. Edited March 18, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jonsa Posted March 18, 2011 Report Posted March 18, 2011 yes of course it was a bunch of civilians in a jirga in Datta Khel. The compound was owned by North Waziristan Taliban leader Hafiz Gul Bahadar, and was hosting a meeting of "elders loyal to Bahadar" who were "trying to mediate between two warring militant groups inside Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/03/us_predators_strike_22.php#ixzz1Gv0FWJ8i But wait there's more: The Datta Khel area is administered by Hafiz Gul Bahadar, the Taliban commander for North Waziristan. Bahadar provides shelter to top al Qaeda leaders as well as terrorists from numerous Pakistani and Central Asian terror groups. Datta Khel is a known hub of Taliban, Haqqani Network, and al Qaeda activity. While Bahadar administers the region, the Haqqani Network, al Qaeda, and allied Central Asian jihadi groups are also based in the area. The Lashkar al Zil, al Qaeda's Shadow Army, is known to have a command center in Datta Khel. Datta Khel serves as a command and control center for al Qaeda's top leaders, and some of them have been targeted and killed there. A strike in Datta Khel on Dec. 17, 2009, targeted Sheikh Saeed al Saudi, Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law and a member of al Qaeda's Shura Majlis, or executive council. Al Saudi is thought to have survived the strike, but Abdullah Said al Libi, the commander of the Shadow Army, and Zuhaib al Zahibi, a general in the Shadow Army, were both killed in the attack. >>>>>>>>>> Might want to read this article. An entirely different perspective. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 18, 2011 Report Posted March 18, 2011 Yes, I was thinking along the same lines a page back. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18313&view=findpost&p=640929 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 18, 2011 Report Posted March 18, 2011 Also...the entire area is the world's largest gun market bar none. I'm sure some of you know that. They can copy any gun on the planet. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
William Ashley Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) yes of course it was a bunch of civilians in a jirga in Datta Khel. .... State the links to the 35+ people killed. How are they terrorists? This is the blow up their next door neighbour sydrome. You are advocating the murder of 35 innocent people, as well as maiming others. I don't see how creating blood fueds from the families of those killed and maimed really helps fight the war, it only propagates more hate against the US. Demonstrate the people killed not other people in the region. The US already admited their "mistake" officially. US Ambassador Cameron Munter was told "that such strikes were not only unacceptable but also constituted a flagrant violation of humanitarian norms and law," the ministry said in a statement. "They were part of a jirga or council of tribal elders, mediating a dispute between two local tribes in Datta Khel district," a security official said. The jirga had been convened to resolve a feud between two local groups over the ownership of a disputed mine in the region, residents said. "The drones appeared about 30 minutes after the jirga started and fired four missiles at the gathering of 50-60 people. I was wounded and fell unconscious," Inamullah Khan, who lost a leg, told AFP at a state-run hospital in Miranshah. Missile attacks doubled in the area last year to more than 100, killing over 670 people in 2010 compared with 45 strikes that killed 420 in 2009, according to an AFP tally. THEN YOU WONDER WHY IT HAPPENS YOU ARE A BUNCH OF MORONS TO ATTACK CIVILIANS INDISCRIMATELY DID YOU LEARN NOTHING FROM WTC? PESHAWAR: Tribal elders in North Waziristan Agency vowed on Friday to avenge a US-backed drone strike conducted Thursday in Datta Khel area while tribal chieftains from South Waziristan and Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid (PML-Q) leaders belonging to FATA strongly condemned the attack. The lethal predator attack on a tribal jirga, which left over three dozen civilians dead and several injured, has triggered a backlash as an NWA tribal elder, Malik Jalaluddin, declared a jihad against the United States. “We want to avenge the killings. We never forgive our enemy. I allow suicide attacks on Americans,” the elder, who was accompanied by three other influential tribal leaders, said in a news conference. staff report Edited March 19, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
DogOnPorch Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 State the links to the 35+ people killed. How are they terrorists? This is the blow up their next door neighbour sydrome. You are advocating the murder of 35 innocent people. It's already come out that these 'civilians' were elders loyal to the Taliban having a meeting. Sounding more like 'bull's-eye' than 'ooooops'. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
William Ashley Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) It's already come out that these 'civilians' were elders loyal to the Taliban having a meeting. Sounding more like 'bull's-eye' than 'ooooops'. No it sounds more like if you have evidence put it up SPECIFICALLY... if you don't shut your trap and stop spreading your lies. PRESENT ACTUAL EVIDENCE ON THE CIVILIANS KILLED SUBMIT EVIDENCE ON THE ELDERS otherwise your words are hearsay and worth nothing. Take your propaganda elsewhere. "Public Multimedia Inc." it was an open air jirga and the article you state says "taliban militants" this does not mesh with elders. The article you cite is not correct, and I think intentionally so. Yes because Bill R. knows what he is talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Multimedia "Roggio was an active duty soldier in the United States Army in the 1990s." SO much for lack of bias. Hmm curious would Bill lie to deaden the impact of a completely immoral and criminal murder of civilians? Open Air Jirga leader of taliban driving car nearby is not Taliban Lair holding councillors and head of taliban forces. does not equate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-south-asia-12779232 In this instance I would be incline to beleive the BBC over a US soilder on the version of events. take your propaganda and shove it, it is loosing you points. Start equating the rest of the world as being more intelligent than america and you can start to plan appropriately. Edited March 19, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Guest American Woman Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 State the links to the 35+ people killed. How are they terrorists? This is the blow up their next door neighbour sydrome. You are advocating the murder of 35 innocent people, as well as maiming others. It doesn't sound as if it were 35 innocent people (emphasis mine): Two security officials in Peshawar said that 35 people, mostly militants, were killed in the strike. Two intelligence officials in Miranshah confirmed the toll. "We have reports of a few civilian casualties, but most of those killed were local militants," one Miranshah official said. "There were some civilians present inside the training centre. We were told that they came here to seek Taliban help to solve some of their disputes," a second intelligence official told AFP. link How was the U.S. to know that there were innocent civilians inside a training center? It's not 'targeting civilians' to target a training center. Quote
William Ashley Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) It doesn't sound as if it were 35 innocent people (emphasis mine): Two security officials in Peshawar said that 35 people, mostly militants, were killed in the strike. Two intelligence officials in Miranshah confirmed the toll. "We have reports of a few civilian casualties, but most of those killed were local militants," one Miranshah official said. "There were some civilians present inside the training centre. We were told that they came here to seek Taliban help to solve some of their disputes," a second intelligence official told AFP. link How was the U.S. to know that there were innocent civilians inside a training center? It's not 'targeting civilians' to target a training center. The link you quote isn't accurate. As I said present real information don't give me anything from the US, us media is notorious for false reporting. "Two security officials in Peshawar said that 35 people, mostly militants, were killed in the strike." What are their names, who are they security for? My reports of the 60 victims only 13 have potential links to the taliban. This is not "mostly" it is a far cry from mostly. Also that is not a large number considering that it is N. Wazirastan - Pakistan where many people have links to the Taliban. This however does not legitimize a strike killing a score of village elders and innocents. It actually represents killing most of the political parties that arn't supporting the taliban. What it did actually was turn the neutral and pro groups against the US and this wasn't the case prior. Never look for war news from an american media outlet if you want the real information. The US highly censors war info. It also provides false reports, and has embedded the military and CIA into the media to assist in this especially in areas outside of the US. They even kill journalists who report or find out information they don't want reported. Edited March 19, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
DogOnPorch Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 Never look for war news from an american media outlet if you want the real information. WA prefers the Taliban Times for info. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 Kayani's condemnation conflicted with statements provided by Pakistani intelligence officials throughout the day saying the 38 people killed and seven wounded in the attack were militants meeting to discuss sending additional fighters into Afghanistan. The officials said the militants were allied with Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a powerful Pakistani Taliban leader in the area, and even gave the name of a senior militant, Sharabat Khan, who was reportedly killed in the attack. link Again. If innocent civilians were killed, it's not because the U.S. was targeting innocent civilians; it's totally incorrect to say they were targeted. A training center was targeted. If there were innocent civilians in the training center it goes without saying that it's regrettable, but a training center is a legitimate target. Quote
William Ashley Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Posted March 19, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12784675 THE BBC IS NOT THE TALIBAN TIMES. Quote I was here.
Shady Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 Kayani's condemnation conflicted with statements provided by Pakistani intelligence officials throughout the day saying the 38 people killed and seven wounded in the attack were militants meeting to discuss sending additional fighters into Afghanistan. The officials said the militants were allied with Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a powerful Pakistani Taliban leader in the area, and even gave the name of a senior militant, Sharabat Khan, who was reportedly killed in the attack. link Again. If innocent civilians were killed, it's not because the U.S. was targeting innocent civilians; it's totally incorrect to say they were targeted. A training center was targeted. If there were innocent civilians in the training center it goes without saying that it's regrettable, but a training center is a legitimate target. You're exactly right. But to rabid anti-American Americanophobes like William Ashley, facts mean little. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12784675 THE BBC IS NOT THE TALIBAN TIMES. Since British sources evidently have your approval, the Guardian also reports: Kayani's condemnation contradicted statements provided by Pakistani intelligence officials saying the 38 people killed and seven wounded in the attack were militants meeting to discuss sending additional fighters into Afghanistan. The officials said the militants were allied with Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a powerful Pakistani Taliban leader in the area, and even gave the name of a senior militant – Sharabat Khan – who was reportedly killed in the attack. The compound was targeted by two pairs of missiles fired three minutes apart. It was located in the Datta Khel area of the North Waziristan tribal region – the main sanctuary for al-Qaida and Taliban fighters along the Afghan border, said the intelligence officials, speaking on condition of anonymity. Quote
William Ashley Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) Try something from TODAY. YOU KNOW CURRENT INFORMATION ALSO NOT AMERICAN. NOT WRITTEN BY AN AMERICAN, OR AMERICAN AGENT. "most of the dead were tribal elders and police attending an open-air meeting." YOU ARE CONDONING THE MURDER OF DOZENS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS YOU SCUM! Who are the Pakistani intelligence officials who contradict Kayani? "the intelligence officials, speaking on condition of anonymity." hmm well hard to confirm that source as accurate. TRY AGAIN. Yeah I can just imagine that American CIA op talking to the Gaurdian. Edited March 19, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
kimmy Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 The link you quote isn't accurate. How do you know? What makes you such an expert on what's really happening in Pakistan? Your reading comprehension is at a level somewhere between "Toddler" and "Cat". As I said present real information don't give me anything from the US, us media is notorious for false reporting. The article that AW provided was from Agence France-Presse, Einstein. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
William Ashley Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) How do you know? What makes you such an expert on what's really happening in Pakistan? Your reading comprehension is at a level somewhere between "Toddler" and "Cat". The article that AW provided was from Agence France-Presse, Einstein. -k It was Yahoo news and inaccurate, atleast you know the truth. NOW BACK TO THE REAL NEWS! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12784675 Kimmy please don't be a dupe, they are bad for the world. Yeah the French write in English, that's it. By American Foreign Press Edited March 19, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Guest American Woman Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 How do you know? What makes you such an expert on what's really happening in Pakistan? Your reading comprehension is at a level somewhere between "Toddler" and "Cat". My cats are insulted by your observation. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 My cats are insulted by your observation. My cat is asleep and missed that...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kimmy Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) It was Yahoo news and inaccurate, atleast you know the truth. NOW BACK TO THE REAL NEWS! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12784675 Wrong, genius. Yahoo reprints news from other sources. Note the by-line on the article: by Nasir Jaffry Nasir Jaffry – Thu Mar 17, 6:52 pm ETISLAMABAD (AFP) Also notice the AFP logo on the article, and the link that takes you to the AFP home page. But who is AFP? Type Not-for-profit news agency Industry News media Founded Paris (1835) Headquarters Paris, France Products Wire service Employees 2,900 Website www.afp.com The oldest, and third largest news agency in the world. They're French. They have bureaus all over the world. They publish in 6 languages. They enjoy baguettes and wine. -k Edited March 19, 2011 by kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
William Ashley Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Posted March 19, 2011 http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170635.html Quote I was here.
DogOnPorch Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170635.html Yeah...Iran will fill us in on the truth. Make way for Iran...comin' thru with the truth. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kimmy Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 http://www.presstv.ir/detail/170635.html So... you don't consider Agence France-Presse trustworthy... but you want us to watch your link from Makmood Amajinabinabad's state-controlled Iranian news service? You are truly astonishing. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
kimmy Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 Kimmy please don't be a dupe, they are bad for the world. Yeah the French write in English, that's it. Agence France Presse. Not only can they write in English, but also French, Arabic, Portuguese, Spanish, and German! By American Foreign Press have you suffered a blow to the head recently? Do you sometimes smell burnt toast for no reason? How many fingers am I holding up? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
DogOnPorch Posted March 19, 2011 Report Posted March 19, 2011 Careful billy...she can box. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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