pinko Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 President Obama tells us that he’s asked the Pentagon whether the conditions of confinement of Bradley Manning, the soldier charged with leaking state secrets, "are appropriate and are meeting our basic standards. They assure me that they are." If Obama believes that, he’ll believe anything. I would hope he would know better than to ask the perpetrators whether they’ve been behaving appropriately. I can just hear President Nixon saying to a press conference the same thing: "I was assured by the the White House Plumbers that their burglary of the office of Daniel Ellsberg’s doctor in Los Angeles was appropriate and met basic standards." http://original.antiwar.com/daniel-ellsberg/2011/03/11/this-shameful-abuse-of-bradley-manning/ Quote
Shady Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 I've seen no evidence to back up claims of this Manning punk's torture. It's just propaganda from WikiLeaks lovers. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 13, 2011 Report Posted March 13, 2011 Just another copy and paste job from America....no original content or thought provided. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted March 13, 2011 Report Posted March 13, 2011 I've seen no evidence to back up claims of this Manning punk's torture. It's just propaganda from WikiLeaks lovers. I agree. The burden of proof is on those that allege torture. The U.S. Government should not have to prove a negative. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted March 13, 2011 Report Posted March 13, 2011 I've seen no evidence to back up claims of this Manning punk's torture. It's just propaganda from WikiLeaks lovers. I am under the impression that wikileaks is a cia psy-op program. Too convenient to have that much information released at any given time. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
pinko Posted March 13, 2011 Author Report Posted March 13, 2011 I've seen no evidence to back up claims of this Manning punk's torture. It's just propaganda from WikiLeaks lovers. That is because this inconvenient truth runs counter to your right wing ideology. Quote
Shady Posted March 13, 2011 Report Posted March 13, 2011 That is because this inconvenient truth runs counter to your right wing ideology. Evidence isn't ideological. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 13, 2011 Report Posted March 13, 2011 Evidence isn't ideological. Might as well trot out the 'blood libel' bit again. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Chippewa Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) I find that Torture is usually not even a news worthy story. Look at First Nations people in Canada they were Abducted, Tortured, Raped, and Ripped away from there childhoods and nobody cares about it. They endured a 51% death rate in these Canadian Government Funded Religous Church Institutions. All the First Nations got was a quick "Sorry" and 10 Grand for your troubles from the Canadian Government. The Church was never charged under the Racketeering Laws, for moving around known Child Preditors called Priests from Europe to Canada, and then hiding these Priests in the Vatican City. The Pope was never charged for being a Co-Conspirator in the genocide of First Nations people in Canada. The New England Company was never sued for financialy supporting the Church and Genocide. First Nations have revealed that there is 28 mass grave sites containing 100's of thousands of First Nation children who are murdered and slaughtered, while Canada Land Laundering and Stole First Nations Land. Oh ya.. whats that about Torture again>?? Edited March 28, 2011 by Chippewa Quote Canada-- Just A Hotbed For Laundering First Nations Land and Resources
Sir Bandelot Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 I find that Torture is usually not even a news worthy story. Look at First Nations people in Canada they were Abducted, Tortured, Raped, and Ripped away from there childhoods and nobody cares about it. They endured a 51% death rate in these Canadian Government Funded Religous Church Institutions. All the First Nations got was a quick "Sorry" and 10 Grand for your troubles from the Canadian Government. The Church was never charged under the Racketeering Laws, for moving around known Child Preditors called Priests from Europe to Canada, and then hiding these Priests in the Vatican City. The Pope was never charged for being a Co-Conspirator in the genocide of First Nations people in Canada. The New England Company was never sued for financialy supporting the Church and Genocide. First Nations have revealed that there is 28 mass grave sites containing 100's of thousands of First Nation children who are murdered and slaughtered, while Canada Land Laundering and Stole First Nations Land. Oh ya.. whats that about Torture again>?? It's off topic, but nevertheless... http://fnbc.info/indian-mass-graves-be-investigated-international-group Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 I am under the impression that wikileaks is a cia psy-op program. Too convenient to have that much information released at any given time. :lol: Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 I find that Torture is usually not even a news worthy story. Look at First Nations people in Canada they were Abducted, Tortured, Raped, and Ripped away from there childhoods and nobody cares about it. They endured a 51% death rate in these Canadian Government Funded Religous Church Institutions. All the First Nations got was a quick "Sorry" and 10 Grand for your troubles from the Canadian Government. The Church was never charged under the Racketeering Laws, for moving around known Child Preditors called Priests from Europe to Canada, and then hiding these Priests in the Vatican City. The Pope was never charged for being a Co-Conspirator in the genocide of First Nations people in Canada. The New England Company was never sued for financialy supporting the Church and Genocide. First Nations have revealed that there is 28 mass grave sites containing 100's of thousands of First Nation children who are murdered and slaughtered, while Canada Land Laundering and Stole First Nations Land. Oh ya.. whats that about Torture again>?? Polynesians are the largest consumers of spam per capita Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Bryan Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 I am under the impression that wikileaks is a cia psy-op program. Too convenient to have that much information released at any given time. Something is funny, that's for sure. Nothing that was released is really all that damning, and some of it is just not true. One of the leaks claimed that Castro banned "Sicko" in Cuba, which is laughable because it's been in theatres, on TV and is streamed on the official govt website there. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 I've seen no evidence to back up claims of this Manning punk's torture. It's just propaganda from WikiLeaks lovers. How would you "see" it? All we ever hear in such cases are claims and people backing up those claims; we rarely "see" evidence. I have no idea why you would refer to him as a "punk," either. If what he's saying is true, he tried to do the right thing. Time, I hope, will tell one way or the other, but as for now, we aren't in the position to "see" evidence of it nor to judge. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Who's "we"? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
jbg Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Polynesians are the largest consumers of spam per capita Always good for a laugh. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) Evidently Manning is in the running for Time's Man of the Year. link Edited to add: Or maybe not. Looks as if that might be a special voting. Julian Assange is apparently up for it, though. link Edited April 14, 2011 by American Woman Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Recently, when protesters asked President Obama about Manning's treatment, Obama responded: We're a nation of laws. We don't let individuals make their own decisions about how the laws operate. He broke the law. Really? "He broke the law"? So, there's no need for a trial, I take it? I thought Obama was a Constitutional scholar. He must have forgotten those complex and arcane aspects of law about presumption of innocence and other such irritants. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 ...I thought Obama was a Constitutional scholar. He must have forgotten those complex and arcane aspects of law about presumption of innocence and other such irritants. He is, and there is no such explicit presumption in the US Constitution. Such consideration is derived from Amendments in theory, if not in practice. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bloodyminded Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) He is, and there is no such explicit presumption in the US Constitution. Such consideration is derived from Amendments in theory, if not in practice. Fair enough; I did not know this. Still, Obama asserting the man's guilt is...premature, is it not? Particularly when Manning is to be tried by military officers, and the person declaring his guilt is their Commander-in-chief. If he's guilty, and this is obvious, why bother with a trial at all? Edited April 23, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 ...Still, Obama asserting the man's guilt is...premature, is it not? Particularly when Manning is to be tried by military officers, and the person declaring his guilt is their Commander-in-chief. True, but the assertion of his guilt by Obama is still subordinate to the process you describe. Being more precise, perhaps Mr. Obama should have "alleged" that he broke the law. If he's guilty, and this is obvious, why bother with a trial at all? He would have to plead guilty. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bloodyminded Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 True, but the assertion of his guilt by Obama is still subordinate to the process you describe. Being more precise, perhaps Mr. Obama should have "alleged" that he broke the law. No question. Some have argued that Obama spoke off the cuff, the way people often do when speaking of someone who's incarcerated. If that's the case, it's a somewhat unbecoming remark for a President to make--a gaffe--but that's about it. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 No question. Some have argued that Obama spoke off the cuff, the way people often do when speaking of someone who's incarcerated. If that's the case, it's a somewhat unbecoming remark for a President to make--a gaffe--but that's about it. A safe gaffe to make save for the Wikileaks faithful. Perps are perps in the popular conscience and media once incarcerated even without being charged. Major Hasan killed 13 people in Texas, but he is still presumed innocent until proven guilty! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Pliny Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 No question. Some have argued that Obama spoke off the cuff, the way people often do when speaking of someone who's incarcerated. If that's the case, it's a somewhat unbecoming remark for a President to make--a gaffe--but that's about it. A gaffe is simply unbecoming of a constitutional expert? It's merely a gaffe? I might excuse Bush for that kind of gaffe but not a constitutional expert!!! Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
bloodyminded Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) A gaffe is simply unbecoming of a constitutional expert? It's merely a gaffe? I might excuse Bush for that kind of gaffe but not a constitutional expert!!! I'm inclined to trust BC_2004's take on this particular matter. And I have no particular love or admiration for Obama, if that's what you're implying. Bush's gaffes were trivial and over-scrutinized as well, as you no doubt agree. Edited April 24, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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