M.Dancer Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 It's about the Conservatives ending a long history of support for foreign aid groups. I agree. Which is why I am not particularly concerned about it. Good for her I say, better a bad thing ended late than not at all. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Scotty Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 But it has much to do with his managerial abilities and his poor judgment of staff hiring/assessment. Maybe this will help to explain things. According to this story the relative insecurity of a minority parliament has had all parties scrambling to find experienced people willing to give up their secure jobs for a run on the Hill which might only last a few months. As a result, a lot of the aides up there are only in their twenties. Kids on the Hill Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
The_Squid Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 Minesterial aides who are on the clock and supposed to be doing Ministry business should not be trying to plan partisan strategy and sending out partisan political correspondence on Ministry letterhead. This should be paid for by the party and done on tha party's time, not paid for by the taxpayers who are supposed to be getting "value for dollar" for their money. This is really a no-brainer.... I'm sure the Conservative party will pay back taxpayers for all the time and materials spent on partisan work instead of government work.... This should be something the Auditor General investigates... Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 What can they do about it? Nothing. The Liberals or NDP will never win the next election so suck it up...lol. I love watching the left wing go crazy and their's nothing they can do about it except flop around on the deck like a fish out of water. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
eyeball Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Documents sent to Conservative MPs asking their riding associations for money to finance a pre-election ad buy in Chinese and South Asian language media, clearly used Long Form Census data both for estimating target population sizes, and determining the party's vote strength in those cultural communities. Pundit's Guide How ironic. Edited March 4, 2011 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Molly Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 If it is not inefficiency, it is certainly inadequate training and familiarization of long established rules. I figure there's enough evidence in to call it contempt for long-established rules. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Mr.Canada Posted March 5, 2011 Report Posted March 5, 2011 If rules were broken they were broken by a Minister Kenney staffer not by Minister Kenney himself. That staffer has been terminated for using the letterhead that he wasn't supposed to use. Case closed. The Honorable Minister Kenney has taken swift and decisive action against a rule breaker. However we still have the indiscretion of Ms. Linda Duncan's staffer who used parliamentary funds to further partisan goals on behalf of Ms. Linda Duncan and the NDP on a partisan blog. Why has she not taken any action to discipline her staffer? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
eyeball Posted March 5, 2011 Report Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) If rules were broken they were broken by a Minister Kenney staffer not by Minister Kenney himself. That staffer has been terminated for using the letterhead that he wasn't supposed to use. Case closed. The Honorable Minister Kenney has taken swift and decisive action against a rule breaker. Didn't Jason Kenney himself once state that Ministers should resign when their staffers screw up? Yes he did. Check out Power Play http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110304/opposition-calls-on-kenney-to-resign-110304/ Edited March 5, 2011 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
GWiz Posted March 5, 2011 Author Report Posted March 5, 2011 Didn't Jason Kenney himself once state that Ministers should resign when their staffers screw up? Yes he did. Check out Power Play http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110304/opposition-calls-on-kenney-to-resign-110304/ You'd think the opposition would ask Kenney about that wouldn't you? Oh, wait, they couldn't, Kenny was at a funeral in Pakistan... "Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it." Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
WIP Posted March 5, 2011 Report Posted March 5, 2011 Minesterial aides who are on the clock and supposed to be doing Ministry business should not be trying to plan partisan strategy and sending out partisan political correspondence on Ministry letterhead. This should be paid for by the party and done on tha party's time, not paid for by the taxpayers who are supposed to be getting "value for dollar" for their money. This is really a no-brainer.... I'm sure the Conservative party will pay back taxpayers for all the time and materials spent on partisan work instead of government work.... This should be something the Auditor General investigates... I am so inclined to presume corruption in government, that I usually expect every administration to be looking for ways to cheat to their advantage. What draws my attention to these growing Conservative scandals is that back when Harper was running for election in 2006, he was calling it a referendum on corruption of the Chretien-Martin governments. Should I expect Michael Ignatieff to call the next federal election campaign....whenever it comes...a referendum on the corruption within the Harper Government? Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
cybercoma Posted March 5, 2011 Report Posted March 5, 2011 I am so inclined to presume corruption in government, that I usually expect every administration to be looking for ways to cheat to their advantage. What draws my attention to these growing Conservative scandals is that back when Harper was running for election in 2006, he was calling it a referendum on corruption of the Chretien-Martin governments. Should I expect Michael Ignatieff to call the next federal election campaign....whenever it comes...a referendum on the corruption within the Harper Government? There's only one thing left to do then. Vote NDP and give them a chance to show their form of corruption and pick from the best of the worst in subsequent elections. Quote
Topaz Posted March 5, 2011 Report Posted March 5, 2011 If rules were broken they were broken by a Minister Kenney staffer not by Minister Kenney himself. That staffer has been terminated for using the letterhead that he wasn't supposed to use. Case closed. The Honorable Minister Kenney has taken swift and decisive action against a rule breaker. However we still have the indiscretion of Ms. Linda Duncan's staffer who used parliamentary funds to further partisan goals on behalf of Ms. Linda Duncan and the NDP on a partisan blog. Why has she not taken any action to discipline her staffer? I could be wrong, BUT, I think it was a university student and NOT a staffer for the NDP. When Linda Duncan realized what had happen she correct the problem but the Tories didn`t want to reveal that info. Aslo. If the Tory staff had sent it to the Tory, the Tories would be talking about it would they, they would just let it slide. Quote
William Ashley Posted March 5, 2011 Report Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Fired+staffer+followed+orders+Tories/4389141/story.html Not the fall guy... Says Kenney Ordered it. Edited March 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
cybercoma Posted March 5, 2011 Report Posted March 5, 2011 "Minister Kenney gave the instruction to have riding associations contacted," said Velshi. "But as is always the case in these matters, he fully expected that this would be done after hours and on the appropriate letterhead."Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Fired+staffer+followed+orders+Tories/4389141/story.html#ixzz1FkAeSLYD Last I checked, asking employees to work off the clock is illegal. Quote
GWiz Posted March 5, 2011 Author Report Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) Last I checked, asking employees to work off the clock is illegal. IF any "Party Business" is done from a Minister's Parliamentary Office, it's WRONG, period... It's equally WRONG for any PARTY'S MP using their Parliamentary Office for "Party Business", just a little less so since they DON'T hold the POWER a Government Minister does... 85% of respondants to the CBC Power and Politics question say Kenney should resign which I found quite interesting since nobody cares about these issues according to some people here... CTV News Channel had a very simular response I believe... Edited March 5, 2011 by GWiz Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
GWiz Posted March 5, 2011 Author Report Posted March 5, 2011 There's only one thing left to do then. Vote NDP and give them a chance to show their form of corruption and pick from the best of the worst in subsequent elections. Heaven forbid! EVERY NDP vote brings us closer to another "Harper Government" when they "slide through" between Liberals and the NDP just like the last few elections... Shame on you for even suggesting it... 1/3 of the VOTERS RULING OVER 2/3 of the VOTERS is NEVER a good thing... Not even to teach Canadians a lesson... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
ToadBrother Posted March 5, 2011 Report Posted March 5, 2011 IF any "Party Business" is done from a Minister's Parliamentary Office, it's WRONG, period... It's equally WRONG for any PARTY'S MP using their Parliamentary Office for "Party Business", just a little less so since they DON'T hold the POWER a Government Minister does... 85% of respondants to the CBC Power and Politics question say Kenney should resign which I found quite interesting since nobody cares about these issues according to some people here... CTV News Channel had a very simular response I believe... Oh give me a break. This sanctimonious nonsense makes me want to vomit. MPs on both sides of the aisle all too often abuse their office staff and equipment for political ends. This is too much of the pot calling the kettle black. Here's my solution. Every incidence like this shouldn't end up in resignation, it should end up in a $50,000 fine, half of it payable by the MP in question and half of it by the party. Quote
Evening Star Posted March 6, 2011 Report Posted March 6, 2011 I could be wrong, BUT, I think it was a university student and NOT a staffer for the NDP. When Linda Duncan realized what had happen she correct the problem but the Tories didn`t want to reveal that info. This is correct: The email Baird was referring to was in fact sent by a member of the University of Alberta youth NDP wing, who was rallying support for Duncan. It advised interested campaign volunteers to contact her office and it listed the name and email address of one of Duncan's staff. Duncan said once her office realized that had happened, the youth organizers were advised to remove the contact information. from http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/03/04/pol-kenney-letter-reax.html Quote
GWiz Posted March 6, 2011 Author Report Posted March 6, 2011 Oh give me a break. This sanctimonious nonsense makes me want to vomit. MPs on both sides of the aisle all too often abuse their office staff and equipment for political ends. This is too much of the pot calling the kettle black. Here's my solution. Every incidence like this shouldn't end up in resignation, it should end up in a $50,000 fine, half of it payable by the MP in question and half of it by the party. Your self righteous crap shows me exactly how this is playing out... Hope you didn't vomit over your keyboard, I know I'm not THAT lucky... Cry me a river! If you don't like what you're reading, tell your boys and girls on the hill to quit screwing up... This "everybody does it" nonsense isn't playing to anyone with half a brain... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted March 6, 2011 Report Posted March 6, 2011 Your self righteous crap shows me exactly how this is playing out... Hope you didn't vomit over your keyboard, I know I'm not THAT lucky... Cry me a river! If you don't like what you're reading, tell your boys and girls on the hill to quit screwing up... This "everybody does it" nonsense isn't playing to anyone with half a brain... I think what the Toadster is getting at is the usual sanctimonious drivel the Liberal Party uses as a scare tactic about voting for the Dips is a vote for the Cons... Perhaps...Just perhaps...It's up to the Liberal Party to give the voting populous something...ANYTHING...To vote for???? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted March 6, 2011 Report Posted March 6, 2011 Perhaps...Just perhaps...It's up to the Liberal Party to give the voting populous something...ANYTHING...To vote for???? No kidding....and so far, I can't see a single reason. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 6, 2011 Report Posted March 6, 2011 No kidding....and so far, I can't see a single reason. This is the problem with the Liberal Party... They are trying to scare potential voters that might vote for the NDP inot voting for the Liberals without any real reason to do so... It's not the NDP's fault that Liberals are so completely bereft of any real policy options that the NDP seem like a viable option for the slightly left of centre voter.. That's fault lies solely with the lIberal Party and it's colossal inability to compete in the arena of societal ideas.. And does anyone really think that Mr.Ignatieff would do anything substantively different from anything Mr.Harper has done?? I don't... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
jbg Posted March 6, 2011 Report Posted March 6, 2011 Your self righteous crap shows me exactly how this is playing out... Hope you didn't vomit over your keyboard, I know I'm not THAT lucky... Maybe he has a touchscreen. And maybe some here are obsessed by what others do on their computer. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Evening Star Posted March 6, 2011 Report Posted March 6, 2011 (edited) And does anyone really think that Mr.Ignatieff would do anything substantively different from anything Mr.Harper has done?? I don't... I've never been an Ignatieff fan but: More arts/culture funding, less of a business-oriented focus for SSHRC funding, less restriction of govt scientists' communication with the media, preservation of the mandatory long-form census, no anti-abortion foreign aid policies, less funding of Bible colleges, less severe drug policies, less of a focus on building prisons. I do agree that they'd be pretty close on other major issues. Edited March 6, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
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