Fox News North?

Shady · March 6, 2011

No, truth isn't in the eye of the beholder.

A truth is a truth is a truth.

You mean like your bogus and misleading hit piece entiteled "Feds give $1B to Vale to Kill Jobs in Thompson" :lol:

WIP · March 6, 2011

You mean like NBC News fabricating a report on GM truck fires, and then admitting that they made the whole thing up? Or CBS News, fabricating George Bush's National Guard documents, and then admitting they made the whole thing up? Or like The New York Times and Jayson Blair, admitting to completely fabricating serveral stories. Or like CNN admitting to covering up stories of Saddam Hussein in order for them to keep a bureau open in Bagdad? You mean like that stuff?

Yeah, I also hate those damn false and misleading news outlets.

NBC and CNN are trying to curry favour with the same corporate interests that Fox gets payed by. They are courtiers of corporate and government power, rather than critics...so what else is new, except that the rightwing doesn't consider them to be slavish enough in their devotion to corporate power: FAIR: Lobbying for Dictators a 'Precarious,' 'Uneasy' Business...wherein the primary house organ newsapers - NY Times, Washington Post are unmasked by FAIR for their attempts to portray U.S.-backed Middle East despots in as flattering terms as possible. Also on FAIR: Newsweek Defends Drones Plays down civilian deaths, legal questions a review of Newsweek's misleading attempts to defend robot warfare against civilian targets in Afghanistan.

But here's where FoxNews has them all beat: Leaked memos reveal how Fox News spun health care debate At Fox, there "reporters" get daily briefing memos telling them to use the same misleading terms that are handed out to Republican politicians!

Fox News has been accused before of promoting Republican talking points. Now, the Daily Beast reveals internal memos from Fox News executives that "echoed a key GOP talking point" during year's health care debate.

In October 2009, as the Democrats introduced a public insurance option, Fox's Washington managing editor, Bill Sammon, issued a memo to staff about how to describe the plan.

"Please use the term 'government-run health insurance,' or, when brevity is a concern, 'government option,' whenever possible," wrote Sammon, who also doubles as a conservative commentator when not overseeing news coverage.

scribblet · March 6, 2011

That's because the Americans want to remain the top dogs for free speech....Canada has something...less.

A lot less... but by applauding I meant that they were applauding the misinformation in that piece, they seem to believe that Fox News isn't in Canada and or that SunTV is not coming to Canada - both are. Not to mention that 1) no one has ever been charged under that regulation and 2) it was about the constitutionality of the act, Kennedy Jr. seems not to know any of that.

Speaking about Kennedy, I didn't realize how bat sh.t crazy he really is, I read some other pieces and learned today that just recently an earlier piece he wrote had to be retracted.

http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/salon-retracts-2005-robert-f-kennedy-jr-piece-on-alleged-autism-vaccine-link/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/02/25/crtc-false-news.html

Liberal MP Andrew Kania, co-chairman of the joint parliamentary committee on scrutiny of regulations, challenged von Finckenstein's interpretation of what happened.
He said the committee never ordered the CRTC to do anything. It only asked, 10 years ago, that the CRTC consider whether the blanket ban on false news might violate freedom of speech guarantees in the Charter of Rights. The request was prompted by a Supreme Court ruling in the case of Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel.

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Only last week, in the wake of the public outcry over the CRTC's proposed change, did the committee consider the substance of the issue. Kania said committee members concluded that free speech guarantees don't apply to broadcast licence holders in the same way as they do to individuals.

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bloodyminded · March 6, 2011

It's one of many examples. But it illustrates my point perfectly. Misleading news is in the eye of the beholder. And it shouldn't be the government.

Btw, many people would agree that the item's flaws definitely don't move it outside the bounds of CBC policy. Because CBC policy seems to be generally to mislead in a liberal-bias kinda way anyways!

No they don't.

bloodyminded · March 6, 2011

NBC and CNN are trying to curry favour with the same corporate interests that Fox gets payed by. They are courtiers of corporate and government power, rather than critics...so what else is new, except that the rightwing doesn't consider them to be slavish enough in their devotion to corporate power: FAIR: Lobbying for Dictators a 'Precarious,' 'Uneasy' Business...wherein the primary house organ newsapers - NY Times, Washington Post are unmasked by FAIR for their attempts to portray U.S.-backed Middle East despots in as flattering terms as possible. Also on FAIR: Newsweek Defends Drones Plays down civilian deaths, legal questions a review of Newsweek's misleading attempts to defend robot warfare against civilian targets in Afghanistan.

But here's where FoxNews has them all beat: Leaked memos reveal how Fox News spun health care debate At Fox, there "reporters" get daily briefing memos telling them to use the same misleading terms that are handed out to Republican politicians!

Fox News has been accused before of promoting Republican talking points. Now, the Daily Beast reveals internal memos from Fox News executives that "echoed a key GOP talking point" during year's health care debate.

In October 2009, as the Democrats introduced a public insurance option, Fox's Washington managing editor, Bill Sammon, issued a memo to staff about how to describe the plan.

"Please use the term 'government-run health insurance,' or, when brevity is a concern, 'government option,' whenever possible," wrote Sammon, who also doubles as a conservative commentator when not overseeing news coverage.

Just so.

Or we could point out the story--investigated and published by the NYTimes, but assiduously avoided by ALL the tv news networks--of the outright, Soviet-style government propaganda used to sell the Iraq war, in which "independent analysts" (all of them pro-war) were actually direct mouthpieces for the Pentagon and the White House (who called these "analysts" "message force multipliers," about as Orwellian a moniker as one could wish for). They'd meet with top officials....receive their talking points...and then go tv as "independent analysts." Awesome.

Shady · March 6, 2011

NBC and CNN are trying to curry favour with the same corporate interests that Fox gets payed by. They are courtiers of corporate and government power, rather than critics...so what else is new, except that the rightwing doesn't consider them to be slavish enough in their devotion to corporate power: FAIR: Lobbying for Dictators a 'Precarious,' 'Uneasy' Business...wherein the primary house organ newsapers - NY Times, Washington Post are unmasked by FAIR for their attempts to portray U.S.-backed Middle East despots in as flattering terms as possible. Also on FAIR: Newsweek Defends Drones Plays down civilian deaths, legal questions a review of Newsweek's misleading attempts to defend robot warfare against civilian targets in Afghanistan.

But here's where FoxNews has them all beat: Leaked memos reveal how Fox News spun health care debate At Fox, there "reporters" get daily briefing memos telling them to use the same misleading terms that are handed out to Republican politicians!

Fox News has been accused before of promoting Republican talking points. Now, the Daily Beast reveals internal memos from Fox News executives that "echoed a key GOP talking point" during year's health care debate.

In October 2009, as the Democrats introduced a public insurance option, Fox's Washington managing editor, Bill Sammon, issued a memo to staff about how to describe the plan.

"Please use the term 'government-run health insurance,' or, when brevity is a concern, 'government option,' whenever possible," wrote Sammon, who also doubles as a conservative commentator when not overseeing news coverage.

CBC reporter fed questions to Liberal MP
OTTAWA – The CBC has started an internal investigation and possible disciplinary process after one of its parliamentary reporters suggested questions to a Liberal MP on the Commons ethics committee.

Link

Congrats CBC, Fox News would be proud! :lol:

BubberMiley · March 6, 2011

Congrats CBC, Fox News would be proud!

Is that why Sun News has already hired that CBC reporter (you know, the one with the Tory MP boyfriend)?

waldo · March 6, 2011

Congrats CBC, Fox News would be proud!

dagnabit... BM beat me to it! Ya, ya, Shady... so proud... that FoxNewsNorth hired the reporter in question - not such a biggee then, right? - CBC releases response to Conservative Party of Canada complaint

but, hey now... that's the Doug Finley who complained to the CBC... former Director of Political Operations of the Conservative Party... the guy given the "Harper Government" nod up into the Senate Chamber... Diane's guy... the guy now under intense scrutiny for breaking election laws. Is he also complaining about the related CBC coverage of that little ditty?

Shady · March 6, 2011

Is that why Sun News has already hired that CBC reporter (you know, the one with the Tory MP boyfriend)?

Considering the way CBC threw her under the bus, I'm not suprised she left.

waldo · March 6, 2011

Considering the way CBC threw her under the bus, I'm not suprised she left.

left? You mean like 3 years later... to join FoxNewsNorth!... so the transgression you speak of couldn't be soooo bad, hey - not if FNN hired her? As for 'throwing under the bus', she wasn't fired... simply reassigned. Is there a threshold Shady metering factor that applies to one being "thrown under the bus"? Why that even reads like you're suggesting improper internal handling by CBC - that she wasn't treated fairly. Surely you're not making a case that what Krista Erickson did wasn't an issue - is that what you're saying now Shady?

Shady · March 6, 2011

left? You mean like 3 years later... to join FoxNewsNorth!... so the transgression you speak of couldn't be soooo bad, hey - not if FNN hired her? As for 'throwing under the bus', she wasn't fired... simply reassigned. Is there a threshold Shady metering factor that applies to one being "thrown under the bus"? Why that even reads like you're suggesting improper internal handling by CBC - that she wasn't treated fairly. Surely you're not making a case that what Krista Erickson did wasn't an issue - is that what you're saying now Shady?

Just because it was the first time CBC got caught, doesn't mean it was their first operation into such activity. Anyone that watches CBC knows the the Liberals hold a very special place in their hearts.

However, it's a great excuse for CBC deniers. "Hey, that blantantly paristan thing they did, well, it wasn't blatantly partisan, because somebody that was involved, was hired at a different network." :rolleyes:

"Oh, and they have a boyfriend of a different political persuation than the CBC too!" :rolleyes:

bloodyminded · March 6, 2011

Just because it was the first time CBC got caught, doesn't mean it was their first operation into such activity. Anyone that watches CBC knows the the Liberals hold a very special place in their hearts.

However, it's a great excuse for CBC deniers. "Hey, that blantantly paristan thing they did, well, it wasn't blatantly partisan, because somebody that was involved, was hired at a different network."

"Oh, and they have a boyfriend of a different political persuation than the CBC too!"

But elsewhere, you've said they have a "far left agenda."

You can't have it both ways: they are Liberal Party shills...or they would consider the Liberal Party almost indistinguishable from the Conservatives (which is certainly the "far left" view), and would dislike the Party very much.

Which is it?

Or does it depend on what right-wing blog you've been reading on a particular day?

Edited March 6, 2011 by bloodyminded

bush_cheney2004 · March 6, 2011

Just because it was the first time CBC got caught, doesn't mean it was their first operation into such activity. Anyone that watches CBC knows the the Liberals hold a very special place in their hearts.

That's what we thought when MSNBC careened wildly left....America now had their own CBC South.

waldo · March 6, 2011

Just because it was the first time CBC got caught, doesn't mean it was their first operation into such activity. Anyone that watches CBC knows the the Liberals hold a very special place in their hearts.

does your Shady (unsubstantiated) claim that the CBC holds a Liberal bias, extend to also suggest that the CBC or it's ombudsman has never had to respond to Liberal party complaints/concerns over CBC broadcasting?

BubberMiley · March 6, 2011

That's what we thought when MSNBC careened wildly left....America now had their own CBC South.

"We" thought that?

Shakeyhands · March 6, 2011

does your Shady (unsubstantiated) claim that the CBC holds a Liberal bias, extend to also suggest that the CBC or it's ombudsman has never had to respond to Liberal party complaints/concerns over CBC broadcasting?

OH! OH! OH! Show us that one Waldo!!!!

bush_cheney2004 · March 7, 2011

"We" thought that?

Yes...but fortunately....just as in Canada...CBC South sucks for ratings share.

BubberMiley · March 7, 2011

Yes...but fortunately....just as in Canada...CBC South sucks for ratings share.

I'm sure. So much so that your "we" is the most singular "we" in history.

If you really are south of the border, you and jbg share the distinction of being the only two truly canuck-obsessed Americans. I guess he's the other guy you need to make your pronoun plural. :lol:

bush_cheney2004 · March 7, 2011

...If you really are south of the border, you and jbg share the distinction of being the only two truly canuck-obsessed Americans. I guess he's the other guy you need to make your pronoun plural.

As has been demonstrated many times....America and Americans would still be here. Seemingly, nothing can be discussed or defined without "US"....Fox News North is yet another perfect example.

BubberMiley · March 7, 2011

Fox News North is yet another perfect example.

Glad to help you get over your inferiority complex. Soon you may even be able to spend a day without worrying what the Canadians think.

bush_cheney2004 · March 7, 2011

Glad to help you get over your inferiority complex. Soon you may even be able to spend a day without worrying what the Canadians think.

And miss out on this much fun? Not a chance.

Canadians think...about Americans!

BubberMiley · March 7, 2011

Canadians think...about Americans!

And supposed Americans...don't understand what irony.

I guess that's why they pay them the big bucks for being "versed" in talking on the Internet all day. :lol:

bush_cheney2004 · March 7, 2011

And supposed Americans...don't understand what irony.

Nor do they care....it's about the US!

I guess that's why they pay them the big bucks for being "versed" in talking on the Internet all day.

Well, it's not actually "talking", but since the Americans invented it with Al Gore's help, why the hell not?

Shady · March 7, 2011

does your Shady (unsubstantiated) claim that the CBC holds a Liberal bias, extend to also suggest that the CBC or it's ombudsman has never had to respond to Liberal party complaints/concerns over CBC broadcasting?

I'm sure they have. In the same way that MSNBC gets complaints from Democrats once in a while. And in the same way Fox News gets complaints from Republicans from time to time.