PIK Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 The same group that said canada does not deserve a seat on the secruity council, ,the libs and dippers owe the country and the PM a apology, and then hang thier heads in shame. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/28/council-poised-adopt-report-praising-libyas-human-rights-record/# Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 The same group that said canada does not deserve a seat on the secruity council, ,the libs and dippers owe the country and the PM a apology, and then hang thier heads in shame. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/28/council-poised-adopt-report-praising-libyas-human-rights-record/# Go blow it out your ass. Canada's glowing words for Libya were clearly made on your Dear Leader Stephen Harper's watch. Why aren't you more proud of Canada and it's allies having backed dictators like Gaddafi for so long? Isn't this the sort of foresight and strategy that saved us from the big bad Soviets? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ToadBrother Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Go blow it out your ass. Canada's glowing words for Libya were clearly made on your Dear Leader Stephen Harper's watch. Why aren't you more proud of Canada and it's allies having backed dictators like Gaddafi for so long? Isn't this the sort of foresight and strategy that saved us from the big bad Soviets? Not to worry. With the growing fear that Gaddafi is going to use chemical weapons against his people, I think our Dear Leader and all the Dear Leaders are about to intervene militarily. About f***ing time, I say. I give Gaddafi credit though. He managed to get all the permanent members of the UN Security Council to agree to sanctions, has managed to unite most of the General Assembly against him, and will, if he continues down the path he seems to have chosen, written a blank cheque for NATO to go in and smash what's left of his regime. Edited March 1, 2011 by ToadBrother Quote
PIK Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Posted March 1, 2011 Go blow it out your ass. Canada's glowing words for Libya were clearly made on your Dear Leader Stephen Harper's watch. Why aren't you more proud of Canada and it's allies having backed dictators like Gaddafi for so long? Isn't this the sort of foresight and strategy that saved us from the big bad Soviets? That was paul martin in his tent telling him how great he was. LOL Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 That was paul martin in his tent telling him how great he was. LOL I don't deny Martin's complicity, but I sure don't recall Harper complaining about it, if anything he was chiding everyone for not doing more to support the likes of Gadaffi. Meanwhile, the report you posted about was clearly commissioned during Harper's watch. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Not to worry. With the growing fear that Gaddafi is going to use chemical weapons against his people, I think our Dear Leader and all the Dear Leaders are about to intervene militarily. About f***ing time, I say. Yeah, just in the nick of time like when Saddam gassed his people with the materials we supplied him with. So where'd Gadaffi get his chemicals? Let me guess, some permanent member(s) of the UN Insecurity Council. I give Gaddafi credit though. He managed to get all the permanent members of the UN Security Council to agree to sanctions, has managed to unite most of the General Assembly against him, and will, if he continues down the path he seems to have chosen, written a blank cheque for NATO to go in and smash what's left of his regime. Oh he's a real charmer all right. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Yeah, just in the nick of time like when Saddam gassed his people with the materials we supplied him with. So where'd Gadaffi get his chemicals? Let me guess, some permanent member(s) of the UN Insecurity Council. Oh he's a real charmer all right. Again...you should stop telling lies re: America and Saddam's nerve gas program. An Arab company gave him the precursors for that. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
ToadBrother Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 So where'd Gadaffi get his chemicals? Let me guess, some permanent member(s) of the UN Insecurity Council. I doubt any of it would have been from any of the Western nations, as Libya spent a goodly long time on the outs with the West. His rehabilitation came because he (supposedly) abandoned his WMD programs and destroyed his arsenals, though it now seems that he kept the precursors for mustard gas around, enough, or so the rumors go, to kill a helluva lot of Libyans. Quote
PIK Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) I don't deny Martin's complicity, but I sure don't recall Harper complaining about it, if anything he was chiding everyone for not doing more to support the likes of Gadaffi. Meanwhile, the report you posted about was clearly commissioned during Harper's watch. It chided the gadaffi goverment for not doing enough, while saying it has done some good. But not LIKE the lovey dovey martin visit. Edited March 1, 2011 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Shady Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Go blow it out your ass. Canada's glowing words for Libya were clearly made on your Dear Leader Stephen Harper's watch. Why aren't you more proud of Canada and it's allies having backed dictators like Gaddafi for so long? Isn't this the sort of foresight and strategy that saved us from the big bad Soviets? More of the same from the blame Canada first crowd. As if were responsible for Gaddafu in power. Or any other dictator for that matter. Quote
nicky10013 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 More of the same from the blame Canada first crowd. As if were responsible for Gaddafu in power. Or any other dictator for that matter. Who is blaming Canada for what? More of the same from the "I don't have a clue" crowd. Quote
eyeball Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 It chided the gadaffi goverment for not doing enough, while saying it has done some good. But not LIKE the lovey dovey martin visit. I know, that was like the intimate cozy relationship between Rumsfeld and Saddam. Bush and the King of Saud also come to mind. In any case the real test of all the rhetoric we've heard about sanctions and military action against governments that use military weaponry against civilians will be if some favoured nation like China uses tanks or troops to crush it's protesters. By the way is there a statute of limitations on imposing our responsibility to protect? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) Again...you should stop telling lies re: America and Saddam's nerve gas program. An Arab company gave him the precursors for that. In 1982, Iraq was removed from a list of State Sponsors of Terrorism to ease the transfer of dual-use technology to that country. According to investigative journalist Alan Friedman, Secretary of State Alexander Haig was "upset at the fact that the decision had been made at the White House, even though the State Department was responsible for the list."[3] "I was not consulted," Haig is said to have complained.Howard Teicher served on the National Security Council as director of Political-Military Affairs. He accompanied Rumsfeld to Baghdad in 1983.[16] According to his 1995 affidavit and separate interviews with former Reagan and Bush administration officials, the Central Intelligence Agency secretly directed armaments and hi-tech components to Iraq through false fronts and friendly third parties such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Kuwait, and they quietly encouraged rogue arms dealers and other private military companies to do the same: Source These people you're excusing and apologizing for are war-criminals and just as guilty of crimes against humanity as the people who deployed their weapons. Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said:U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control sent Iraq 14 separate agents "with biological warfare significance," according to Riegle's investigators.[32] Edited March 2, 2011 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
GostHacked Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Yeah, just in the nick of time like when Saddam gassed his people with the materials we supplied him with. So where'd Gadaffi get his chemicals? Let me guess, some permanent member(s) of the UN Insecurity Council. Oh he's a real charmer all right. We've seen this movie before, and we know how it will play out. But I think this will be the condensed version meaning the time frame to invasion will be short compared to Iraq. Still, there is no way we need to get involved. Lybia is small potatoes for oil production and won't make a difference in the total world's output. The oil companies are not letting this crisis go to waste by jacking up prices during this conflict. We need to stay the f*ck out of Lybia. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Source These people you're excusing and apologizing for are war-criminals and just as guilty of crimes against humanity as the people who deployed their weapons. That's what happened. No need to 'defend' history. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) The know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained by Saddam's regime from foreign firms.[22] The largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and West Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie Ltd.) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.[23]The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Leaked portions of Iraq's "Full, Final and Complete" disclosure of the sources for its weapons programs shows that thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture mustard gas, was among the chemical precursors provided to Iraq from US companies such as Alcolac International and Phillips. Both companies have since undergone reorganization and Phillips, once a subsidiary of Phillips Petroleum is now part of ConocoPhillips, an American oil and discount fossil fuel company, while Alcolac International has since dissolved and reformed as Alcolac Inc.[24] Alcolac was named as a defendant in the Aziz v. Iraq case presently pending in the United States District Court (Case No. 1:09-cv-00869-MJG). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack Edited March 2, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Sir Bandelot Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 That's what happened. No need to 'defend' history. But there is a need to maintain it, and prevent revisionism. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 But there is a need to maintain it, and prevent revisionism. OK...what's your version of history, Sir B? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Still, there is no way we need to get involved. Lybia is small potatoes for oil production and won't make a difference in the total world's output. As the world's 18th largest oil producer and the world's 15th largest oil exporter, not to mention the world 9th largets oil reserves...coupled with Italy getting 25% of its oil from Libya, you don't need a tinfoil hat to deduce the impact that the current instability as well as libyan oil production being halved has on world prices. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
GostHacked Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 As the world's 18th largest oil producer and the world's 15th largest oil exporter, not to mention the world 9th largets oil reserves...coupled with Italy getting 25% of its oil from Libya, you don't need a tinfoil hat to deduce the impact that the current instability as well as libyan oil production being halved has on world prices. Or it's because Algeria, Lybia, Egypt, Tunisia, and other African/Middle east countries are in turmoil? And the oil only starts to go up because of Lybia. Lybia is small potatoes, and Italy can get their oil from somewhere else. Canada is in the top 5 oil producers, I think we can do something for them. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 OK...what's your version of history, Sir B? Well, in a nutshell- In the beginning there was chaos, violence, deceit, betrayal, suffering and despair. And it stayed that way, until the end. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Well, in a nutshell- In the beginning there was chaos, violence, deceit, betrayal, suffering and despair. And it stayed that way, until the end. I didn't think you had a version. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Or it's because Algeria, Lybia, Egypt, Tunisia, and other African/Middle east countries are in turmoil? And the oil only starts to go up because of Lybia. Lybia is small potatoes, and Italy can get their oil from somewhere else. Canada is in the top 5 oil producers, I think we can do something for them. EgyptOil - production: 680,500 bbl/day (2009 est.) country comparison to the world: 29 Oil - consumption: 683,000 bbl/day (2009 est.) country comparison to the world: 25 Oil - exports: 89,300 bbl/day (2009 est.) country comparison to the world: 67 Oil - imports: 48,450 bbl/day (2009 est.) TunesiaOil - production: 91,380 bbl/day (2009 est.) country comparison to the world: 54 Oil - consumption: 89,000 bbl/day (2009 est.) country comparison to the world: 81 Oil - exports: 77,130 bbl/day (2007 est.) country comparison to the world: 69 Oil - imports: 87,300 bbl/day (2007 est.) country comparison to the world: 68 Etc etc.... I am amused that you think a nation the size of italy could simply find a another source of oil...as is the is more oil being produced than consumers needing it, without an accompanying rise in price....or that Canada doesn't already have buyers for 100% of our own production... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Sir Bandelot Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 I didn't think you had a version. My version is all-encompassing, and gives answers to everything you really need to know. I think it summarizes the body of all my posts quite nicely. Really no need to go on at all, after that... Quote
GostHacked Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Etc etc.... I am amused that you think a nation the size of italy could simply find a another source of oil...as is the is more oil being produced than consumers needing it, without an accompanying rise in price....or that Canada doesn't already have buyers for 100% of our own production... Russia would be more than happy to sell more oil to Europe. So Italy has absolutely no choice BUT to buy oil from Lybia? Canada would be more than happy to pick up the slack as well. But aside from the fact that a new oil refinery has not been built in north america in the last 20-30 years ..... Quote
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