Canada (NATO) at war with Libya

[GostHacked]

Lets have some Corporate Tax Cuts.

IF Canadas at war and needs these new Fighter Jets , we can't have Canadian Banks and Insurance Companies, let alone the Oil Companies pay their share.

Please, lets give these corporations a break. Canada is only at War in Afghanistan and now enforcing the No Fly zone in Libya.

Banks and Corporations can't afford to pay their fair share of these expeditions.

Corporate tax cuts now, Make the people pay.

The people already paid the tax, twice. With the governments handing out bail outs to those same companies and banks you want to cut taxes for who are raising fees and prices to the same people who helped bail them out.

Screw that.

[GostHacked]

There is no way the west needs to get involved. Canada needs to stay out of it as well. This is NOT a NATO operation. This is an act of war declared by the UN on Libya.

Lybia had not attacked anyone, this is a civil war, and mostly manufactured by the west (UK US,Canada ect) by putting special forces on the ground of Libya, they stir shit up just so they can get a no-fly resolution from the horribly corrupt UN.

[William Ashley]

It is a foreign intervention.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12797435

The whole "no troops on the ground".. mixed in with.. "in order to target correctly ground based observers are required."

The UN resolution specifically disallowed ground forces.

Edited March 19, 2011 by William Ashley

[GostHacked]

It is a foreign intervention.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12797435

It's an act of war.

[bush_cheney2004]

It is a foreign intervention.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12797435

The whole "no troops on the ground".. mixed in with.. "in order to target correctly ground based observers are required."

The UN resolution specifically disallowed ground forces.

Sooooooooo..... what is Canada doing? Hurry up or you're gonna miss it!

Edited March 19, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[William Ashley]

Sooooooooo..... what is Canada doing? Hurry up or you're gonna miss it!

ra ra.

Waste of jet fuel and expensive missles. Yeah blowing up all those oil facilities Canadian companies invested 4 billion dollars into does a lot of good.

In order for Harper to get his money's worth he'll have to wait on the human sheilds or more protests to get a substnatial target. The US just lobs at the little ones cause it has the extra missles to spare. How much is one of those thing again.. right right thats what americans pay taxes for killing libyans and blowing up buildings half way around the world. The debt is for the otherstuff.

This is a US shocka and awe 'to demoralize the population... '

the population putting down an armed rebellion against them

les forces américaines et britanniques ont déjà tiré plus de 110 missiles de croisières, des missiles Tomahawk envoyés depuis des navires et des sous-marins, qui ont touché une vingtaine de sites libyens. A Tripoli et Misrata. "après des vols de reconnaissance notamment de drones."

(yeah cause drones have such a high rate of target success...)

the same week they killed dozens of elders women and children in pakistan.

They are engineering a bloody civil war.

Edited March 19, 2011 by William Ashley

[capricorn]

Quebec-made F-18s could be policing skies over Libya if Stephen Harper has his way

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110318/mtl_noflyzoneenforcement_110318/20110318/?hub=MontrealHome

Uh, uh! Quebec's anti-militaristic crowd won't like this much.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Waste of jet fuel and expensive missles. Yeah blowing up all those oil facilities Canadian companies invested 4 billion dollars into does a lot of good.

PM Martin worked so hard for those contracts!

In order for Harper to get his money's worth he'll have to wait on the human sheilds or more protests to get a substnatial target. The US just lobs at the little ones cause it has the extra missles to spare. How much is one of those thing again.. right right thats what americans pay taxes for killing libyans and blowing up buildings half way around the world. The debt is for the otherstuff.

About $1.2 million a pop...chump change.

This is a US shocka and awe 'to demoralize the population... '

the population putting down an armed rebellion against them

OK...but where are the Canadians....this is a UN mandated action by gumby....there is righteous peacekillin' to be done!

[scouterjim]

I would prefer that we didn't get involved in this, but we are a member of NATO and the U.N. but no surprise at the attacks on Canada's position. But really, do you actually believe that Canada would not be involved with men and equipment if it were the Liberals in power - really - who sent the troops to Afghanistan and Iraq.. It is a U.N. resolution at a belated attempt to save lives, so we would be hard pressed to refuse.

Bob Rae seems to think we should be more "active and inventive" to help speed Gadhafi's overthrow.

When did Canada send troops into Iraq? Not ever to my knowledge. Get your facts straight. That said, I support the Canadian Forces helping in Libya (being ex-army myself).

[DogOnPorch]

PM Martin worked so hard for those contracts!

About $1.2 million a pop...chump change.

OK...but where are the Canadians....this is a UN mandated action by gumby....there is righteous peacekillin' to be done!

Hope and change.

[capricorn]

It is a foreign intervention.

It most certainly is...and not a moment too soon.

The UN resolution specifically disallowed ground forces.

Yup.

Protection of civilians:

4. Authorises member states that have notified the secretary-general, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in co-operation with the secretary-general, to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory, and requests the member states concerned to inform the secretary-general immediately of the measures they take pursuant to the authorization conferred by this paragraph which shall be immediately reported to the Security Council;

Interpretation:

Analysis: This is the essential paragraph in the resolution. It "authorises member states to take all necessary means" to protect civilians. This gives wide latitude for operations, for example, against ground units attacking Libyan towns. It specifically mentions the city of Benghazi, the pro-Gaddafi forces objective, and the centre of gravity of the rebel resistance. Crucially it excludes any "foreign occupation force" in sweeping terms. This is a message to the Arab world - this is not another Iraq. This is an operation with a clear limit. Is occupation too specific a term? Might it allow some ground operations like the deployment of Special Forces? There certainly is no appetite for ground operations in any of the countries backing this resolution.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12782972

[capricorn]

OK...but where are the Canadians....this is a UN mandated action by gumby....there is righteous peacekillin' to be done!

But..but..EGADS! Prime Minister Harper said there may be casualties on our side. Why oh why does he have to be so blunt about it.

[Wilber]

There is no way the west needs to get involved. Canada needs to stay out of it as well. This is NOT a NATO operation. This is an act of war declared by the UN on Libya.

Lybia had not attacked anyone, this is a civil war, and mostly manufactured by the west (UK US,Canada ect) by putting special forces on the ground of Libya, they stir shit up just so they can get a no-fly resolution from the horribly corrupt UN.

Really, Moe says Al Queda is responsible. You guys will believe in anything other than the possibility that a guy who has brutally repressed his own people, engaged in African wars of his own and blown up civil airliners and night clubs could be at fault.

[GostHacked]

Really, Moe says Al Queda is responsible. You guys will believe in anything other than the possibility that a guy who has brutally repressed his own people, engaged in African wars of his own and blown up civil airliners and night clubs could be at fault.

You've missed the news articles that states UK special forces were on the ground weeks before this new war broke out. It's not Al-Queda, that much I am pretty sure of.

If Al-queda was attacking Qadaffi, and Qadaffi was fighting the rebels, would the UN not be striking against Al-queda targets instead of Qadaffi? Think about it.

[Wilber]

You've missed the news articles that states UK special forces were on the ground weeks before this new war broke out. It's not Al-Queda, that much I am pretty sure of.

If Al-queda was attacking Qadaffi, and Qadaffi was fighting the rebels, would the UN not be striking against Al-queda targets instead of Qadaffi? Think about it.

Don't ask me, I was just repeating what Moe said.

[GostHacked]

Don't ask me, I was just repeating what Moe said.

I am asking you, and everyone else here. There is obviously something else going on here. I think I've said it before ... Iraq 2.0. Qaddafi is not liked by many, this I know. But time will reveal that the west went in to stir shit up in order to get the no-fly zone.

British special forces were already on the ground.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8364937/Captured-SAS-unit-Libyan-rebels-release-special-forces-team.html

Libyan rebels have released a British special forces team who were detained when a mission to contact opponents of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi went wrong.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/03/06/libya-britain.html

Earlier, U.K. Defence Secretary Liam Fox said his government was in touch with the diplomatic team in Benghazi.

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He also stressed that "there was no and there is no plan to use British land forces" in Libya.

Special forces ARE land forces. Also the US special forces were there as well, but I doubt that will get reported. Every potential invasion is first scouted out by special forces in order to assess other matters that cannot be done through spy satelites.

[Wilber]

I am asking you, and everyone else here. There is obviously something else going on here. I think I've said it before ... Iraq 2.0. Qaddafi is not liked by many, this I know. But time will reveal that the west went in to stir shit up in order to get the no-fly zone.

British special forces were already on the ground.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8364937/Captured-SAS-unit-Libyan-rebels-release-special-forces-team.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/03/06/libya-britain.html

Special forces ARE land forces. Also the US special forces were there as well, but I doubt that will get reported. Every potential invasion is first scouted out by special forces in order to assess other matters that cannot be done through spy satelites.

Eight SAS guys woopy ding.

What's going on is getting rid of Moe. Long past time if you ask me.

[Smallc]

The SAS and MI6 were there to evacuate British citizens. By all accounts, JTF2 and CSOR were there for the same reason. Your tinfoil is a bit too tight tonight.

[Scotty]

I personally don't see why the world is all upset and why it's interfering in what appears to mostly be an internal civil war, mostly a tribal war at that. So what if Khadafy is a dictator? All the local leaders are dictators and we call many of them friends. Some civilians died? So? Civilians always die in civil wars and I don't see the UN rushing to aid one side or the other. I didn't see the UN rushing into Sudan despite the far higher death toll.

Anyone ever hear of the African world war? I bet not. I don't remember the UN putting a lot of jets in there to put a stop to things despite millions of deaths.

Second Congo War

And speaking of wars in Africa, where is the UN with its jets and bombing in the Ivory Coast? Civilians are dying there right now and there aren't any roaring fighter jets intervening.

The Other African War

Edited March 20, 2011 by Scotty

[Smallc]

I personally don't see why the world is all upset and why it's interfering in what appears to mostly be an internal civil war, mostly a tribal war at that.

Except that it isn't. These are people in Libya who were, en masse, willing to risk their lives in the pursuit of freedom and democracy. These are people that requested our help. These are people living not only under a dictator, but an insane dictator who has caused much suffering throughout the world over his 40 years.

[Wilber]

I personally don't see why the world is all upset and why it's interfering in what appears to mostly be an internal civil war, mostly a tribal war at that. So what if Khadafy is a dictator? All the local leaders are dictators and we call many of them friends. Some civilians died? So? Civilians always die in civil wars and I don't see the UN rushing to aid one side or the other. I didn't see the UN rushing into Sudan despite the far higher death toll.

Anyone ever hear of the African world war? I bet not. I don't remember the UN putting a lot of jets in there to put a stop to things despite millions of deaths.

Second Congo War

And speaking of wars in Africa, where is the UN with its jets and bombing in the Ivory Coast? Civilians are dying there right now and there aren't any roaring fighter jets intervening.

The Other African War

We should have burned his ass for PANAM 103. Delayed payback.

[Scotty]

Except that it isn't. These are people in Libya who were, en masse, willing to risk their lives in the pursuit of freedom and democracy. These are people that requested our help. These are people living not only under a dictator, but an insane dictator who has caused much suffering throughout the world over his 40 years.

Why is that our problem? A bunch of people don't like their leader? So? Let them get rid of him - or not. If that's our business why isn't it our business to go into Ivory Coast? Or Darfur?

[Scotty]

We should have burned his ass for PANAM 103. Delayed payback.

I would agree we should have done it then. But as you recall, we didn't, and in fact, the Brits then released the guy Khadaffi gave to them in exchange for oil contracts. Seems a little odd to be going in and bombing him now.

[Smallc]

Why is that our problem? A bunch of people don't like their leader? So? Let them get rid of him - or not. If that's our business why isn't it our business to go into Ivory Coast? Or Darfur?

Why? Well, we are in some of those places, to be quite frank. There are African Union, UN, or unilateral missions in those places. The UN has authorized immediate action here, because, Moe is crazy, and he'll kill as many of his own people as he has to.

[Wilber]

I would agree we should have done it then. But as you recall, we didn't, and in fact, the Brits then released the guy Khadaffi gave to them in exchange for oil contracts. Seems a little odd to be going in and bombing him now.

Finally they are doing what makes sense.

The guy is at least as big a prick now as he was then.