Canada (NATO) at war with Libya

[William Ashley]

What I find relevant about this one is the description of the Canadian Mission:

It's a task that makes up about 80 per cent of the missions flown by Canada as part of the NATO operation to dislodge Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110728/canadian-pilots-bombing-libya-choices-110728/

Since when is the mission regime change? Wasn't it a no fly zone and civilian protection?

How are actions not part of the UN mandate legal?

15000+ bombs dropped at 1 million a pop?

And this a couple weeks ago...

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/184718.html

This article goes into how NATO has ground forces in Libya

http://allafrica.com/stories/201107290129.html

No feet on the ground?

...there are British, Dutch, French and Italian special forces, among others, on the ground not just in Benghazi but all over the country is neither debatable nor denied. We know that much, from the reports of the British media and from the clumsy ways in which the Netherlands and Britain sought to introduce their special forces days into the insurgency.

This placing natos operation back to last November..

.. may have been as far back as 16 November 2010 when a train-load of French people landed in Benghazi carrying what were alleged to be businessmen seeking to invest in Libya's agriculture. A large number of these 'businessmen' were in fact soldiers.

now back to October...

...active planning for regime change by the French began on 21 October 2010 when Nuri Mesmar, Gaddafi's chief of protocol and his closest chum, arrived in Paris for surgery.

However, Mesmar was not met by doctors but by the French secret service and Sarkozy's closest aides.

...

Mesmar agreed to a strategy to drop troops in Libya under the guise of a business delegation. Two days later, a plane-load of people, including soldiers, landed in Benghazi where they met, among others, Libyan military commanders to encourage them to desert. One of them who agreed to desert was Colonel Gehan Abdallah, whose militia subsequently led the rebellion.

What we can see however is that indeed this whole thing may have been a plot by NATO led by France.. to violate the UN Charter.. that is by interfering ..

It is also interesting the the anti aircraft guns used against crowds in Tripoli were the same kind used by the defected former head of interior ministry who was recently assassinated by his friends in Benghazi.. who had acted as their head of army.

It goes on to explain how the command wing of the "Rebellion" is actually all foreign agents... embedded and recruited by NATO... in their attempt to destabilized and overthrow Libya.

For instance Kalifa being CIA... the minster of finance in Behngazi an america..

sounds like occupation to me.

Edited July 29, 2011 by William Ashley

[William Ashley]

Nato attacks tv stations in Libya.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201108021405.html

More war crimes from NATO

I tend to concur that this seems like an attempt to destroy every bit of infrastructure Libya has.

NATO was broadcasting its psyops but the signal in Libya was stronger so they are blowing up all the transmission towers in Libya

I don't see how this is part of a no fly zone, nor how psyops are enforcing a no fly zone or "protecting" civilians.

Jamming out or breaking up civilian communications channels is not going to aid in order in Libya, it will cause potential confusion, and that is where breaches of law occur.

The last thing Libya needs is George Orwell.

This is not the first time that NATO has targeted news media. It was condemned by an International Criminal Court commission of enquiry for bombing Serbian television headquarters in 1999. The commission ruled that the broadcaster's propaganda activities did not suffice to make it a legitimate military target.

Also I find it interesting NATO is using the highly toxic and long term (requiring cleanup) radiating Depleted Uranium rounds..

http://www.voltairenet.org/NATO-War-Crimes-Depleted-Uranium

As far as I'm aware only the US and UK use these rounds.

Edited August 2, 2011 by William Ashley

[bush_cheney2004]

I tend to concur that this seems like an attempt to destroy every bit of infrastructure Libya has.

Uh-huh...see Kosovo War (1999)

Also I find it interesting NATO is using the highly toxic and long term (requiring cleanup) radiating Depleted Uranium rounds..

...and just where do you think the depleted uranium came from?

[William Ashley]

Uh-huh...see Kosovo War (1999)

...and just where do you think the depleted uranium came from?

That is a good question... the would likely be the gbu/BBU's.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/bunker-buster2.htm

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=25045

The thing that muddies this a bit is that the US I beleive gave Canada a few so it may have even of been Canada..

it could have been uranium enforced bunkers (but doubtful)... since uranium is hard... but I'd geussing it wasn't rods of god.. they were likely bunker bursters used. Or apache cannons perhaps.

Edited August 2, 2011 by William Ashley

[Guest Derek L]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/harpers-muted-reaction-spurs-call-to-do-better-job-on-libya/article2137055/

I wonder if Gadhafi has the stones to pull a Hitler in the next few hours........

[Guest Derek L]

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=234940

The pitch-forks and torches are closing in on Gaddafi............

[Guest Derek L]

And the most important news of all:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/22/libya-oil-idUSL5E7JM17F20110822

Italian oil company Eni led the charge back into Libya on Monday as rebels hailing the end of Muammar Gaddafi's rule warned Russian and Chinese firms that they may lose out on lucrative oil contracts for failing to support the rebellion.

Gaddafi's fall will reopen the doors to Africa's largest oil reserves and give new players such as Qatar's national oil company and trading house Vitol the chance to compete with established European and U.S. oil majors.

"We don't have a problem with Western countries like the Italians, French and UK companies. But we may have some political issues with Russia, China and Brazil," Abdeljalil Mayouf, information manager at Libyan rebel oil firm AGOCO, told Reuters.

But of course, this "war" was only about human rights.........

[GostHacked]

This war is absolutely needless. What a shameful situation our governments have engaged in this new war.

[Guest Derek L]

This war is absolutely needless. What a shameful situation our governments have engaged in this new war.

It's ok, give it a month or two, oil prices will drop......

[GostHacked]

It's ok, give it a month or two, oil prices will drop......

Of course we know that won't happen.

[Guest Derek L]

Of course we know that won't happen.

Supply and demand, once the pipelines and wellheads are rebuilt, it will......Or just wait till Bachmann wins next year, she's going to bring oil back to under two dollars a barrel...

[GostHacked]

Supply and demand, once the pipelines and wellheads are rebuilt, it will......Or just wait till Bachmann wins next year, she's going to bring oil back to under two dollars a barrel...

I read this post as satire. The price of a barrel may come down, but you won't see that reflected in the price you pay at the pumps. That I am sure of.

[Guest Derek L]

I read this post as satire. The price of a barrel may come down, but you won't see that reflected in the price you pay at the pumps. That I am sure of.

Yes, much of what Bachmann says I take as satire.........that said, Perry winning could see EPA regulations slackened on domestic production...Alaska, Texas, further drilling in the gulf, the untouched Bakken oil field in North Dakota (extends into Saskatchewan), investment of further oil extraction from shale, the building of new refineries and the completion of the trans Alberta-Texas pipeline…………Throw in natural gas, further production from Mexico and Canada, and North America could become energy independent in about a decade...Not in “Bachmann’s two terms” but...I’ll give her maybe $2.50 a barrel.

[William Ashley]

It is highly likely that the US and other countries have embezzled Libyan funds.. numbers such as 37 Billion are being reported yet the numbers the Libyan Government gave was closer to 70 Billion.. where are the funds

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-22/libya-s-37-billion-stays-frozen-over-legal-issues-u-s-treasury-says.html

[Moonlight Graham]

I read this post as satire. The price of a barrel may come down, but you won't see that reflected in the price you pay at the pumps. That I am sure of.

Damn right you won't. Ahh, the game continues!

A million dead Tustis and moderate Hutus are still waiting for the West to intervene for "humanitarian reasons". BAHA!

[bush_cheney2004]

It is highly likely that the US and other countries have embezzled Libyan funds.. numbers such as 37 Billion are being reported yet the numbers the Libyan Government gave was closer to 70 Billion.. where are the funds

Where are the extra funds? In former PM Paul Martin's account, of course.

[William Ashley]

Where are the extra funds? In former PM Paul Martin's account, of course.

Show the evidence

The whole thing was highly corrupt to this point. The 43 billion in missing funds of course will need to turn up somewhere.

[William Ashley]

Where are the extra funds? In former PM Paul Martin's account, of course.

Show the evidence

The whole thing was highly corrupt to this point. The 43 billion in missing funds of course will need to turn up somewhere.

Perhaps it might be best to look at greece, italy and spain first.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=831911&f=20

.....which was believed early this year to hold more than $70 billion in assets, but the value may have been lessened by recent turmoil in world markets

Edited August 23, 2011 by William Ashley

[Wilber]

It is highly likely that the US and other countries have embezzled Libyan funds.. numbers such as 37 Billion are being reported yet the numbers the Libyan Government gave was closer to 70 Billion.. where are the funds

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-22/libya-s-37-billion-stays-frozen-over-legal-issues-u-s-treasury-says.html

What funds? If there is 33 billion missing, they will have the records to prove it, right?

[William Ashley]

What funds? If there is 33 billion missing, they will have the records to prove it, right?

Who is THEY, the Libyan Rebels have said that the Gaddaffis will be put on trial in Libya if captured rather than the ICC. We all know what the result of rebel governments trying former leaders ends up as. Just look to Saddam Hussien's trial, or Osama Bin Laden's trial. Everyone that knows would likely be killed. All the government compounds are being ransacked, or have been bombed.

Edited August 24, 2011 by William Ashley

[William Ashley]

Who is THEY, the Libyan Rebels have said that the Gaddaffis will be put on trial in Libya if captured rather than the ICC. We all know what the result of rebel governments trying former leaders ends up as. Just look to Saddam Hussien's trial, or Osama Bin Laden's trial. Everyone that knows would likely be killed. All the government compounds are being ransacked, or have been bombed.

So much for human rights... the rebel government has now "broadcast" assassination - a war crime.

$2-million bounty for the death of Gaddafi

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/08/24/libya-tripoli-gadhafi-rebel.html

rebels themselves had only offered amnesty for anyone who kills him

International law distinguishes between state-sponsored assassination and assassination that is not state-sponsored. When an assassination is committed by a group that is not affiliated with a government or by an individual acting alone, it is not state-sponsored.

This is an example of both State Sponsored Assassination, calling on the people to Kill Gaddafi (and not moving to stop the bounty - hence abetting it as they are suppose to be the law), as well as non state sponsored assassination by the business people who have put out the bounty.

Canada should be ashamed for helping these crooks, war criminals as much as NATO, and Canada for being complicit with recognizing this war crime government as legitimate.

This open bounty violates the basic premise of rule of war by introducing violations of Article 23 of the Hague Convention IV of 1907 - this would effectively make everyone a legitimate target of war (within and outside Libya), because the rebels have called on anyone to kill him and are granting amnesty for murder.

Article 51 of the United Nations Charter grants states an "inherent right" to self-defense if an armed attack against them occurs.

In this instance even as a civil leader, Gaddafi would be legally able to kill anyone for fear of death by open bounty and amnesty for a would be killer.

Context of legal assassination would not be eligible because Gaddafi has accepted truce proposals, even requesting one after the overrun of Bab Al Aziziya.

This gets me too

only one drone worth $100,000 was sold to the rebels using the frozen funds of the Kadhafi regime, but they wanted more, he said.

Apparently better than Greek Bonds

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5javxbslM8c__ay6KsWKt5tBEL_uA?docId=CNG.6e522651c7bd6c27e7ae3b200a632171.5e1

What other humanitarian fees are already banked up not paid for with pirated oil?

Would that not constitute a violation of an arms embargo as to supply military goods to Libya during an arms embargo?

he Security Council also opted to refer the situation in Libya to the International Criminal Court.

So now it is dead or alive bounties and kangaroo trial in neoLibya? What happened to the ICC?

More mud.

all Member States shall immediately take the necessary measures to prevent the direct or indirect supply, sale or transfer to the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, from or through their territories or by their nationals, or using their flag vessels or aircraft, of arms and related materiel of all types, including weapons and ammunition, military vehicles and equipment, paramilitary equipment, and spare parts for the aforementioned, and technical assistance, training, financial or other assistance, related to military activities or the provision, maintenance or use of any arms and related materiel, including the provision of armed mercenary personnel whether or not originating in their territories, and decides further that this measure shall not apply to:

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.un.org%2Fdepts%2FCartographic%2Fmap%2Fprofile%2Flibya.pdf&rct=j&q=Libyan%20Arab%20Jamahiriya%20united%20nations&ei=KoJVTpm5Aonj0QGxhrmlAg&usg=AFQjCNGqTC10zodPROqqFowu1ZlesVBVWg&cad=rja

Edited August 24, 2011 by William Ashley

[William Ashley]

The British, French and Qatar have all also broken the UN SEC resolution, not only being involved in military "feet on the ground operations" (more or less doing the fighting by SAS. SBS, the french forces that were there since November, likely foreign legion and other fronts, and Qatar (I don't know too much about this yet) but also specifically training operations, which violate

technical assistance, training, financial or other assistance, related to military activities or the provision, maintenance or use of any arms and related materiel

These operations some of which are funded by Qatar, are still the responsiblity of countries such as britain because the resolution extends to nations and their nationals.

Canada "may" also have violated the resolution beyond the case cited in the previous case, through atleast one Canadian (if not many more) that may or may not officially have notice with the federal government on actities in Libya (I have no information indicating this yet, but I do know that at the onset Canadian SOF were deployed to Libya.

I still can't determine where the 600 US marines were when the battle in Tripoli broke out.

here are some examples there are many more:

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20110826/166211240.html

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=337825

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/23/sas-troopers-help-coordinate-rebels

It is somewhat suprising that "Iraqi mercenaries" were involved... I wonder who trained them. Are the Egyptian mercenaries "muslim brotherhood?"

Did the US/CIA send Iraqi's to Libya?

http://www.truth10.com/siterun_data/government/war/news.php?q=1301673558

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167663.html

Just how many "Libyians" are actually "in rebellion?" Or is it all foreign agents.. the 6000 or so Rebels seems to be dwindling down to a band of foreign agents, and exiles and little or no popular movement whatsoever.

Since when do a few thousands Citizens, tied to Islamic Radicallism and terrorism run a nation of 6.5 Million people? It is absurd.

WHY WOULD THE US SEEK IMMUNITIES FOR WAR CRIMES FOR MERCENARIES? WHY WOULD IT SEEK IMMUNITY FOR WAR CRIMES PERIOD!!! THEY ARE WAR CRIMES!

THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS FOR WAR CRIMES OR WAR CRIMINALS AMERICAN OR NOT THEY ARE SCUM!

Edited August 26, 2011 by William Ashley

[GostHacked]

I agree William, this is going to be horrible for NATO if they put boots on the ground. All the good that Gadaffi had done over the past decade or so for the people has been ruined by the humanitarian bombs that were dropped, along with all the DU.

This is Iraq 2.0

[William Ashley]

I agree William, this is going to be horrible for NATO if they put boots on the ground. All the good that Gadaffi had done over the past decade or so for the people has been ruined by the humanitarian bombs that were dropped, along with all the DU.

This is Iraq 2.0

What do you mean IF , it has already happened.

This is a minimum of what the US admits to (even while double talking that there are no US forces in Libya.. there are)

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Libya-chemical-nuclear-material-secure-20110826

See CIA/special forces part 2 of the article.

CIA operatives

The CIA has small teams of officers, backed by private US contractors with special operations experience helping to guide Libyan rebel fighters, according to two former US officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss classified matters.

The Obama administration is considering whether to widen the role of those US intelligence teams to include hunting for Gaddafi's weapons arsenal, several officials said.

Us CONTRACTORS ARE US FORCES but in US speak they arn't GI's, they are still hired by the US and are even given US citizenship sometimes, such as the latin american mercenary deal.

The Reason the US is seeking immunity for mercenaries, is in part because THAT IS WHO THEY ARE HIRING TO FIGHT GADDAFI... they are US forces if they are being paid for by the US, and being directed by US GOVERNMENT AGENTS, CIA is state department WHICH IS THE US GOVERNMENT.

THEY ARE WITHOUT HONOUR.

Apparently MI6 in Britian is doing the same thing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8723490/Libya-British-A-team-that-laid-the-ground-for-battle-of-Tripoli.html

MI6 officers experienced in the region were already present in the country,

The real question that arises out of this is... are there any "actual Libyans who are in revolt?"

Seems like there arn't.

Total fog of war.

Here is an article from "Africa"

http://www.kenyaimagine.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3681:lamenting-the-cruel-invasion-of-libya&catid=266:international&Itemid=224

I am "DEEPLY concerned about this article"

as it could be NATO misinformation -- that they are the source of the poisoning... then blaming Ghadaffi... it is a very dangerous article considering the fog of war

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8721049/Libya-Col-Gaddafi-troops-may-have-poisoned-countrys-water-supply.html

Considering NATO's other lies and actions, I would not put it beyond them, since NATO was bombing the pipelines into Tripoli, they don't seem to really care about civilian deaths, nor are they apologetic. This is the type of thing for psychological operations/war propaganda in a Guerrilla war context, the modus operandi is to get the civilians to your cause... I think it is far more likely it was the rebels/nato that did this, if it was anyway connected to the civilian population. (Bombing the pipelines would have next to no strategic value if the tripoli sweep was preplanned - meaning it is simply to "damage" the economy of libya for the mid to long term, and run up war costs for Libyans -- totally unneeded targets to bomb those pipelines in retrospect, and they have a war plan, so this is totally psychological and I think it is highly likely that they are committing war crimes for psyops reasons.

Now "people" have to get information, or else they may just "die" and they will blame it on Gaddafi, they can't even drink water in Tripoli safely now.

Part of the reason for "lack of resistance" may very well be biological and chemical weapons use BY the rebels and nato prior the assault.. The US is notorious for using chemical weapons as a battle optimizer such as in Iraq.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/nov/15/usa.iraq

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10901.htm

http://dissidentvoice.org/Nov05/Napalm-Iraq.htm

Edited August 26, 2011 by William Ashley

[GostHacked]

What do you mean IF , it has already happened.

Well we both know SAS and other special forces were on the ground long before the crap hit the fan. But now NATO/UN is proposing peace keepers on the ground in Libya.

NATO/UN is simply outright stealing from Libya and not making any aplogies about it.