Curveball admits WMD lies, Colin Powell PO'd at CIA

[GostHacked]

He didn't bluff. He let teh UN search his country far and wide. They found nothing.

Let's also throw in that the UN inspectors were going to need to leave Iraq and not complete their work, because the US was going in balls to the wall. And the audacity of Bush to have joked about it at a press conference dinner thing. 'Nope., no WMDS here!'. A complete disrespect to the service men and women who died in Iraq.

[bush_cheney2004]

No doubt. Apparently Saddam had permission to violate his ceasefire, violate UN resolutions, refuse weapons inspections for four years, and pretend to have WMDs.

Yes...it took over 200,000 troops to convince Saddam to let the UN inspectors back in. They found Iraq to be in material breach. Boom.

[Topaz]

I found an interesting article on those chemicals and one US corp. connection with Hussein and what probably lead to the invasion of the country. http://www.peoplesworld.org/bechtel-the-evil/

[Smallc]

I found an interesting article on those chemicals and one US corp. connection with Hussein and what probably lead to the invasion of the country. http://www.peoplesworld.org/bechtel-the-evil/

You do understand that there's a difference between the quality of sources, I would hope.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yes...it took over 200,000 troops to convince Saddam to let the UN inspectors back in. They found Iraq to be in material breach. Boom.

Nope. It took UN resolution 1441. The UN inspectors found nothing to speak of and were forced out by those troops. The invasion plan had already been made anyway, the only delay was that Turkey refused to allow US fighters through it's airspace to attack. Whoops, aircraft carriers in the wrong ocean. Took a few days to get from the Med to the Red. Then boom.

[Shady]

Nope. It took UN resolution 1441. The UN inspectors found nothing to speak of and were forced out by those troops. The invasion plan had already been made anyway, the only delay was that Turkey refused to allow US fighters through it's airspace to attack. Whoops, aircraft carriers in the wrong ocean. Took a few days to get from the Med to the Red. Then boom.

But Saddam refused inspections for 4 years. That was a violation of the ceasefire he agreed to. Military action could have resumed that very second.

[GostHacked]

But Saddam refused inspections for 4 years. That was a violation of the ceasefire he agreed to. Military action could have resumed that very second.

So, where are those WMDs?

[On Guard for Thee]

But Saddam refused inspections for 4 years. That was a violation of the ceasefire he agreed to. Military action could have resumed that very second.

It did. It was called Operation Desert Fox.

[bush_cheney2004]

But Saddam refused inspections for 4 years. That was a violation of the ceasefire he agreed to. Military action could have resumed that very second.

Right...and military action did resume on several occasions, courtesy of President Clinton and Prime Minister Blair (e.g. Operation Desert Fox in 1998).....long before Bush or Cheney ever took office. This was after Congress passed H.R. 4655, the "Iraq Liberation Act".

[GostHacked]

Nice of the US to determine that another leader in another country needs to get the boot. Does that not mean some international laws would be broken?

[On Guard for Thee]

Certainly does. all they needed then was 9-11 and Rumsfeld ignoring reports that suggested AQ and Sadam were not in cahoots and acting as if they were. Which is why his name is on that nasty list at the ICC.

[dre]

So, where are those WMDs?

According to Mr Powwel all those big weapons factories were in the back of pickup trucks... ROFLMAO.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yes and did you notice how he completely reversed his position when he went to address the UN? Must have been quite the meeting he had in the White House to convince him to do that. I'm still waiting for that to come out in a book. (Maybe it has and I missed it)

[Shady]

Nice of the US to determine that another leader in another country needs to get the boot. Does that not mean some international laws would be broken?

Well, when two countries go to war, and one loses and signs a ceasefire agreement, the country that won determines the fate of the other leader. Especially if that leader violates the ceasefire agreed upon.

[Shady]

So, where are those WMDs?

Good question. If Saddam had no WMDs, then why did he refuse weapons inspections from 1998 to 2002, violating said agreement, and UN resolution.

[dre]

Good question. If Saddam had no WMDs, then why did he refuse weapons inspections from 1998 to 2002, violating said agreement, and UN resolution.

Did you look under your couch Shady?

[Topaz]

Wasn't part of the 1441, that UN had the right to search his palaces and that is what he really refused?? I do remember reading that Bush wanted to nuke Hussein and Blair talked him out of it and put in place,put the search of his palaces, which they knew Hussein would refuse to do and that would let the powers that be to invade.

[On Guard for Thee]

Well, when two countries go to war, and one loses and signs a ceasefire agreement, the country that won determines the fate of the other leader. Especially if that leader violates the ceasefire agreed upon.

Naw, it's a little more complicated than that. When the US did GW 1 it was under a UN sanction to kick Sadams forces out of Kuwait. Full stop. It wasn't actually a war on Iraq. To his credit, Bush 1 pulled the troops when that had been accomplished. Sadam expelled the UN weapons inspectors when he decided it was partly a ruse for spying by the US. Now I'm no fan of Sadam's and you can easily make a case for paranoia. But when you look at teh BS the likes of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld were spouting out of the White House, you can easily see why he might have been.

[On Guard for Thee]

And as crazy/criminal as Sadam may have been in his day, I do recall sipping a beer on my hotel room bed after work one day in Baghdad, and listening to the interview he gave to Dan Rather with eyes and ears wide open. Sadam suggested he and Bush should have a televised debate, each from home turf, and with no holds barred. Of course it never hapenned. I suspect Bush in part feared looking stupid. Too bad Clinton had left power by the time and Obama hadn't arrive, or that discussion may have happenned and a lot of people might still be alive.

[bush_cheney2004]

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 found Iraq to be in material breach of Gulf War ceasefire and disarmament terms. It was unanimously adopted by the UNSC and gave Saddam one more chance to comply and permit UNMOVIC/IAEA inspections to continue. Subsequent reports declared violations and continued inspection process obstruction. This ended in March, 2003 with the invasion of Iraq...Game Over.

[Shady]

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 found Iraq to be in material breach of Gulf War ceasefire and disarmament terms.

Exactly. And legally, military action could have commenced immediately. Actions have consequences.

Blowback.

[cybercoma]

Where's those WMDs again?

[On Guard for Thee]

Exactly. And legally, military action could have commenced immediately. Actions have consequences.

Blowback.

No it didn't. some idiot named Donald Rumsfeld, who is a war criminal, along with Bush 2 and Dick Cheney are also because of their reactions to same.

[Shady]

Where's those WMDs again?

Good question. An even better question is why would someone refuse weapons inspections for four years if they had no weapons? Kind of a dumb thing to do don't you think?

[Shady]

No it didn't. some idiot named Donald Rumsfeld, who is a war criminal, along with Bush 2 and Dick Cheney are also because of their reactions to same.

Yes it did. When you violate a ceasefire, it means the resumption of hostilities.