Mr.Canada Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Very sad but quite an accurate analysis... The Fascists main weapon initially are not Guns and knives but their "propaganda machine"... The American extreme right has that in FoxNews and rightwing talk radio, plus certain print media of course, and now Right Wing Blogs and sites like the Hannity Forums which I've spent considerable TIME on a few years back during the Bush Era... Is it only the left who are permitted to have place where like minded people can come together? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Jack Weber Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Is it only the left who are permitted to have place where like minded people can come together? Nope... You'd fit in well at Freakdominion... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 LOL! Does this mean that you are an extreme right wing Canadian? Why would you visit such sites? I'm extreme all right but that fact has little to do with politics... Why would a centrist Liberal Canadian like me visit such a site you ask? Hmmm, let me see, perhaps to gently edjumacate some rather "interesting" but very dense United Statesians? Might even be you know a little about such things, eh? I even passed through this site a few TIMEs, but seldom found anybody here to talk to so I gave up on this one... 2000 - 2006 Pre and post 9/11, the Bush-Cheney era was quite the ride on the Hannity For'ems... GREAT FUN! Kinda sad too, at least for them... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 I'm extreme all right but that fact has little to do with politics... "extreme" seems to be very important to you, opening the door for something less "extreme". Why make such a distinction? Why would a centrist Liberal Canadian like me visit such a site you ask? Hmmm, let me see, perhaps to gently edjumacate some rather "interesting" but very dense United Statesians? Might even be you know a little about such things, eh? I even passed through this site a few TIMEs, but seldom found anybody here to talk to so I gave up on this one... I guess it didn't work. Hannity and friends are as popular as ever. 2000 - 2006 Pre and post 9/11, the Bush-Cheney era was quite the ride on the Hannity For'ems... GREAT FUN! Kinda sad too, at least for them... Well, Bush wasn't inaugurated until January 2001. And it was a very good time for them. You should have seen John Kerry's sad mug. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GWiz Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Well, Bush wasn't inaugurated until January 2001. And it was a very good time for them. You should have seen John Kerry's sad mug. You should have been there, maybe you were? It was a VERY GOOD TIME for me... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 You should have been there, maybe you were? It was a VERY GOOD TIME for me... Nah...Hannity was small potatoes back then. He was still worshipping Rush Limbaugh. The fun Canadian angle was their realization that the US/UK/AUS were going to invade Iraq no matter what and they didn't give a damn what Canada thought. Canada, once a middle power with some influence, now had none. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GWiz Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Nah...Hannity was small potatoes back then. He was still worshipping Rush Limbaugh. The fun Canadian angle was their realization that the US/UK/AUS were going to invade Iraq no matter what and they didn't give a damn what Canada thought. Canada, once a middle power with some influence, now had none. I wouldn't say that... Remember, Canuk (unbeknownst to most Canadians) "support" in and for the the Iraq war came in #4 behind those 3 in the "Coalition of the Willing", which Canada wasn't in... We were "actively involved", most Canadians just didn't know it or care... But the people on Hannity did after I edjumacated them a bit on the subject... In FACT I converted a couple of staunch "anti Canadians" into becoming very "pro Canadian" that would jump on people when they started "bashing" Canada with those same FACTS I gave them... Like I said, GREAT FUN... I even got 3 "old TIMErs" on the Hannity for'ems banned after they "stepped over the line" too often taking me on... I wear that as a badge of honour... A lot of U.S. Military there, and most of them were "good people"... A couple of them though were pretty "radical", to be kind, but it ended up they were the ones I had the most FUN with... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) Remember, Canuk (unbeknownst to most Canadians) "support" in and for the the Iraq war came in #4 behind those 3 in the "Coalition of the Willing", which Canada wasn't in... We were "actively involved", most Canadians just didn't know it or care... But the people on Hannity did after I edjumacated them a bit on the subject... In FACT I converted a couple of staunch "anti Canadians" into becoming very "pro Canadian" that would jump on people when they started "bashing" Canada with those same FACTS I gave them... Well, hell, we all knew that the Canadian rubes back home had to be pacified with the appearance of not being involved. Canada has principles! Of course, once the invasion was over, PM Martin got on his knees and begged Bush for access to Iraqi oil services contracts. So much for "principles". LOL! Like I said, GREAT FUN... I even got 3 "old TIMErs" on the Hannity for'ems banned after they "stepped over the line" too often taking me on... I wear that as a badge of honour... That sounds like fun, but it was more fun to watch the entire CBC forum get canceled as related in another thread. I was able to post images there for the first time, and they couldn't figure out how I was doing it. A lot of U.S. Military there, and most of them were "good people"... A couple of them though were pretty "radical", to be kind, but it ended up they were the ones I had the most FUN with... U.S and Canadian military are good people, but healthy competiton is always appropriate. Both have to fight as the loonie left labels them baby killers. But this time around, anybody who tries to spit on a soldier at an airport gets their ass kicked...no exceptions. We won't fall for that crap again. Edited February 21, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GWiz Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Well, hell, we all knew that the Canadian rubes back home had to be pacified with the appearance of not being involved. Canada has principles! Of course, once the invasion was over, PM Martin got on his knees and begged Bush for access to Iraqi oil services contracts. So much for "principles". LOL! Naaa, never happened... Why the hell would Canada want Iraqi oil, or even "servicing them in Iraq"? Canada had enough trouble to get people to work and service Canada's oil production in Alberta... That sounds like fun, but it was more fun to watch the entire CBC forum get canceled as related in another thread. I was able to post images there for the first time, and they couldn't figure out how I was doing it. You old Canadian bashing TROLL! Couldn't pick on your own size, eh... Shame on you... U.S and Canadian military are good people, but healthy competiton is always appropriate. Both have to fight as the loonie left labels them baby killers. But this time around, anybody who tries to spit on a soldier at an airport gets their ass kicked...no exceptions. We won't fall for that crap again. Well, unless there's a draft you won't... Nice that NOW under Obama you can at least honour your "fallen heros" which your fav Prez denied you... Bad call that one... But I guess that's what happens when a Prez wants to cover up an unpopular and totally needless war like Iraq, eh... Haven't you heard? NOW it's the right calling the left "baby killers"... Where you been? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
betsy Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 If there is one big reason why I bolted and left all of rightwing political thinking behind me, it was the gradual discovery over the last ten years that individual conservative and libertarian causes weren't making sense. There were all of these little paradoxes like: why are rightwing capitalists who casually brush off poverty on the local and global level, so wound up about "unborn babies"....so wound up that they wave their general rules against government interference; why are U.S. conservatives so concerned about every penny spend on domestic budgets, but change the subject quick when it comes to government spending on the military; how did Rightwing Christianity go from the traditional suspicious and hostile view of those who accumulate wealth to one that celebrates and revels in material wealth. These are just some of the mysteries of modern political/religious thinking that stopped making sense and cannot be explained as long as issues are compartmentalized into neat little categories: abortion, taxation, government spending, defense etc. An integrated view is necessary that examines the agenda behind the Conservative Movement and takes a look at what their goals are for transforming what they consider a secular, immoral society. There have been many writers on the left of late who are taking a hard look at the authoritarian roots of conservatism and taking an integrated approach to right wing causes as a way to understand what this movement and its philosophy is really all about. A good jumping off point for exploring conservative motivations is posted today by George Lakoff on Alternet: What the Right-wing Assault on Women, Unions, the Environment, Health Care and PBS Is All About The central issue in our political life is not being discussed. At stake is the moral basis of American democracy. Budget deficits are a ruse, as we've seen in Wisconsin, where the Governor turned a surplus into a deficit by providing corporate tax breaks, and then used the deficit as a ploy to break the unions, not just in Wisconsin, but seeking to be the first domino in a nationwide conservative movement. Deficits can be addressed by raising revenue, plugging tax loopholes, putting people to work, and developing the economy long-term in all the ways the President has discussed. But deficits are not what really matters to conservatives. Conservatives really want to change the basis of American life, to make America run according to the conservative moral worldview in all areas of life. Conservatives believe in individual responsibility alone, not social responsibility. They don't think government should help its citizens. That is, they don't think citizens should help each other. The part of government they want to cut is not the military (we have 174 bases around the world), not government subsidies to corporations, not the aspect of government that fits their worldview. They want to cut the part that helps people. Why? Because that violates individual responsibility. But where does that view of individual responsibility alone come from?............... The way to understand the conservative moral system is to consider a strict father family. The father is The Decider, the ultimate moral authority in the family. His authority must not be challenged. His job is to protect the family, to support the family (by winning competitions in the marketplace), and to teach his kids right from wrong by disciplining them physically when they do wrong. The use of force is necessary and required. Only then will children develop the internal discipline to become moral beings. And only with such discipline will they be able to prosper. And what of people who are not prosperous? They don't have discipline, and without discipline they cannot be moral, so they deserve their poverty. The good people are hence the prosperous people. Helping others takes away their discipline, and hence makes them both unable to prosper on their own and function morally. The market itself is seen in this way. The slogan, "Let the market decide" assumes the market itself is The Decider. The market is seen as both natural (since it si assumed that people naturally seek their self-interest) and moral (if everyone seeks their own profit, the profit of all will be maximized by the invisible hand). As the ultimate moral authority, there should be no power higher than the market that might go against market values. Thus the government can spend money to protect the market and promote market values, but should not rule over it either through (1) regulation, (2) taxation, (3) unions and worker rights, (4) environmental protection or food safety laws, and (5) tort cases. Moreover, government should not do public service. The market has service industries for that. Thus, it would be wrong for the government to provide health care, education, public broadcasting, public parks, and so on............ In conservative family life, the strict father rules. Fathers and husbands should have control over reproduction; hence, parental and spousal notification laws and opposition to abortion. In conservative religion, God is seen as the strict father, the Lord, who rewards and punishes according to individual responsibility in following his Biblical word. Above all, the authority of conservatism itself must be maintained. The country should be ruled by conservative values, and progressive values are seen as evil. Science should have authority over the market, and so the science of global warming and evolution must be denied. ...................... Freedom is defined as being your own strict father - with individual not social responsibility, and without any government authority telling you what you can and cannot do. To defend that freedom as an individual, you will of course need a gun. This is the America that conservatives really want. Budget deficits are convenient ruses for destroying American democracy and replacing it with conservative rule in all areas of life. What is saddest of all is to see Democrats helping them. Exactly Mr. Lakoff! There are too many Democrats and liberals elsewhere who haven't been paying attention to the overall strategy that has changed our way of life over the last 30 years. And those who don't want to live under a Christian version of Muslim theocracy better wake up to it while we are still able to have a say about it. This is just another anti-religious rant in disguised. It touched on some "good" points though....for all Liberals and Leftwingers to chew on...what the Left is actually all about. Quote
betsy Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) If there is one big reason why I bolted and left all of rightwing political thinking behind me, it was the gradual discovery over the last ten years that individual conservative and libertarian causes weren't making sense. There were all of these little paradoxes like: why are rightwing capitalists who casually brush off poverty on the local and global level, so wound up about "unborn babies"....so wound up that they wave their general rules against government interference; Interpretation: Support the Feminist Movement - without question! why are U.S. conservatives so concerned about every penny spend on domestic budgets, but change the subject quick when it comes to government spending on the military; No one can climb on a soap box to spew out one's guts to his heart's content (as original poster is doing now) - if our military did not fight for rights and freedom. In cadence with WIP's style of delivery, I ask: Why do leftwingers/liberals wear their grievances over "freedom lost" so prominently on their sleeves.....and yet refuse to understand how freedom was gained? There is a clash with this rationale. how did Rightwing Christianity go from the traditional suspicious and hostile view of those who accumulate wealth to one that celebrates and revels in material wealth. There. That's the key word. Not just every religion. It has to be Christianity. I ask: How can the disgruntled ex-Christian overlook the fact that we live in a very materialistic, shallow world. Distractions at every turn. Where the distinction between right and wrong are now blurred. We are all humans, after all. A climate of the "me," the "I," the "mine." It's a culture of "It's my body!".... "I can do whatever I want!" ... ..."If I believe it's right, then it is right!" ... ..."If I believe it's the truth, then it's the truth." How can this dis-gruntled ex-Right Wing (and an ex-Christian at that) dismiss the fact that what we see now is the decay of society...thanks to hedonistic mind-set of liberals/leftwingers. These are just some of the mysteries of modern political/religious thinking that stopped making sense Of course it wouldn't make any sense to a God-less person. Can someone God-less really be able to lecture on morality? and cannot be explained as long as issues are compartmentalized Like Multi-culturalism. The neatly compartmentalized little pockets of ghettos. There have been many writers on the left of late who are taking a hard look at the authoritarian roots of conservatism and taking an integrated approach to right wing causes as a way to understand what this movement and its philosophy is really all about. A good jumping off point for exploring conservative motivations is posted today by George Lakoff on Alternet: Well Thank God, you have the freedom to express your rights! The central issue in our political life is not being discussed. At stake is the moral basis of American democracy. The leftwingers/liberals forget that the freedom of expression apply to all! University campuses (of all places) should know better.... should never attempt to stifle free expression! If Pro-Choice can have their say, then let the Pro-Lifers have their say! If leftwingers really practice what they preach....they should have demanded the NDP "Bubblezones" to be dismantled. If Anti-Semite speakers can give their speeches, then rightwing speakers have the right to do the same. Democracy is not only for the leftwingers/liberals. It's for EVERYONE! Budget deficits are a ruse, as we've seen in Wisconsin, where the Governor turned a surplus into a deficit by providing corporate tax breaks, and then used the deficit as a ploy to break the unions, not just in Wisconsin, but seeking to be the first domino in a nationwide conservative movement. Deficits can be addressed by raising revenue, plugging tax loopholes, putting people to work, and developing the economy long-term in all the ways the President has discussed. But deficits are not what really matters to conservatives. You complain now. Boy, wait til you see the spendings on the Leftwingers/Liberal agenda. Conservatives really want to change the basis of American life, Don't you? to make America run according to the conservative moral worldview in all areas of life. to make America run according to the Communist "moral" worldview in all areas of life. Including what you can eat and cannot eat. Conservatives believe in individual responsibility alone, not social responsibility. It's better than the belief of "NO RESPONSIBILITY" at all. It's always somebody's fault. Besides if there is no sense of social responsibility, there wouldn't be a drastic attempt at justice system overhaul when it is clear that the leftwinger's version of "social responsibility" is molly-cuddling the repeat offenders and dis-regarding crime victims. The way to understand the conservative moral system is to consider a strict father family. Under the leftwinger/liberal "moral" system I ask: What family? The family structure is going....going....and about to be really gone! The father is The Decider, the ultimate moral authority in the family. His authority must not be challenged. And the leftwinger/liberal want patriarchal be changed to matriarchal. They even went so far as to extend the rights of a matriarch. They gave her the right to kill her baby. Slippery slopes....what next? Disabled children have great need to be concerned. Unruly children need to quake in their boots. Talk about discipline! You ain't seen nothing yet. There is already the tool to be used. It ain't the belt or the strap or the wooden spoon. It's Post-Partum blues! His job is to protect the family, to support the family (by winning competitions in the marketplace), Yeah. But man has been EMASCULATED. By the liberal/leftwingers. Gee, they even line up now to have cosmetic surgeries (Ken Syndrome). In conservative family life, the strict father rules. Fathers and husbands should have control over reproduction; hence, parental and spousal notification laws and opposition to abortion. In conservative religion, God is seen as the strict father, the Lord, who rewards and punishes according to individual responsibility in following his Biblical word. I take it you converted to worshipping Khali? To defend that freedom as an individual, you will of course need a gun. This is what's scary....when someone like this talks about the value of democracy, then spouts something like this. Of course we don't need guns silly, what do you think. We'll plead! And say PLEASE. What is saddest of all is to see Democrats helping them. Because these Democrats realize it's one thing to cater and humor whimsical citizens whose heads are either in la-la land or in a cloud of pot smoke....and another thing to actually believe them. Edited February 21, 2011 by betsy Quote
GostHacked Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 There is no Left, there is no Right. They are both parts of the same problem. Quote
Shwa Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) I just love how the Americans dominate your political and ideological landscape. Now I truly understand why America is so important to some Canadians...and "our" way of life. George P. Lakoff is an American cognitive linguist and professor of linguistics at the University of California, Berkeley, where he has taught since 1972. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I mean, it is an interesting article and has relevance to a certain degree here, but hardly applicable to Canada in any meaningful way other than marginal influence which comes through opinion related news programming from the US. If could be that 'the right' in Canada is in conflict with 'all liberals and leftwingers' but it is hardly anything close to be called a war. As a nation we are a all very, very liberal and the few neocon types referred to in the OP are so far and few between in Canada it is hardly a contest at all. Heck, the lack of intelligent rebuttal from said neocons on this very board is an indication of how limp those folks really are in Canada. In the US, there is a reasoned response because there needs to be. In Canada, there is no need and thus no real skill developed towards those sorts of arguments all they have are weak one-liners or irrelvant slogans. The rightest we got in the mainstream in recent years was the early Reform Party and they had to merge with the Progressive Conservatives to even be viable to form a minority government. And, of course, once they get power their entire platform is as centrist - and liberal - as the damned Liberal Party. I suppose the piece is a nice contrast and can be used as such, but fails as an insight into the Canadian body politic. Chretien saying 'no' to Iraq II is more of an insight in my mind. Edited February 21, 2011 by Shwa Quote
Shwa Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 There is no Left, there is no Right. They are both parts of the same problem. So true, so true. As Canadian a response as there is GH. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 There is no Left, there is no Right. They are both parts of the same problem. There's something to this, though, in that the old line parties are both so addicted to their ad agencies telling them how to behave that they don't seem to be in touch. Facebook and social media changed regimes in Egypt... how will they do it here ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I mean, it is an interesting article and has relevance to a certain degree here, but hardly applicable to Canada in any meaningful way other than marginal influence which comes through opinion related news programming from the US. I used to think it was just far easier for Canadians to find American rhetoric with search engines, but there is something else at play here. It's as if the American version has more weight...more veracity..in the eyes of the Canadian left...or right. Even Steyn does it. Member Michael Hardner goes on to explain that lacking a unified baseline, the ever present American noise fills the void and becomes a defacto baseline for reference and debate between Canadians. ....Heck, the lack of intelligent rebuttal from said neocons on this very board is an indication of how limp those folks really are in Canada. In the US, there is a reasoned response because there needs to be. In Canada, there is no need and thus no real skill developed towards those sorts of arguments all they have are weak one-liners or irrelvant slogans. That makes a lot of sense...the reason America permeates so much of Canadian discourse is the absence of domestic content or easy access to same; ironically, CanCon rules do not apply. Attacking the Fraser Institute is not enough....must fight back those cons and neocons all the way across the border. Your post caps off what has been an interesting discovery process for me, as I sought to understand why any nation would inject so much of America into it's domestic political landscape. The rightest we got in the mainstream in recent years was the early Reform Party and they had to merge with the Progressive Conservatives to even be viable to form a minority government. And, of course, once they get power their entire platform is as centrist - and liberal - as the damned Liberal Party. Well, to be fair, some here have correctly pegged the Tories on the political spectrum vis-a-vis the American Democrats or Republicans, but then we are back to that same old issue. It shouldn't take such contrast and comparisons to define them at all. Canadians should be able to articulate this on their own, just as you have. I suppose the piece is a nice contrast and can be used as such, but fails as an insight into the Canadian body politic. Chretien saying 'no' to Iraq II is more of an insight in my mind. I agree...the Noam Chomskys or Al Gores "of the world" are a poor substitute for locally grown ideas and messengers. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) Member Michael Hardner goes on to explain that lacking a unified baseline, the ever present American noise fills the void and becomes a defacto baseline for reference and debate between Canadians. I don't think I said that as a general statement, although it's certainly always done with healthcare. I appear on my friend K's audioblog here. She's lovely, but I had to point out to her that she was bringing up the US healthcare system within 30 seconds or so of being asked what she thought about the Canadian system. Edited February 21, 2011 by Michael Hardner Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
betsy Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 It's as if the American version has more weight...more veracity..in the eyes of the Canadian left...or right. Layton rolled up his sleeves ala-Obama! Ignatieff had done the same. Both parties imported political strategists from the USofA! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 I don't think I said that as a general statement, although it's certainly always done with healthcare. Forgive me...it was not my intention to put words in your mouth. However, this was the perception I had based on previous discussion. It is a very important nuance, and you deserve the credit. I appear on my friend K's audioblog here. She's lovely, but I had to point out to her that she was bringing up the US healthcare system within 30 seconds or so of being asked what she thought about the Canadian system. ...and the (American) beat goes on! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Forgive me...it was not my intention to put words in your mouth. However, this was the perception I had based on previous discussion. It is a very important nuance, and you deserve the credit. Canadian attitudes towards healthcare are a particular peeve of mine, so that's where I noticed it first. I do think it happens in other areas, so I don't think you're overstepping by putting it out as a generalization. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Canadian attitudes towards healthcare are a particular peeve of mine, so that's where I noticed it first. I do think it happens in other areas, so I don't think you're overstepping by putting it out as a generalization. Well, to be frank...I am an engineer by training, and something just didn't add up. There was still something missing in the steady state part of the equation. It wasn't enough to just criticize America, there was another purpose, and that purpose was political discourse amongst Canadians. It's as if all Canadians were deaf...America just provides the sign language! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 It's as if all Canadians were deaf...America just provides the sign language! No - America provides the language. You think that Canada has anxiety over their neighbour... well other countries do too. Including France. I doubt most Americans realize that countries on other continents are concerned about cultural encroachment, but I guess that lack-of-realization speaks to the core of the problem. When you're #1 people just wait for you to fall... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GWiz Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 No - America provides the language. You think that Canada has anxiety over their neighbour... well other countries do too. Including France. I doubt most Americans realize that countries on other continents are concerned about cultural encroachment, but I guess that lack-of-realization speaks to the core of the problem. When you're #1 people just wait for you to fall... No worries, China has the USA's back (and several other parts as well)... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 No - America provides the language. You think that Canada has anxiety over their neighbour... well other countries do too. Including France. I doubt most Americans realize that countries on other continents are concerned about cultural encroachment, but I guess that lack-of-realization speaks to the core of the problem. Oh I'm sure you are correct, it's just a matter of degree. Some Americans are aware of such concerns, but only show restraint when necessary, say in a business context. Otherwise we truly are the "Ugly Americans", even those who have emigrated from the very same places. When you're #1 people just wait for you to fall... Hey, that's from Hollywood, USA too! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 No worries, China has the USA's back (and several other parts as well)... China....and many other nations. There is a reason for this. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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