bud Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 link The parliament's speaker will give an important annoucement shortly. According to the Egyptian Constitution, Fathy Sorour, by virtue of his parliamentary position, is the one entitled to take over the presidency for an interim period in case of a sudden presidential vacancy. mubarak milked it as much he wanted. he'll be on the first private jet with his millions to england. the question is, how will u.s. and israel handle this? u.s. shouldn't really care, but since this is israel's problem, they are forced to care. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
jbg Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 mubarak milked it as much he wanted. he'll be on the first private jet with his millions to england. the question is, how will u.s. and israel handle this? u.s. shouldn't really care, but since this is israel's problem, they are forced to care. How does your incessant attacks on Israel become germaine to this thread? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Moonlight Graham Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 How does your incessant attacks on Israel become germaine to this thread? His point is valid. Israel has more to win or lose with a regime change in Egypt than any other country (besides Egypt itself). Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
dre Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 How does your incessant attacks on Israel become germaine to this thread? Dude... WTF? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
August1991 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 mubarak milked it as much he wanted. he'll be on the first private jet with his millions to england. the question is, how will u.s. and israel handle this? u.s. shouldn't really care, but since this is israel's problem, they are forced to care.Ordinary Egyptians should thank George W. Bush for this turn of events in the Middle East - but no one in the Western MSM will acknowledge this evidence apparent to all. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Ordinary Egyptians should thank George W. Bush for this turn of events in the Middle East - but no one in the Western MSM will acknowledge this evidence apparent to all. Ordinary Egyptians should thank themselves. They're the ones on the street demanding change. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Ordinary Egyptians should thank George W. Bush for this turn of events in the Middle East - but no one in the Western MSM will acknowledge this evidence apparent to all. I imagine Bin Laden is probably feeling a little vindicated too, but it's true, he couldn't have pulled it off without Bush. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Jack Weber Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Ordinary Egyptians should thank George W. Bush for this turn of events in the Middle East - but no one in the Western MSM will acknowledge this evidence apparent to all. I'm afraid that this is only evident to you and other right wing ideologues who fawn over US conservatives... If it were up to the Bush (and mostly) Cheney types,a Fascist like Mubarak would be in power interminably... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
August1991 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Ordinary Egyptians should thank themselves. They're the ones on the street demanding change.I agree. But the demise of Saddam Hussein made the seemingly impossible, possible.Bush Jnr understood that "stability" and "peace process" are not terms in the interest of ordinary Arabs, or America. ----- But as I say, no one in the Western MSM will recognize this evident fact. Some in the Middle East may connect the dots. Quote
dre Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Ordinary Egyptians should thank George W. Bush for this turn of events in the Middle East - but no one in the Western MSM will acknowledge this evidence apparent to all. This is some of the nuttiest stuff Iv ever heard. They should thank George Bush and guys like him for being STUCK with Mobarak, a US backed dictator for all these years. Bush loved guys like this... dictators in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait, etc. He held their hands and gave them kisses! This has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq and is the last thing G-dub would have wanted anyways. Heres the GOP position shaping up. The Obama administration seems to want the dictator to stay in power as well. (CNN) - GOP Conference chairman Thaddeus McCotter voiced his support for Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak Friday in a statement released on his website.The Republican congressman from Michigan likened demonstrations in Egypt to "Iran's 1979 radical revolution." He cautions that those who "will be tempted to superficially interpret the Egyptian demonstrations as an uprising for populist democracy" should instead "recall how such similar initial views of the 1979 Iranian Revolution were belied by the mullahs' radical jackbooted murderers. The guy has a point. This looks a lot like the Iranian revolution. We have a populist uprising against a western backed thug, and an would be Islamic government waiting in the wings. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bob Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 His point is valid. Israel has more to win or lose with a regime change in Egypt than any other country (besides Egypt itself). Why don't you elaborate on that? I'd like to hear why you think Israel has such a stake in these events. I'd also like for bud to answer jbg's question - why is this "Israel's problem"? Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
scribblet Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Israel has a lot to lose if the Brotherhood or some other like minded regime takes over. It's not Israel's problem now, but if the worst scenario happens it could become Israel's problem. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Michael Hardner Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 If the Islamic government was an Islamic democratic government, then that would be a big problem. How do you support democracy when the will of the people is to engage in war with its neighbour ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Bob Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Israel has a lot to lose if the Brotherhood or some other like minded regime takes over. It's not Israel's problem now, but if the worst scenario happens it could become Israel's problem. Can you elaborate on that? Feel free to write more than fifteen words.... Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
jbg Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Israel has a lot to lose if the Brotherhood or some other like minded regime takes over. It's not Israel's problem now, but if the worst scenario happens it could become Israel's problem. If a state bordering Israel went in that direction, Israel would deal with the problem. With dispatch and without dithering or waffling. The first war Israel loses will be its last. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Bob Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) If a state bordering Israel went in that direction, Israel would deal with the problem. With dispatch and without dithering or waffling. The first war Israel loses will be its last. I'm not so sure. For many years and in many situations, Israeli leadership has placed its people and soldiers at increased risk for the benefit of the enemy and international politics and pressure (anti-Semitism). I can provide endless examples of this, big and small - from Golda Meir not striking first before the Yom Kippur when she knew our enemies were about to wage war on us, to the IDF rappelling troops onto the the terrorist-ridden Mavi Marmara, one at a time, armed with paintball guns. Our track record of prioritizing our lives and security about that of our enemies and anticipated international outcry (anti-Semitism) isn't stellar. Edited January 29, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Moonlight Graham Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Why don't you elaborate on that? I'd like to hear why you think Israel has such a stake in these events. I think it's fairly obvious. If there is a new regime in Egypt, how this regime views/deals with Egypt (positively or negatively) will have a huge impact on its security & on the Israeli/Palestinian peace process, and of course have an impact on the West Bank (edit: woops, i mean Gaza) and its people as well. What kind of regime is in Egypt certainly will impact what kind of goods, if any, are coming through those tunnels. Edited January 30, 2011 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
dre Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 I think it's fairly obvious. If there is a new regime in Egypt, how this regime views/deals with Egypt (positively or negatively) will have a huge impact on its security & on the Israeli/Palestinian peace process, and of course have an impact on the West Bank and its people as well. What kind of regime is in Egypt certainly will impact what kind of goods, if any, are coming through those tunnels. Israel and Egypt made peace because they were paid a lot of money to do so, and theyve been paid billions per year to keep that peace ever since then. If a new government takes over in Egypt they will be just as dependant on those payments as the old one was, and I dont see them risking cutting of that revenue stream by intentionally causing problems for Israel. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Israel and Egypt made peace because they were paid a lot of money to do so, and theyve been paid billions per year to keep that peace ever since then. If a new government takes over in Egypt they will be just as dependant on those payments as the old one was, and I dont see them risking cutting of that revenue stream by intentionally causing problems for Israel. There IS no Israel Palestinian Peace Process BTW. Thats a western pipe dream, and various parties in the middle east only pretend to be interested in it. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bob Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 I think it's fairly obvious. If there is a new regime in Egypt, how this regime views/deals with Egypt (positively or negatively) will have a huge impact on its security & on the Israeli/Palestinian peace process, and of course have an impact on the West Bank and its people as well. What kind of regime is in Egypt certainly will impact what kind of goods, if any, are coming through those tunnels. I also think it's obvious, but I want to know what you're getting at. What's obvious to me may not be obvious to you. What should Israel be concerned about, specifically? What kind of goods are we worried will get into Gaza, and why? Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
dre Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 I also think it's obvious, but I want to know what you're getting at. What's obvious to me may not be obvious to you. What should Israel be concerned about, specifically? What kind of goods are we worried will get into Gaza, and why? What kind of goods are we worried will get into Gaza, and why? If the blockade is any indication youre worried that things like food and medicine will get in. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bob Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 If the blockade is any indication youre worried that things like food and medicine will get in. The restrictions on Gaza from our end don't prevent basic necessities from getting in. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
dre Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 The restrictions on Gaza from our end don't prevent basic necessities from getting in. Sure they do. Numerous aid convoys have been sent packin, and Israel. Granted, the restrictions were eased after the world learned that Israel was using security as an excuse for collective punishment but still many of the restrictions have nothing to do with security. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bob Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Sure they do. Numerous aid convoys have been sent packin, and Israel. Granted, the restrictions were eased after the world learned that Israel was using security as an excuse for collective punishment but still many of the restrictions have nothing to do with security. Again, you're speaking about things you don't understand. Let's assume you at least acknowledge that Israel has legitimate security concerns with respect to what and who goes into and out of Gaza. It is therefore easy to understand that Israel will do what it can to ensure that what and who goes into and out of Gaza will be managed. What you don't read about in the newspaper is that Israel has to pay for this management. It's not cheap to station soldiers and continually update protocol based on updated intelligence and political considerations. If the permitted list of items that could enter Gaza was everything except weapons and dual-use materials, then there would be a massive influx of goods that we'd need to inspect. The larger the permitted list, the greater the costs incurred by us. Moreover, the greater the risk that we'll make a mistake and Jews will be killed. Every extra package that is permitted to enter is another inspection - which is another cost and another risk. That is why non-essentials aren't permitted to enter Gaza, because there's only so much money and manpower we can spend in order to ensure that little Mohammed and Fatima get their favorite breakfast cereals. Unless you're going to volunteer to man that checkpoint and inspect packages, then stop complaining. I won't even get into the concerns we have about what comes OUT of Gaza, let alone who can go in and under what circumstances we allow people to get out. All the conditions which regulate the movements of people and goods, of course, are constantly being attempted to be taken advantage of by people that want to kill us. Just another one of those things you don't understand because CBC won't tell you. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Bob Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) I'll add one more thing - it's pathetic for people, organizations, and governments to criticize Israel for not permitting certain items into Gaza from our end without realizing what I mentioned above. Gaza is a burden to us, not just economically but in terms of lives and suffering. If you want more things to be permitted to enter Gaza from our end, give us the money we need to handle the increased burden in inspections. Since you know nobody's going to do that, stop complaining. Edited January 29, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
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