Raising the US debt ceiling

punked · August 6, 2011

S&P says they downgraded because Republicans refuse any tax increases.

bush_cheney2004 · August 6, 2011

...And how's Obama's approval rating doing? Only those crazy fickle Canadians change their minds.

Goes up and down like any president's approval rating, but the Americans don't salivate over voting for Canada's ruling party and resulting Prime Minister.

bush_cheney2004 · August 6, 2011

S&P says they downgraded because Republicans refuse any tax increases.

That's OK....S&P / Moody's and others are the same clowns who rated asset and mortgage backed securities before the 2008 meltdown.

maple_leafs182 · August 6, 2011

That's OK....S&P / Moody's and others are the same clowns who rated asset and mortgage backed securities before the 2008 meltdown.

Well if you want people who tell the truth there is Ron Paul but you think he is a clown. Then there is Ben Bernake who said the economy was in good shape in 2008 yet people still listen to him.

But I kind of agree with you, I don't care what these rating agencies rate, I think for myself and make my own calls, I would of downgraded the US bonds a long time ago.

Edited August 6, 2011 by maple_leafs182

punked · August 6, 2011

Well if you want people who tell the truth there is Ron Paul but you think he is a clown. Then there is Ben Bernake who said the economy was in good shape in 2008 yet people still listen to him.

But I kind of agree with you, I don't care what these rating agencies rate, I think for myself and make my own calls, I would of downgraded the US bonds a long time ago.

Ron Paul's commitment to the gold standard makes him look like a crack pot.

Sir Bandelot · August 6, 2011

Leader of the US imperialist superpower is a decision that holds many consequences. I wouldn't want to see Sarah Palin or the other wacko chick get the job.

And no I can't vote for it but people still keep their fingers crossed, hope that the lesser of the evils is the one who gets elected. Hard to say if Obama was a better or worse choice than John McCain.

Seems to me some Americans practically wanted to commit suicide when Obama got elected. They needed depression therapy. Others went so gaga with glee that they thought he was the second coming of Jesus.

Not this poster. I, like other sensible people preferred to wait and see, as we know a lot of promises get made that never become reality. As it was, I started my "NOBAMA" campaign pretty early.

Those people who went over the top in their response were perhaps foolish, easily mislead by media hype but the fact that they could later change their mind based on reality is at least something. It's the ones who remain dogmatic right to the end, despite facts that really have the mental problem.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Sir Bandelot

Jack Weber · August 6, 2011

Leader of the US imperialist superpower is a decision that holds many consequences. I wouldn't want to see Sarah Palin or the other wacko chick get the job.

And no I can't vote for it but people still keep their fingers crossed, hope that the lesser of the evils is the one who gets elected. Hard to say if Obama was a better or worse choice than John McCain.

Seems to me some Americans practically wanted to commit suicide when Obama got elected. They needed depression therapy. Others went so gaga with glee that they thought he was the second coming of Jesus.

Not this poster. I, like other sensible people preferred to wait and see, as we know a lot of promises get made that never become reality. As it was, I started my "NOBAMA" campaign pretty early.

Those people who went over the top in their response were perhaps foolish, easily mislead by media hype but the fact that they could later change their mind based on reality is at least something. It's the ones who remain dogmatic right to the end, despite facts that really have the mental problem.

Michelle Bachmann is the looney tunes wacko you're talking about...

And yes,a toe holds grip on reality she does not have!!!

:lol:

There's an auto racing website I frequent that has a US politics board...

EXTREMELY RIGHT WING!!!!

When Obama got elected I could'nt believe the lunatic stuff I was reading..

some of it included:

1.Purchasing many guns and building bunkers in case Obama sent his "Brownshirt minions" to confiscate all firearms!

2.Nationalization of all means of production..ie. Marxism

3.Complete and total confusion that Obama was somehow a Marxist and a NAZI all rolled into one...

4.Extremely racist stuff I won't reproduce here..

There was more and it was all lunatic fringe,right wing stuff...

Edited August 6, 2011 by Jack Weber

bush_cheney2004 · August 6, 2011

Leader of the US imperialist superpower is a decision that holds many consequences. I wouldn't want to see Sarah Palin or the other wacko chick get the job.

Why not? Are you afraid of women in leadership positions?

Sir Bandelot · August 6, 2011

Why not? Are you afraid of women in leadership positions?

I have no problem with putting a woman on top

Bonam · August 6, 2011

Why not? Are you afraid of women in leadership positions?

Republicans have gotten way too religious lately. Republicans are good as opposition, where they can slow down the rate at which democrats spend money. But give them all the reigns, and given the kinds of things their presidential candidates have been saying, America would be a Christeofascist theocracy in no time.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Bonam

Jack Weber · August 6, 2011

Republicans have gotten way too religious lately. Republicans are good as opposition, where they can slow down the rate at which democrats spend money. But give them all the reigns, and given the kinds of things their presidential candidates have been saying, America would be a Christeofascist theocracy in no time.

Christeofascist...

I've never heared that one before...

Francisco Franco called himself a "Conservative Monarchist" and was a devout Catholic,for what it's worth..

He's about as close to the term "Christeofascist" I can think of...

Bonam · August 6, 2011

Christeofascist...

I've never heared that one before...

Yeah... I just made it up now. I think the meaning is pretty clear though.

bush_cheney2004 · August 6, 2011

... But give them all the reigns, and given the kinds of things their presidential candidates have been saying, America would be a Christeofascist theocracy in no time.

Fix the Canadian Constitution Act (favoring Catholics and Protestants in several provinces)...then we can talk.

Bonam · August 6, 2011

Fix the Canadian Constitution Act (favoring Catholics and Protestants in several provinces)...then we can talk.

Why? Just a few more months til I have my green card in hand, and I've been living in the US for over 2 years. Anyway, I'll talk about what I please when I please. Free speech and all.

bush_cheney2004 · August 6, 2011

Why? Just a few more months til I have my green card in hand, and I've been living in the US for over 2 years. Anyway, I'll talk about what I please when I please. Free speech and all.

That's fine...and welcome permanently to the land of Christeofascists! I guess you can leave once the scientist and engineer burnings start if you want.

God bless you. And God bless the United States of America!

Jack Weber · August 6, 2011

Yeah... I just made it up now. I think the meaning is pretty clear though.

Yes...

If things end up in a Christeofascist scenario,we would be subjected to the likes of Joel Osteen and his preaching of "Prosperity Theology"...

Bonam · August 6, 2011

That's fine...and welcome permanently to the land of Christeofascists! I guess you can leave once the scientist and engineer burnings start if you want.

Yep, dual residence/citizenship ftw, I can always go back to America's hat. I'd rather it didn't come to that though.

God bless you. And God bless the United States of America!

Can't be blessed by something that doesn't exist. How is the Texas governer's "praying for rain" working out? Thanks though.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Bonam

bush_cheney2004 · August 6, 2011

Yep, dual residence/citizenship ftw, I can always go back to America's hat. I'd rather it didn't come to that though.

Strange things can happen....God says deport all Canadians!!

Can't be blessed by something that doesn't exist. How is the Texas governer's "praying for rain" working out? Thanks though.

Hey that's just part of the deal....America believes in God and thermonuclear weapons.

Bonam · August 6, 2011

Strange things can happen....God says deport all Canadians!!

Wouldn't surprise me. God says whatever the heck the person speaking for him wants him to say.

Hey that's just part of the deal....America believes in God and thermonuclear weapons.

I can get behind the thermonuclear weapons.

August 6, 2011

American Woman, on 05 August 2011 - 09:51 PM, said: Not only is Obama fever over, but apparently Americans were stupid for electing him. I remember the good ol' "we don't hate America, we hate Bush and company" days. Now I see we can just fill-in-the-blank with the current president, regardless......
How surprising that Canadians would be fickle about their approval of another country's leader.

And how's Obama's approval rating doing? Only those crazy fickle Canadians change their minds.

What's surprising is how much Canadians cared about who we elected in the first place - "another country's leader." As I said, Obama had higher approval ratings outside the U.S. than within - and the world cheered when Obama won. Gone were the days of Bush - Americans were redeemed. Americans per se weren't hated - it was Bush and company that was hated, and Americans by extension for voting for him.

So THAT'S what I was obviously referring to in my post - and it has nothing to do with Obama's "approval rating" in the U.S. And it's a lesson learned. The anti-Americanism that existed wasn't because Americans elected Bush - and the attitude prevailing today proves it. Americans elected the loved-by-the-world Obama, yet now we take flack for that, too. And anti-Americanism still exists. It wasn't anti-Bush/blame the Americans for electing him. It was anti-Americanism. And as I said, it's a lesson learned on my part.

Edited August 6, 2011 by American Woman

pinko · August 6, 2011

What's surprising is how much Canadians cared about who we elected in the first place - "another country's leader." As I said, Obama had higher approval ratings outside the U.S. than within - and the world cheered when Obama won. Gone were the days of Bush - Americans were redeemed. Americans per se weren't hated - it was Bush and company that was hated, and Americans by extension for voting for him.

So THAT'S what I was obviously referring to in my post - and it has nothing to do with Obama's "approval rating" in the U.S. And it's a lesson learned. The anti-Americanism that existed wasn't because Americans elected Bush - and the attitude prevailing today proves it. Americans elected the loved-by-the-world Obama, yet now we take flack for that, too. And anti-Americanism still exists. It wasn't anti-Bush/blame the Americans for electing him. It was anti-Americanism. And as I said, it's a lesson learned on my part.

Maybe some Canadians saw Obama as a beacon of hope especially when considered in the context of the Bush Administration.

August 6, 2011

Maybe some Canadians saw Obama as a beacon of hope especially when considered in the context of the Bush Administration.

And that he wasn't - that he was a disappoinment - should be attributed to Americans - the U.S.?

As I said, I see it now for what it was/is. The U.S./Americans aren't as 'bad' as people make it out to be and Canadians/Canada isn't as 'good' as it's made out to be (and that goes for the rest of the world, too) - and The Ugly American isn't just a U.S. phenomenon. And that's ok. It is what it is, and that doesn't diminish the good qualities of either. It's just good to be aware of the reality.

Oleg Bach · August 6, 2011

If book keepers running the government were in China - and doing what they do in the west - they would be disposed of and replaced - in the west poor managers are given more and more money - to balance the books ---money that does not exist...we have a fantacy fiscal system here...and there are no consequences - How come the big dog Americans have not tossed a few congressmen and woman in jail for deriliction of duty?

maple_leafs182 · August 6, 2011

What's surprising is how much Canadians cared about who we elected in the first place - "another country's leader." As I said, Obama had higher approval ratings outside the U.S. than within - and the world cheered when Obama won. Gone were the days of Bush - Americans were redeemed. Americans per se weren't hated - it was Bush and company that was hated, and Americans by extension for voting for him.

So THAT'S what I was obviously referring to in my post - and it has nothing to do with Obama's "approval rating" in the U.S. And it's a lesson learned. The anti-Americanism that existed wasn't because Americans elected Bush - and the attitude prevailing today proves it. Americans elected the loved-by-the-world Obama, yet now we take flack for that, too. And anti-Americanism still exists. It wasn't anti-Bush/blame the Americans for electing him. It was anti-Americanism. And as I said, it's a lesson learned on my part.

It has nothing to do with being anti-american. Obama is no different then Bush, it is as if Bush had a third term. The only difference is if Bush was still president the liberals would be screaming bloody murder over the wars Obama started but since its a democrat they turn a blind eye, after all, when a democrat orders people to kill it's humanitarian.

I never rooted for Obama, I saw past the lame campaign slogan.

maple_leafs182 · August 6, 2011

Ron Paul's commitment to the gold standard makes him look like a crack pot.

The reason why he was so successful in predicting future events is the same reason why he wants a gold standard. It's his understanding of Austrian economics and the business cycle.