The crisis in Egypt

[GWiz]

The attacks on embassies didn't happen until after the Ayatollahs were in charge.

- The Iranian Revolution (also known as the Islamic Revolution or 1979 Revolution;[1][2][3][4][5][6] Persian: انقلاب اسلامی, Enghelābe Eslāmi or انقلاب بیست و دو بهمن) refers to events involving the overthrow of Iran's monarchy (Pahlavi dynasty) under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and its replacement with an Islamic republic under Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the revolution.

Demonstrations against the Shah began in January 1978.[7] Between August and December 1978 strikes and demonstrations paralyzed the country. The Shah left Iran for exile in mid-January 1979, and in the resulting power vacuum two weeks later Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Tehran to a greeting by several million Iranians.[8] The royal regime collapsed shortly after on February 11 when guerrillas and rebel troops overwhelmed troops loyal to the Shah in armed street fighting. Iran voted by national referendum to become an Islamic Republic on April 1, 1979 ,[9] and to approve a new theocratic constitution whereby Khomeini became Supreme Leader of the country, in December 1979 .

The revolution was unusual for the surprise it created throughout the world:[10] it lacked many of the customary causes of revolution (defeat at war, a financial crisis, peasant rebellion, or disgruntled military); [11] produced profound change at great speed;[12] was massively popular;[13] overthrew a puppet regime heavily protected by a lavishly financed army and security services;[14][15] and replaced a modernising monarchy with a theocracy based on Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists (or velayat-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolutione faqih). Its outcome — an Islamic Republic "under the guidance of an extraordinary religious scholar from Qom" — was, as one scholar put it, "clearly an occurrence that had to be explained."[16]. -

Other than the fact that a Dictator was removed from power there are absolutely no simularities between the Iranian Revolution and the events in Egypt..

Nuff said?

[GWiz]

Answered.

BTW, Laurence Solomon makes the point in his column today that the urban people involved in the demonstrations in Cairo etc are a far cry from the rural people who make up the great bulk of Egypt's population. Few of the latter seem terribly interested in western democratic values, instead preferring an Islamic "caliphate" with Sharia law.

So what? I should care what Laurence Soloman (or anyone else with an OPINION) says why?

[Scotty]

So what? I should care what Laurence Soloman (or anyone else with an OPINION) says why?

Actually, yes, given that what he was stating was the OPINION of Egyptians.

[Scotty]

Other than the fact that a Dictator was removed from power there are absolutely no simularities between the Iranian Revolution and the events in Egypt..

Nuff said?

I disagree. In Iran, the dictator was removed, and a temporary government put in place which was made up of various elements of society which had come together to remove him. There were Islamists, Socialists, Feminists, and a lot of urban elite types who had starry eyes about a modern democratic state. The problem was the bulk of the Iranian population were backward and unsophisticated, and their lives revolved around Islam.

Egypt also had various elements of their largely urban society come together to remove a dictator. But Egypt too, has a large, unsophisticated population whose lives revolve around Islam. And given a vote or referendum, those urban educated people will be outvoted - as they were in Iran, as they were in Algeria, and the people will get the Islamic state they desire. Whether all those urban types will wind up getting shot for their trouble, as they were in Iran, remains to be seen.

[bush_cheney2004]

... The problem was the bulk of the Iranian population were backward and unsophisticated, and their lives revolved around Islam.

....But Egypt too, has a large, unsophisticated population whose lives revolve around Islam. And given a vote or referendum, those urban educated people will be outvoted....

Wow....this is quite a simplification, if not outright ignorance. How would you characterize Canadians or Americans whose lives "revolve around" Christianity? Are they "unsophisticated" as well?

Edited February 14, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[Scotty]

Wow....this is quite a simplification, if not outright ignorance. How would you characterize Canadians or Americans whose lives "revolve around" Christianity? Are they "unsophisticated" as well?

Anyone whose lives revolve around an ancient religion which hasn't been modernized or updated in centuries is by definition backward in culture, outlook and thought. Christianity has gone through a number of evolutions in the past several centuries. Islam has gone through none. How many Americans in the deep south would agree that anyone who tries to convert to another religion should be executed?

[GWiz]

I disagree. In Iran, the dictator was removed, and a temporary government put in place which was made up of various elements of society which had come together to remove him. There were Islamists, Socialists, Feminists, and a lot of urban elite types who had starry eyes about a modern democratic state. The problem was the bulk of the Iranian population were backward and unsophisticated, and their lives revolved around Islam.

Egypt also had various elements of their largely urban society come together to remove a dictator. But Egypt too, has a large, unsophisticated population whose lives revolve around Islam. And given a vote or referendum, those urban educated people will be outvoted - as they were in Iran, as they were in Algeria, and the people will get the Islamic state they desire. Whether all those urban types will wind up getting shot for their trouble, as they were in Iran, remains to be seen.

Totally FALSE...

- The Iranian Revolution (also known as the Islamic Revolution or 1979 Revolution;[1][2][3][4][5][6] Persian: انقلاب اسلامی, Enghelābe Eslāmi or انقلاب بیست و دو بهمن) refers to events involving the overthrow of Iran's monarchy (Pahlavi dynasty) under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and its replacement with an Islamic republic under Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the revolution.

Demonstrations against the Shah began in January 1978.[7] Between August and December 1978 strikes and demonstrations paralyzed the country. The Shah left Iran for exile in mid-January 1979, and in the resulting power vacuum two weeks later Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Tehran to a greeting by several million Iranians.[8] The royal regime collapsed shortly after on February 11 when guerrillas and rebel troops overwhelmed troops loyal to the Shah in armed street fighting. Iran voted by national referendum to become an Islamic Republic on April 1, 1979 ,[9] and to approve a new theocratic constitution whereby Khomeini became Supreme Leader of the country, in December 1979 .

The revolution was unusual for the surprise it created throughout the world:[10] it lacked many of the customary causes of revolution (defeat at war, a financial crisis, peasant rebellion, or disgruntled military); [11] produced profound change at great speed;[12] was massively popular;[13] overthrew a puppet regime heavily protected by a lavishly financed army and security services;[14][15] and replaced a modernising monarchy with a theocracy based on Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists (or velayat- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolutione faqih). Its outcome — an Islamic Republic "under the guidance of an extraordinary religious scholar from Qom" — was, as one scholar put it, "clearly an occurrence that had to be explained."[16]. -

What part of that did you not understand?

[GWiz]

Actually, yes, given that what he was stating was the OPINION of Egyptians.

Actually, NO...

If I want an OPINION about Egypt and what's really happening there I prefer this opinion...

Egypt envoy to Canada hails historic, proud moment in wake of Mubarak ouster

[jbg]

Other than the fact that a Dictator was removed from power there are absolutely no simularities between the Iranian Revolution and the events in Egypt..

Nuff said?

Unless we're at the same point that Iran was exactly 32 years before Mubarak's ouster, on February 11, 1979.

[GWiz]

Unless we're at the same point that Iran was exactly 32 years before Mubarak's ouster, on February 11, 1979.

- Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Tehran to a greeting by several million Iranians.[8] The royal regime collapsed shortly after on February 11, 1979 when guerrillas and rebel troops overwhelmed troops loyal to the Shah in armed street fighting.

NOPE!!! No simularity there at all...

[Bonam]

Wow....this is quite a simplification, if not outright ignorance. How would you characterize Canadians or Americans whose lives "revolve around" Christianity? Are they "unsophisticated" as well?

That would be a polite way to put it, yes.

[bud]

"islamic caliphate"

sounds like we have a few glenn beck viewers here spreading lunatic glenn beck conspiracy theories.

Edited February 15, 2011 by bud

[JB Globe]

Unless we're at the same point that Iran was exactly 32 years before Mubarak's ouster, on February 11, 1979.

Except - there is no popular religious leader like Khomeini, the clerics did not organize the opposition, and the army has taken over . . . Meaning that it's pretty much NOTHING like Iran '79.

But I digress, perhaps you could point out specific examples of how it's like Iran, like "they both have a lot of Muslims!" or "They deposed a dictator!"

[GWiz]

Except - there is no popular religious leader like Khomeini, the clerics did not organize the opposition, and the army has taken over . . . Meaning that it's pretty much NOTHING like Iran '79.

But I digress, perhaps you could point out specific examples of how it's like Iran, like "they both have a lot of Muslims!" or "They deposed a dictator!"

[GWiz]

"islamic caliphate"

sounds like we have a few glenn beck viewers here spreading lunatic glenn beck conspiracy theories.

Ooo yaaa...

[Scotty]

Actually, NO...

If I want an OPINION about Egypt and what's really happening there I prefer this opinion...

Egypt envoy to Canada hails historic, proud moment in wake of Mubarak ouster

So the opinion polls taken on what Egyptians think aren't of any significance as compared to what a paid mouthpiece for the Egyptian government says?

[GWiz]

So the opinion polls taken on what Egyptians think aren't of any significance as compared to what a paid mouthpiece for the Egyptian government says?

Not at all, but you're looking at the wrong POLL, the only POLL that counts in this case is the POLL we all were witness to... I'll take the findings of a POLL of hundreds of thousands perhaps Millions over a POLL of 10-20 people anyTIME...

[GostHacked]

WARNING VERY GRAPHIC SCENES OF PEOPLE BEING SHOT IN THE STREETS.

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2011/02/18/watching-bahrain-through-a-friends-eyes-heartbroken/

Egyptian protestor shot in the streets.

I just don't know what to say, but you won't see this stuff on mainstream media. It should be. Why? Because it is shocking? Because it is graphic? No, because it is the sad state of the world we live in these days. And if you think that this can't happen here , then you are sadly delusioned.

[Mr.Canada]

WARNING VERY GRAPHIC SCENES OF PEOPLE BEING SHOT IN THE STREETS.

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2011/02/18/watching-bahrain-through-a-friends-eyes-heartbroken/

Egyptian protestor shot in the streets.

I just don't know what to say, but you won't see this stuff on mainstream media. It should be. Why? Because it is shocking? Because it is graphic? No, because it is the sad state of the world we live in these days. And if you think that this can't happen here , then you are sadly delusioned.

I've been screaming it for years on here, they won't listen.

Bahrain is ruled much like Saudi Arabia, by a royal family. Bahrain is an Islamic state. This is the poison that is spreading throughout Africa and the Middle East. The takeover of Egypt by the Islamic-Socialist revolution was applauded by the NDP of Canada. The NDP is on the side of Jihadist. The NDP will be hyper critical of Israel and the Jewish people while downplaying and even approving of any action made by the Islamic side. Just watch their language and you'll see as I do my friends. The NDP approves of groups like Hamas, Hezzbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood in the media kowtowing to their Muslim masters.

I wonder how much money Muslims are donating to the NDP compared to other parties. This would be very interesting information to have. We know most Christians donate to the Tories but Christians aren't plotting to bring down western civilization to replace to with a pan Islamic-socialist one world government are they?

[Michael Hardner]

I wonder how much money Muslims are donating to the NDP compared to other parties. This would be very interesting information to have. We know most Christians donate to the Tories but Christians aren't plotting to bring down western civilization to replace to with a pan Islamic-socialist one world government are they?

Certainly there are some groups that are doing this ? How do you think we should assess that threat ?

I think the Muslims in those countries would do well to remember the Iranian revolution of 1979. Maybe they will !

[Sir Bandelot]

From what I have determined, the "riots" in Egypt have not really stopped. They are now being renamed to "Union and Labour protests", evoking socialist and communiest takeovers. Complainers. They now threaten to destabilize the system, and harm the economy which the army is prepared to protect.

[Mr.Canada]

Certainly there are some groups that are doing this ? How do you think we should assess that threat ?

I think the Muslims in those countries would do well to remember the Iranian revolution of 1979. Maybe they will !

Well if they are then their activities need to be monitored carefully. If found in collusion with hostile Islamic groups then the amount of collusion needs to be determined. Arrest all guilty parties and charge them with treason. Immediately deport non citizens, revoke any visas etc.

A strong message needs to be sent. Canada will not stand idle while she rots from the inside out. Cut out the cancer and move on. Justice needs to be swift and strong.

From what I have determined, the "riots" in Egypt have not really stopped. They are now being renamed to "Union and Labour protests", evoking socialist and communiest takeovers. Complainers. They now threaten to destabilize the system, and harm the economy which the army is prepared to protect.

I've been saying this from the beginning. I was laughed at. Looks like I was correct about the socialist-Islamic pact. People need to wake the hell up and understand how dangerous this threat is to Canada and the world.

Edited February 19, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[GostHacked]

I've been screaming it for years on here, they won't listen.

I think you are missing the point.

Bahrain is ruled much like Saudi Arabia, by a royal family. Bahrain is an Islamic state. This is the poison that is spreading throughout Africa and the Middle East.

I am sure you can explain why it is poison?

The takeover of Egypt by the Islamic-Socialist revolution was applauded by the NDP of Canada.

The west has had more involvement with Egypts current revolution that the west is leading on to. They helped facilitate the demise of Mubarak, they made him fall on his on sword.

The NDP will be hyper critical of Israel and the Jewish people while downplaying and even approving of any action made by the Islamic side. Just watch their language and you'll see as I do my friends. The NDP approves of groups like Hamas, Hezzbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood in the media kowtowing to their Muslim masters.

Tripe. This is not about Jews, or Israelis. This is about how some the residents/citizens of countries are sick and tired of our western governments supporting these corrupt leaders.

I wonder how much money Muslims are donating to the NDP compared to other parties. This would be very interesting information to have. We know most Christians donate to the Tories but Christians aren't plotting to bring down western civilization to replace to with a pan Islamic-socialist one world government are they?

Way to turn it into something against the Jews, sickning really. No wonder it's called the Jewish Victim Complex. If anything it is payback from the Muslim world, in how the west has treated them and portrayed them on TV. Anyone with two brain cells and limited synapse functionality can understand that.

[Michael Hardner]

Well if they are then their activities need to be monitored carefully. If found in collusion with hostile Islamic groups then the amount of collusion needs to be determined. Arrest all guilty parties and charge them with treason. Immediately deport non citizens, revoke any visas etc.

A strong message needs to be sent. Canada will not stand idle while she rots from the inside out. Cut out the cancer and move on. Justice needs to be swift and strong.

I'm not sure what you're saying - monitored where ? In Canada ? They're doing that now. Elsewhere ? That's not our job.

[Mr.Canada]

I'm not sure what you're saying - monitored where ? In Canada ? They're doing that now. Elsewhere ? That's not our job.

I'm not sure if these events are being monitored in Canada or not. The entire NDP caucus may need to be put under surveillance if they're collaborating or supporting groups like Hamas and Hezzbollah or the Muslim Brotherhood. If evidence is found that they are then the entire caucus needs to be arrested and charged accordingly. The NDP will then need to be outlawed and deemed a terrorist group and put on the list.

I'd also like the possible surveillance of certain Islamic centres and Mosques in Canada which are nothing more then Jihadist training centres.

Bye elections will then need to be held in order to fill the newly vacant, now outlawed, NDP seats.

Of coarse it is our job Michael. That's why every nation has spies. So we can keep tabs on these people.