PIK Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 They asked him to stand for roll call,but since he has bad back, the great human rights commision agreed and gave him the money. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
M.Dancer Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 They asked him to stand for roll call,but since he has bad back, the great human rights commision agreed and gave him the money. A link might explain what you are refering to. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
PIK Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Posted January 13, 2011 A link might explain what you are refering to. I bet it would make a difference if you knew what the hell I was talking about. lol my mistake.http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2011/01/12/16868266.html Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Posted January 13, 2011 So lefties ,what do you say about this, that the poor boy himself is a victim. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 I think the correctional officer who decided to be an ass-hole and ignore the waiver granted to Peter Collins should pay the $9500.00. Other than that...$10 bucks says the above-mentioned ass-hole is a hard-core right-wing one. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
PIK Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Posted January 13, 2011 I think the correctional officer who decided to be an ass-hole and ignore the waiver granted to Peter Collins should pay the $9500.00. Other than that...$10 bucks says the above-mentioned ass-hole is a hard-core right-wing one. Just what I thought, typical hard core left wingnut. But who cares about the cop or his family that was hurt alot more by his actions. Did you read how he killed the cop, that ass hole should have been excuted,not making money off being in prison. But hey stories like these are pissing off the taxpayer that it can only help with our harper majority, so I should really thank you for coming thru and proving once again how out to lunch you and your ilk are . Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
M.Dancer Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 I think it is appropriate is they ignored a waiver that they be fined. I think the money should go the the officers widow. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Just what I thought, typical hard core left wingnut. But who cares about the cop or his family that was hurt alot more by his actions. Did you read how he killed the cop, that ass hole should have been excuted,not making money off being in prison. But hey stories like these are pissing off the taxpayer that it can only help with our harper majority, so I should really thank you for coming thru and proving once again how out to lunch you and your ilk are . The fact the Correctional Service of Canada hired an ass-hole is what cost taxpayer's their money here. If Harper ever get's a majority I suspect your ilk will be pushing him to have our enforcement and judicial institutions not just staffed by these ass-holes but run by them too. Given the way you've presented this case it's hard not to conclude you'd like to incorporate more sadism into our treatment of prisoners. That you've also decided to side-swipe lefties in the process suggests if not proves a few things too. I suspect a lot of the pain some victim's families are subjected to can be traced to the way people of your ilk always use stories like these to whip up public fervour for crackin' down and gettin' tough on crime. You're what's called a moral entrepreneur, you may not be making money but you're still making hay off this guy being in prison too. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Michael Hardner Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 They don't have a separate set of rules for prisoners for some things. It sucks, but these things follow rules,so why get upset about it ? Managing the outrage-o-sphere is itself a full time job that none of us want to engage in, or have our government do. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
guyser Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 But who cares about the cop or his family that was hurt alot more by his actions. Did you read how he killed the cop, that ass hole should have been excuted,not making money off being in prison. I imagine a lot of people care about the cop and his family. Did you donate money to the cop, since I presume you care so much? I doubt it. However, seperate issue, but nice try to link the two. It generally gets those that dont think upset. But hey stories like these are pissing off the taxpayer that it can only help with our harper majority, so I should really thank you for coming thru and proving once again how out to lunch you and your ilk are . Out to lunch would be someone who attempts to link the killing of a cop to this issue. When you cant win with brains, bring emotion into the mix. It appears obvious to have worked for you. It is a sad fact that the cop was killed. Nothing can bring that back to his family. It is sad for his family and his children. But lets not forget that his widow and children are more than looked after by the benefit package that kicks in. Suffice to say, another $9500 would be a drop in the bucket. But thanks for trying. Quote
dre Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 It sucks, but these things follow rules,so why get upset about it ? Its just emotional reactionism... like when the store owner got charged for wrapping up a shop lifter with duct tape, and tossing him into the back of a van. If emotional reactionist outrage is taken off the table what do you expect him to do all day? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
The_Squid Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Why the person was in jail is a red herring. It says nothing about whether this particular judgement was fair or not. Quote
eyeball Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 Why the person was in jail is a red herring. It says nothing about whether this particular judgement was fair or not. Apparently it's what the judgement says about lefties that is supposed to be important. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
M.Dancer Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 I was thinking about this last night. I have some quetions which unfortunately can't be answered. This fellow, who was asked to stand (but has a waiver allowing him to sit..) 1) Is he confined to a wheel chair? 2) Does he walk about, ie to the mess hall, receration etc? 3) Was he able to walk when he decided to kill a cop? If he is not confined to a wheel chair, then perhaps this waiver is simply an attempt to con the system. If so....maybe a real doctor should have a look at him... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
wyly Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 prisons are full of really nasty people but we do not torture or abuse them regardless of the crime they have committed, all have to be treated equally, just because this killed a cop is irrelevant...chronic back pain is hell if a MD has cleared him from certain tasks that directive needs to be respected so pay the guy his compensation and move on... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
eyeball Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 prisons are full of really nasty people but we do not torture or abuse them regardless of the crime they have committed, all have to be treated equally, just because this killed a cop is irrelevant...chronic back pain is hell if a MD has cleared him from certain tasks that directive needs to be respected so pay the guy his compensation and move on... Not so fast, like Morris I have a few questions I'd like to have answered too. Has the CSC fired or suspended the employee that abused this inmate in the first place? How will the CSC ensure this abuse doesn't happen in the future? Society is also full of really nasty people who seem to think that we need a more brutal prison system and cases like these only seem to encourage them. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Keepitsimple Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) I think it is appropriate is they ignored a waiver that they be fined. I think the money should go the the officers widow. Will you please STOP making sense.....otherwise we'll have to ask you to leave this board. Edited January 14, 2011 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Esq Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 I think it is digusting that you are advocating cruel and unusual punishment as acceptable. What someone does shouldn't effect their rights under law. Someone who is convicted of something regardless of whether they did it or not, is still entitled to the same rights as anyone else under the law. Just because you don't think so makes you just as bad as anyone else torturing another person. Torture is a far worse crime than murder. Quote
Saipan Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 What someone does shouldn't effect their rights under law. Yes, it does. They broke that law. Quote
Esq Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 Yes, it does. They broke that law. No it doesn't. There are penalties, but those penalties do not remove their other rights. The judge sets out a sentence - it is unconstitutional to include cruel and unusual punishment in that sentence. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 Yes, it does. They broke that law. In China perhaps, not here. And that's what makes our society great. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Guest American Woman Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 Here's a link to the case: PETER M. COLLINS Complainant - and - CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION Commission - and - CORRECTIONAL SERVICE OF CANADA Respondent Quite interesting. Interesting to note that Collins also received a Human Rights award in 2008: Peter Collins, 46, has been honoured with the 2008 Canadian Award for Action on HIV/AIDS and Human Rights, the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network announced Monday. Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/06/17/ot-collins-080617.html#ixzz1BDnGzFin Quote
eyeball Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) His fight for harm reduction programs sometimes led to clashes with authorities, said the group that handed out the award.Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/06/17/ot-collins-080617.html#ixzz1BEhbmryq It's like I said, society is full of really nasty people who seem to think that we need a more brutal and less humane justice system and cases involving convicts who succeed at turning their lives around and be a benefit to people must really piss them off. Edited January 16, 2011 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Saipan Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 In China perhaps, not here. And that's what makes our society great. You're confusing political disidents with criminals. They do that in Cuba as well. Quote
Saipan Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 No it doesn't. There are penalties, but those penalties do not remove their other rights. The judge sets out a sentence - it is unconstitutional to include cruel and unusual punishment in that sentence. Cruel and unusual are the CRIMINALS. Forcing the victims to pay for their upkeep is also CRUEL. But not unusual in upside down JustAss system.. Quote
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