William Ashley Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) If the next election is before august as opposed to after will it make a difference. Who exactly won't buy the tech for the new tv ...? Will TV become "rarer" for the poor? How will they be tricked to vote for x person? Who exactly do the poor vote for ... how long is the switch away? ... 8 months... Do you think an election will come sooner. I think there seems to be a very good chance as usual for a spring election.. but say if it gets called at the end of january or in february that means it goes to march or april. still a few months off. But if it doesn't get called on the budget.. could a fall election be likely? and not too long after the august switch.. is this something that could make a spring/winter election better for poor parties than the rich party? could it make a difference on the votecount? I think it is worth mentioning. The switch is set for august 31st and fall elections traditionally start up early september. Also the CBC is going to drop many of its affiliates so even if people do have digital converters... they won't have local CBC affiliates to broadcast local news such as one of my CBC stations from thunder bay... It seems that the switch could have a major media marketing effect for elections that reach out through TV, specifically the CBC... a full list of stations that won't be converting to digital after the analog turn off can be found. This quote from april An estimated 900,000 Canadian households that rely on antennas don't have televisions equipped to receive digital signals, which are to replace analog signals by Aug. 31, 2011.Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/tv/story/2010/04/07/digital-tv-deadline-clement.html#ixzz18bJrmxub There are perhaps around 12.5 million households so this represents around 7.2% of households to not have access to television broadcasts if a fall election occured... or somewhere less perhaps .. I am geussing that even 4% might account for a 3% "campaign" blackout in the voting population. But local stations such as cbc thunder bay may be a total blackout for that community for that "outlet" the supposed unbiased cbc On August 6, 2010, CBC/Radio-Canada announced that only its existing digital stations, along with both Alberta CBC originating stations plus all Radio-Canada originating stations in Quebec City and Moncton, would be DTV-ready in time for the August 2011 deadline. Edited December 19, 2010 by William Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 The TVs that won't work are very old...it shouldn't be much of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Ashley Posted December 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) The TVs that won't work are very old...it shouldn't be much of an issue. explain how 900,000 voting households that have those "old tvs" isn't much of an issue remember 900000 housholds is upwards of 7% of the population saying it will be rigged anyway isn't a sufficient answer either. Edited December 19, 2010 by William Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 The TVs that won't work are very old...it shouldn't be much of an issue. how old?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 explain how 900,000 voting households that have those "old tvs" isn't much of an issueBecause they still have radio and newspapers. It is rather absurd to suggest that a lack of TV means a lack of access to news. People have access to news if they choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 explain how 900,000 voting households that have those "old tvs" isn't much of an issue remember 900000 housholds is upwards of 7% of the population saying it will be rigged anyway isn't a sufficient answer either. My guess is the effect will be that those 900000 households produce BETTER VOTERS, and will be less likely to be fooled by political attack ads and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Because they still have radio and newspapers. It is rather absurd to suggest that a lack of TV means a lack of access to news. People have access to news if they choose. Exactly, and TV is actually a less usefull source of complex information than other mediums. Its hard to go into specifics with that medium, and things tend to get reduced to sound bytes and carefully selected imagery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) If you have a TV that will be affected it's really time to upgrade, or get an adapter box. Edited December 20, 2010 by TrueMetis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Unless my cable company supplies me with free boxes for all of my TVs, I won't be upgrading. I'm not opposed to the switch to digital, just the inevitable price gouge on the already way too high cable bill. I'm right on the edge of cancelling cable altogether as it is because the price exceeds the value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 What a yawner of an issue! Adapter boxes are readily available for about $100. 6 months after the switchover date they will likely be less than $50. We already saw the precedent years ago when Cable TV began to offer more channels than the regular TV tuner could choose. Converter boxes appeared and people bought them. No big deal. In addition, some folks will choose to finally get cable or satellite, and/or a modern tv. Among those who still use an antenna are those who do so deliberately just to get HD signals without paying Cable surcharges. These folks will already have a digital tuner. So that 900k figure will shrink dramatically in reality. Those that are left will buy an adapter box. Those that are left after that will bitch! No doubt some politicians will come up with programs to get some of them free adapter boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 What a yawner of an issue! Adapter boxes are readily available for about $100. 6 months after the switchover date they will likely be less than $50. We already saw the precedent years ago when Cable TV began to offer more channels than the regular TV tuner could choose. Converter boxes appeared and people bought them. No big deal. Agreed. We went through this in the U.S. a few years ago. No big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Agreed. We went through this in the U.S. a few years ago. No big deal. Agreed2....only people who spend so much time calculating micro-advantages for political discourse and elections would fret over such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Ashley Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Agreed. We went through this in the U.S. a few years ago. No big deal. Yeah but the US government gave a rebate for people to get the tech they needed. Also there has been a dumping of TV's to Canada that would have gone to the US meaning people didn't buy digital alone - since digital stations for those who arn't subscribers are very limited in most parts of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 (edited) What a yawner of an issue!Adapter boxes are readily available for about $100. I agree completely with Wild Bill.In the CBC report, the key phrase is "... an estimated 900,000 households... " Estimated how? Using StatCan data? ---- The arrogant presumption of the CBC/Left is astounding. Their logic is that if these "900,000" households don't have access to TV, they won't be informed or will somehow be left out of the mainstream. "Poor people will suffer." Has the CBC/Left ever thought that people should take responsibility for their own affairs? Moreover, has the CBC/Left ever considered that many Canadians live complete, informed lives without TV at all? ---- Last point: I now suspect that the "official line" in the CBC and Radio-Canada is to oppose Harper and the Conservatives. Such bureaucracies are ultimately Soviet and while individuals within the CBC or R-C may privately agree with the Conservatives, they cannot openly say so. On the contrary, the open statements are now virulently opposed to the CPC. Whether Harper wants it or not (and I think he doesn't), this is a fight to the death. Edited December 28, 2010 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 The arrogant presumption of the CBC/Left is astounding. Their logic is that if these "900,000" households don't have access to TV, they won't be informed or will somehow be left out of the mainstream. "Poor people will suffer." Where in the article does is say, or even imply, that the 'poor people will suffer?' In fact, people left without access to mainstream television WILL be left out of 'mainstream' and that is pretty clear in our culture. Is there some alternate TV-less 'mainstream' that you know of? Why do you assume that people with antennas are poor? Has the CBC/Left ever thought that people should take responsibility for their own affairs? Moreover, has the CBC/Left ever considered that many Canadians live complete, informed lives without TV at all? Well let's see, the government is going to make a fairly significant change to the television industry - they are going to dictate this change - and one of the big stakeholders - the CBC - is looking out for their own interests. Looking out for their own business interests since losing customers in any market, especially in markets where their demographics are strong, is not a good thing. Yet, for looking out for their own interests the CBC are somehow "left." CTV has transition to digital planned in only three markets: Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto."It's another cost to us on a money-losing business without any chance of recouping the expense," said CTVglobemedia's executive vice-president of corporate affairs Paul Sparkes. Do you consider CTV left as well? Seriously? Last point: I now suspect that the "official line" in the CBC and Radio-Canada is to oppose Harper and the Conservatives. Such bureaucracies are ultimately Soviet and while individuals within the CBC or R-C may privately agree with the Conservatives, they cannot openly say so. On the contrary, the open statements are now virulently opposed to the CPC.Whether Harper wants it or not (and I think he doesn't), this is a fight to the death. Obviously you missed this little point in the article - the example from the US - worth repeating here: U.S. President Barack Obama was forced to delay his country's transition to digital from February to June 2009 when it became clear that industry and consumers were not ready for it.Washington launched a huge public-awareness campaign and spent more than $1.5 billion on a coupon scheme to help citizens pay for the new set-top converter box they'd need in order to receive digital signals. On the day of the full switchover, June 12, 2009, 4,000 government operators were available 24/7 to take calls from confused consumers. So those deep leftists - you know, the Democrat led US government, provided a great service to their citizens and somehow the CBC is "left" because they agree it is a good idea? And it is a good idea for the "industry and consumers" here in Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 (edited) ....So those deep leftists - you know, the Democrat led US government, provided a great service to their citizens and somehow the CBC is "left" because they agree it is a good idea? And it is a good idea for the "industry and consumers" here in Canada? You may as well go for the trifecta in this story and just ask the Americans (again). Edited December 28, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 You may as well go for the trifecta in this story and just ask the Americans (again). The CBC/Left would never do such a thing! Have you not seen Rick Mercer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 The CBC/Left would never do such a thing! Have you not seen Rick Mercer? Rick Mercer watches digital televison from America too. How to get free HDTV in Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Rick Mercer watches digital televison from America too. How to get free HDTV in Canada Yes, of course he does. He has to study his prey. But his CBC/Left bosses couldn't possibly want to emulate any American model, seeing how they are leftists. (psst... some of them are "goddamned socialists" too, but you didn't hear it from me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Ashley Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 (edited) Rick Mercer watches digital televison from America too. How to get free HDTV in Canada Now how to get Canadian HDTV in Canada, so there is election coverage? (Or should the parties start buying advertising slots on american TV is that legal? would the no advertising rules apply on election day from american TV? Would buying foreign advertising be an eligible tax deductable election expense? I wonder what the CRTC thinks about AMERICAN HDTV being the only source of HDTV in Canada. How is third party foreign intervention going to be prevented by elections canada - are they going to fine american tv stations for advertising for parties in canada ... since canadians are watching American tv these days.. or with HDTV.. http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&document=index&dir=thi/que〈=e Would US courts preinjunct US TV broadcasters regarding broadcasting Canadian election content on election day until polls close? Would a US court create a blackout on advertising or reporting of canadian elections on election day or is it just a stupid unenforcable proposition? has elections canada done this? Is Canada going to "censor the internet" on elections day for online reporting... how is this even enforcable? Edited December 28, 2010 by William Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 ....I wonder what the CRTC thinks about AMERICAN HDTV being the only source of HDTV in Canada. I don't know, but this circumstance is funny as hell to me. Anything for American TV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 (edited) Where in the article does is say, or even imply, that the 'poor people will suffer?' In fact, people left without access to mainstream television WILL be left out of 'mainstream' and that is pretty clear in our culture. Is there some alternate TV-less 'mainstream' that you know of?Uh, me? I have no cable and rarely watch TV.----- But Shwa, that's not my point. If the cost of Canadian citizenship is $100, then maybe some people shouldn't be Canadian citizens. OTOH, we have Canadian soldiers abroad taking risks to defend Western values. [sometimes I think this "one man, one vote" idea really sucks.] Edited December 28, 2010 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 I wonder what the CRTC thinks about AMERICAN HDTV being the only source of HDTV in Canada. What are you talking about? I have a multitude of Canadian HD channels with varying levels of Canadian programing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Agree to the yawn. Given that a typical news broadcast on Tee Vee is equivalent to about one front page of a newspaper (anyone remember those?) I don't think people getting their news from Tee Vee are all that informed to begin with. Who needs TV when you can watch football games on your phone, get the news from mainstream and non-mainstream sources off the internet, and can download podcasts and audio books to your heart's content? No, really, who the hell watches Tee Vee nowadays? Ever hear of Hula? Or Netflix? Or even globeandmail.com? Gawd knows they inundate their site with crappy video from CTV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Ashley Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 (edited) Agree to the yawn. Given that a typical news broadcast on Tee Vee is equivalent to about one front page of a newspaper (anyone remember those?) I don't think people getting their news from Tee Vee are all that informed to begin with. Who needs TV when you can watch football games on your phone, get the news from mainstream and non-mainstream sources off the internet, and can download podcasts and audio books to your heart's content? No, really, who the hell watches Tee Vee nowadays? Ever hear of Hula? Or Netflix? Or even globeandmail.com? Gawd knows they inundate their site with crappy video from CTV. Isn't hula blocked in Canada? also netflix. Isn't it more of a liability for Elections Canada NOT to allow Canadian Broadcasters to broadcast on election day Edited December 28, 2010 by William Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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