Global Warming Mapped!

[Shwa]

Oh God, now the rocket scientists are getting involved. Won't be long until the brain surgeons have their say.

The world is getting warmer. Whether the cause is human activity or natural variability, thermometer readings all around the world have risen steadily since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.

According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8°Celsius (1.4°Fahrenheit) since 1880. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15-0.20°C per decade.

Global Warming Mapped

One warning about this article though - the science might be completely untrustworthy since it is from those guys at NASA. What do they know...

[bush_cheney2004]

...One warning about this article though - the science might be completely untrustworthy since it is from those guys at NASA. What do they know...

Yes...what do they know. It's from the same country that goes to war for no good reason. LOL!

[Shady]

Those global warming maps look a lot like the medieval warming period.

[GostHacked]

Those global warming maps look a lot like the medieval warming period.

Shush.. it's not relevant!!

[wyly]

Shush.. it's not relevant!!

medieval warming isn't relevant...that would be like you suggesting having a flat tire on your car today is the reason my car doesn't start next winter...there is no connection...

[bush_cheney2004]

Shush.. it's not relevant!!

LOL! Yes...it's positively Medieval.

[Shady]

medieval warming isn't relevant

Yes, it's not relevant because you say it isn't.

How can a period of warming that encompassed North America, Europe and Asia, not be relevant? Only if you're not really intrested in science. Get lost alarmist.

[waldo]

Yes, it's not relevant because you say it isn't.

How can a period of warming that encompassed North America, Europe and Asia, not be relevant? Only if you're not really intrested in science. Get lost alarmist.

... it's a ready bookmark each and every time you trot out your favoured MWP premise... just additional questions you refuse to answer... scratch that... can't answer!

And what unknown factor caused the medieval warming? Don't you think that's important to know? Or do you just want to ignore the previous 6 million years and take a snap shot of a hundred and pretend that it encompasses history?

wheeee... the return of the missing-in-action SMWP - Shady Medieval Warming Period... still waiting, buddy... still waiting on your March 15th advisement that, "it will take some time to process"

the MWP related questions Shady continues to ignore... refuses to answer... while he continues to bluster about the MWP. Yes, most certainly... Shady <=> intellectually dishonest

And regarding timestamps, in my universe,

March 15 2010 - 9:47 AM

is earlier than

March 15 2010 - 10:40 AM

. So again, I first asked you specific questions about the MWP. Please answer them. The reasons for the MWP. The contributions of those reasons might be having today, and why the MWP, according to Dr. Jones, may have actually been warmer.

in your best anal parsing, you fail to acknowledge you're not asking questions. You're making statements and asking for confirmation of those statements.

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you stated

: And yet during the medieval period several hundred years ago, temperatures were even warmer!

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you asked:

can you tell us why?

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you stated

: And surely they must be able to tell us that whatever it was isn't the reason any warming may be occuring today

-

you asked:

Right?

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you stated

: Even though it's statistically insignificant warming.

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you stated

: And even though the medieval period was actually statistically significant.

so... in your world... you're asking 2 questions: (1) Can you tell us why? & (2) Right?... both of which, as I stated, are simply asking for confirmation of your preceding statements. Shady, back-peddler extraordinaire. C'mon, Shady... you said you've been accumulating, as you said, "a vault of information".

Here's gentle reminder #4 for you:

And yet during the medieval period several hundred years ago, temperatures were even warmer! Can you tell us why? Surely you must know. Surely your AGW heros should know as well. And surely they must be able to tell us that whatever it was isn't the reason any warming may be occuring today. Right? Even though it's statistically insignificant warming. And even though the medieval period was actually statistically significant.

- care to substantiate your claims that the MWP temperatures were warmer than today?

- care to substantiate your claims (your inference) that the MWP temperatures were not a regional phenomenon - that the MWP was global in nature?

- care to provide your premise that accounts for the current warming of today... regardless of your misunderstandings and misinformation concerning the MWP?

- care to state why you continue to hold fast to your intellectually dishonest claims that today`s warming is statistically insignificant... why you continue to act like an icehole concerning a single statement from a single scientist relative to only one of the assortment of surface temperature records available, notwithstanding corroborations from radiosondes, satellite, etc.

- care to substantiate your premise that the MWP period, regardless of your misunderstandings and misinformation concerning the MWP, presents statistically significant warming?

I definitely will. However, that will take some time to process.

[Shady]

... it's a ready bookmark each and every time you trot out your favoured MWP premise

It's not a premise, it's a question I asked you first, many months ago. In with you still can't answer.

Again, what caused the MWP? And how do we know those causes aren't happening today? Come'on Einstein, step up to the plate. Or are your alarmist blogs empty on those answers?

[Michael Hardner]

And how do we know those causes aren't happening today?

Well, they sure appear to be correlated to increases in co2 so that would be kind of an unusual coincidence don't you think ?

[waldo]

It's not a premise, it's a question I asked you first, many months ago. In with you still can't answer.

Again, what caused the MWP? And how do we know those causes aren't happening today? Come'on Einstein, step up to the plate. Or are your alarmist blogs empty on those answers?

it must really be disconcerting to you to have your actual words played back for you each and every time you beak-off about the MWP - hey? Look up just a couple of posts... the verbatim blow-by-blow shows you weren't asking questions... you were making unsubstantiated statements and asking for confirmation. Substantiate your statements concerning the MWP... they're your statements - is there a problem?

[Shady]

Well, they sure appear to be correlated to increases in co2 so that would be kind of an unusual coincidence don't you think ?

Is that how science is established these days? By something having to be a coincidence?

How about science working to answer those questions instead?

[Shady]

it must really be disconcerting to you to have your actual words played back for you each and every time you beak-off about the MWP - hey? Look up just a couple of posts... the verbatim blow-by-blow shows you weren't asking questions... you were making unsubstantiated statements and asking for confirmation. Substantiate your statements concerning the MWP... they're your statements - is there a problem?

Once again, asking what the causes were of the MWP is completely legitimate. You just don't like it because you have no answers. None at all.

[Michael Hardner]

Is that how science is established these days? By something having to be a coincidence?

Well, the onus is on you to provide an alternate explanation. I was merely helping you out by stating what challenges you're going to have to come up with in order to do so.

And you didn't come up with one, nor will you. CO2 is the cause, as much as we'll ever be able to prove.

How about science working to answer those questions instead?

Let's recap: we already have a correlation between CO2 rises and temperature rises. You say: "maybe it's something else causing temperature rises !". I say:"maybe, sure, but it will have to correlate. that would be a pretty big coincidence..." You say:"Is has to be a coincidence... some science that is !".

I'm not sure if you just don't understand what I'm saying, or if you're just being difficult.

[Michael Hardner]

You just don't like it because you have no answers. None at all.

It's like somebody saying 'high cholesterol causes heart attacks'... and you come back and say 'I know somebody who had a heart attack, and they never ate trans fats'....

We don't know a lot about the MWP, or even if it was a global phenomenon. But it doesn't matter. Lots of things might cause warming. CO2 increase is one of them.

[waldo]

Once again, asking what the causes were of the MWP is completely legitimate. You just don't like it because you have no answers. None at all.

no, sorry... again, you didn't ask questions... your words pointedly show you making statements and asking for confirmation. Simply substantiate your statements - is there a problem?

[Shady]

Well, the onus is on you to provide an alternate explanation.

Actually, the onus us on you to make sure the conditions causing previous warming aren't causing current warming. I'm not the one who wants to damage economies and change peoples lives with policy based on something that's happened before, but under different and unknown circumstances.

[Shady]

no, sorry... again, you didn't ask questions... your words pointedly show you making statements and asking for confirmation. Simply substantiate your statements - is there a problem?

Still no answers on the causes of the MWP huh? Sad.

[Michael Hardner]

Actually, the onus us on you to make sure the conditions causing previous warming aren't causing current warming. I'm not the one who wants to damage economies and change peoples lives with policy based on something that's happened before, but under different and unknown circumstances.

Not at all. Many factors cause warming.

And you're making an assumption about me wanting to damage or even change economies based on the science - an incorrect assumption.

You're used to arguing with Waldo about this, I suppose, but you shouldn't confuse us.

[GostHacked]

medieval warming isn't relevant...that would be like you suggesting having a flat tire on your car today is the reason my car doesn't start next winter...there is no connection...

Why is it not relevant? because it shows that there was a higher concentration of CO2 and it was warmer during that time? And was not due to fossil fuel burning? It is completely relevant.

[Shady]

Why is it not relevant? because it shows that there was a higher concentration of CO2 and it was warmer during that time? And was not due to fossil fuel burning? It is completely relevant.

Exactly. I just don't understand the alarmist war on science.

[wyly]

Well, they sure appear to be correlated to increases in co2 so that would be kind of an unusual coincidence don't you think ?

CO2 can either follow or drive temp...today we have CO2 increases leading temp increases and no other apparent reasons other than fossil fuel CO2 to explain it...there have been many global warming and cooling events some for the cyclical reasons others totally unrelated one off events...the PT event was very likely caused by sustained mega-volcanoes...the Jurassic extinction event likely a meteor, are either related to this warming? no...the PT event is notable only in the results of high levels of CO2 driving temp followed by a methane release...

we are experiencing a one-off event and not a cyclical event...so if the MWP was cyclical it has no bearing on this warming, if it was a one off event then it is also not related to this warming...either way it is not relevant to this warming...

[waldo]

Still no answers on the causes of the MWP huh? Sad.

yes, as I keep asking you, lil' buddy... you made the statements, you asked for confirmation. Substantiate your statements or continue to play your charade for all it's worth. Is there a problem you can't/won't substantiate your statements?

... it's a ready bookmark each and every time you trot out your favoured MWP premise... just additional questions you refuse to answer... scratch that... can't answer!

And what unknown factor caused the medieval warming? Don't you think that's important to know? Or do you just want to ignore the previous 6 million years and take a snap shot of a hundred and pretend that it encompasses history?

wheeee... the return of the missing-in-action SMWP - Shady Medieval Warming Period... still waiting, buddy... still waiting on your March 15th advisement that, "it will take some time to process"

the MWP related questions Shady continues to ignore... refuses to answer... while he continues to bluster about the MWP. Yes, most certainly... Shady <=> intellectually dishonest

And regarding timestamps, in my universe,

March 15 2010 - 9:47 AM

is earlier than

March 15 2010 - 10:40 AM

. So again, I first asked you specific questions about the MWP. Please answer them. The reasons for the MWP. The contributions of those reasons might be having today, and why the MWP, according to Dr. Jones, may have actually been warmer.

in your best anal parsing, you fail to acknowledge you're not asking questions. You're making statements and asking for confirmation of those statements.

-

you stated

: And yet during the medieval period several hundred years ago, temperatures were even warmer!

-

you asked:

can you tell us why?

-

you stated

: And surely they must be able to tell us that whatever it was isn't the reason any warming may be occuring today

-

you asked:

Right?

-

you stated

: Even though it's statistically insignificant warming.

-

you stated

: And even though the medieval period was actually statistically significant.

so... in your world... you're asking 2 questions: (1) Can you tell us why? & (2) Right?... both of which, as I stated, are simply asking for confirmation of your preceding statements. Shady, back-peddler extraordinaire. C'mon, Shady... you said you've been accumulating, as you said, "a vault of information".

Here's gentle reminder #4 for you:

And yet during the medieval period several hundred years ago, temperatures were even warmer! Can you tell us why? Surely you must know. Surely your AGW heros should know as well. And surely they must be able to tell us that whatever it was isn't the reason any warming may be occuring today. Right? Even though it's statistically insignificant warming. And even though the medieval period was actually statistically significant.

- care to substantiate your claims that the MWP temperatures were warmer than today?

- care to substantiate your claims (your inference) that the MWP temperatures were not a regional phenomenon - that the MWP was global in nature?

- care to provide your premise that accounts for the current warming of today... regardless of your misunderstandings and misinformation concerning the MWP?

- care to state why you continue to hold fast to your intellectually dishonest claims that today`s warming is statistically insignificant... why you continue to act like an icehole concerning a single statement from a single scientist relative to only one of the assortment of surface temperature records available, notwithstanding corroborations from radiosondes, satellite, etc.

- care to substantiate your premise that the MWP period, regardless of your misunderstandings and misinformation concerning the MWP, presents statistically significant warming?

I definitely will. However, that will take some time to process.

[Shady]

yes, as I keep asking you

Still no answers on the causes of the MWP huh? Sad.

[waldo]

Still no answers on the causes of the MWP huh? Sad.

your statements... your request for confirmation... your substantiation is required - is lacking... is there a problem, Professor?