Will Sun TV News be Good or Bad for Canadian Democracy?

[Shwa]

Well, the only Rockefellers in Congress are Democrats.

Well the only Democrats in Congress are more like Canadian Conservatives to me. Want to try again? Please do. But don't do it while watching Fox News again. It is dumbing you down.

[Shwa]

This is obviously written to tiptoe around the likes of the CBC's Heather Mallick....nice try!

Heather Mallick is the CBC news now? Wow, how enlightening. Or did you mean to say Anne-Marie Mediwake, Dwight Drummond, Michelle Cheung, etc?

[Shady]

Well the only Democrats in Congress are more like Canadian Conservatives to me.

Yes, people like Dennis Kucinich are just like Canadian Conservatives. Swing and a miss.

[Evening Star]

But they have strong reasons to suspect they would...

http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/tribe-main-forum/72080-crtc-pulls-plug-radio-station.html

Thanks, this is at least a little more convincing than just a quoted assumption by the CEO of the affected media outlet. Without knowing the details of the case, I would tend to oppose denying a licence strictly on the grounds of 'crude comments', yes. It's worth noting, though, that this is actually a case of a Canadian outlet having its licence denied. So it seems that, if anything, the CRTC, like the FCC, simply has certain content standards it enforces (not very often these days, considering this was a first), regardless of the Origin of the programming, and is not mainly focused on "banning American media content".

[bloodyminded]

Yes, people like Dennis Kucinich are just like Canadian Conservatives. Swing and a miss.

Kucinich is not the norm of the Democratic party. There's not even a wing of it that adheres to his leftiness.

There's a handful of lefties in a centrist party. That's the Democrats.

Edited December 18, 2010 by bloodyminded

[jbg]

The Canadian Sun News TV channel has been dubbed Fox News North and when it debuts on January 1, 2011, it will duplicate the Fox News 24-hour news channel format of news/opinion programming, which is a type of programming that has never been done before in Canada.

Stations that are labeled “24-hour news channels” should not have news/opinion programming in which a host is featured and his/her political opinions are not only known but celebrated and continually presented and constantly defended by the host and guests.

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I support Sun TV News if it does not reflect the above negative attributes that accompany news/opinion programming, but how likely is it that the new news network will put meaningful and unambiguous reporting ahead of ratings and entertainment?

I think all news coverage is tinged with the organzational views of the sponsor. In the U.S. the N.Y. Times and Washington Post lean left. A recent headline in the Times, for example, was "Ron Paul Comes in Out of the Cold". That was stating as fact that Mr. Paul's opinion are now mainstream Republican opinions, which they really aren't.

I don't think Fox or its Canadian equivalent is any worse.

[Shwa]

Yes, people like Dennis Kucinich are just like Canadian Conservatives. Swing and a miss.

This miss comes from you trying to use the exception to the rule as a general condition. Kind of like referring to Heather Mallick as representative of the CBC. It's a pretty lame tactic indicative of intellectual laziness and dishonesty.

Canadian Conservatives Party supports universal healthcare, CPP and practically all of the other social benefit progams we enjoy. Have the CPC sent Canadian troops into Iraq yet? Etc.

IMV, even most Canadian Conservative voters are very much to the left of even some moderate US Democrats. So what "ideological direction" does the CBC travel in again?

You haven't even established an answer to that yet. But try again when you are capable.

[Saipan]

There's a handful of lefties in a centrist party. That's the Democrats.

What makes them "centrist"?

[Saipan]

This miss comes from you trying to use the exception to the rule as a general condition. Kind of like referring to Heather Mallick as representative of the CBC.

While you think it's Judy Rebick?

[Shady]

This miss comes from you trying to use the exception to the rule as a general condition.

Perhaps you should have said some Democrats. Because there's many more than just him. You can apologize to me in private again, like last time.

[Shakeyhands]

I think all news coverage is tinged with the organzational views of the sponsor. In the U.S. the N.Y. Times and Washington Post lean left. A recent headline in the Times, for example, was "Ron Paul Comes in Out of the Cold". That was stating as fact that Mr. Paul's opinion are now mainstream Republican opinions, which they really aren't.

I don't think Fox or its Canadian equivalent is any worse.

Yet, here we have a study done by an actual University that states otherwise.

[jbg]

Yet, here we have a study done by an actual University that states otherwise.

What "actual university"? The U of Zero that wouldn't let Ann Coulter speak? That argument is in pretty shakey hands.

[bloodyminded]

This miss comes from you trying to use the exception to the rule as a general condition. Kind of like referring to Heather Mallick as representative of the CBC. It's a pretty lame tactic indicative of intellectual laziness and dishonesty.

Yes. Why not claim that Kevin O'Leary is representative of the CBC? He's no lefty, and he gets way more airtime than does Mallick.

(Incidentally, I'm not making the claim. The "CBC is leftwing" wags are making the claim, though they don't understand this fact.)

[bloodyminded]

What makes them "centrist"?

The original claim is that they're leftist; so first things first: what makes them "leftist"?

[Saipan]

I actually agree. I doubt that even the people who work at Fox News consider it to be a legitimate news source, so I'm not sure why anybody would spend good money on stating the obvious.

There are such opinions about CBC.

Tax payers however don't pay for FOX - unlike CBC.

[Saipan]

The original claim is that they're leftist; so first things first: what makes them "leftist"?

Wrong answer.

[Saipan]

The original claim is that they're leftist; so first things first: what makes them "leftist"?

Being left of rightist.

[eyeball]

Being left of rightist.

Except the right wing is a direction not a place so the moment you take a stand on something you become a leftist.

[bloodyminded]

Being left of rightist.

Then I offer the same type of reponse back to your question; and remember, this is by your standards, so my response is generous to you.

[Jack Weber]

Being left of rightist.

Nothing like being a two dimensional ideologue,huh?

[Evening Star]

We more or less had the same CBC debate here in October (starting p 16, I believe): http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17062

The "CBC is liberal propaganda" crew kept making that assertion, refusing to back it up, and stating variants on "You wouldn't understand" or "YOU'RE defending the CBC so it must be leftist neener neener!"

[Saipan]

Then I offer the same type of reponse back to your question; and remember, this is by your standards, so my response is generous to you.

That's what I did

[Saipan]

The "CBC is liberal propaganda" crew kept making that assertion, refusing to back it up, and stating variants on "You wouldn't understand" or "YOU'RE defending the CBC so it must be leftist neener neener!"

Is the crew here?

[scribblet]

Sounds like it... LOL just more kids stomping their feet and having a tantrum over - gasp - shock - a TV program with a - gasp- conservative slant.

as Michael Coren said:

Sun TV News couldn’t buy this kind of publicity and once again the left have shown their useful idiot qualities and displayed that combination of hypocrisy and misunderstanding of the popular will that has made them such electoral giants.

Every time another liberal type screams that this will be Fox North and that the right will dominate it and that it’s just not fair, the people in charge at Sun TV News open another bottle of their Bollinger Bolshevik and Champagne Socialist booze.

The station is going to happen. Just like the CBC it will have certain biases. Unlike the CBC it will not be as crass in displaying them and you won’t have to finance the people who make and present the shows.

Edited December 19, 2010 by scribblet

[Shwa]

Perhaps you should have said some Democrats. Because there's many more than just him. You can apologize to me in private again, like last time.

Perhaps you should actualy try and construct a coherent argument that isn't based on the fish-in-a-barrel model.

As for any "like last time" - of which there was no such thing - perhaps you were playing with yourself again and got confused. Again. Try and keep it together when you're at the library next time.