Mandatory Jail Sentence for Growing Five Pot Plants

[dre]

If there's a ridiculous law, perhaps it's best if it's enforced severely so that people can see just how stupid it is. Then they'll finally vote out, once and for all, the idiots who keep the law in place.

It's a small sacrifice to see the CPC go down the toilet.

The liberals were in office for 10 years and they didnt decriminalize either. It would take a lot to force the government to cross paths with the prison/enforcement industry, and organized crime... the big winners here.

I fully expect the crackdown on personal freedom to continue.

I dont even smoke pot, but I see this as just another step backwards by this country and the twits that live here. It comes right on the heals of criminalization of people that have a glass of wine with dinner where I live.

At this point Iv almost given up hope and Iv started to research other potential places to live. Theres gotta be somewhere to live with a nice climate and nice scenery with higher quality citizens, and more freedom.

Edited November 27, 2010 by dre

[dre]

I don't even see the connection between the two issues. Why assume that people in favour of the gun registry must also be opposed to this, or vice versa? I didn't have a strong opinion on the gun registry but I still think this is stupid.

Well, its a culture warrior thing. These people see everything is some transcendant all important war between the "left" and the "right". To people like that life really is as simplistic as "you mess with your guns, well mess with your pot!". Never mind the fact that the majority of Canadians oppose criminalization and as you point out theres a huge overlap in those two groups. But thats the hallmark of todays culture warrior. Theyre even willing to fuck THEMSELVES over or the country as a whole to score a victory against the "other side".

[BubberMiley]

But if Willie Nelson gets time for his weed bust, it's one more step toward the whole house of cards coming tumbling down.

[Shady]

Wow what a piece of shit country I live in these days.

Then leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay.

[Shady]

The reason marijuana hasn't been decriminalized or legalized is because there isn't a priority. Other than the small group of potheads that constantly tell eachother how much support exists for their stupid issue. When will they ever learn? Probably once they stop using!

Edited November 28, 2010 by Shady

[punked]

What is this first reading? Second reading? Maybe the Liberals will get their act together and vote against something for once instead of not showing. Best bet though is get those Liberal seats to turn Orange next election along with some Conservative seats.

[dre]

Then leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay.

Yup true. It takes time though and I want to make sure I pick the right place.

[dre]

The reason marijuana hasn't been decriminalized or legalized is because there isn't a priority. Other than the small group of potheads that constantly tell eachother how much support exists for their stupid issue. When will they ever learn? Probably once they stop using!

No its not just an issue for potheads. Like I said I dont use it... havent since I was young.

Its an issue for people that believe in personal freedom and limited government... thats most Canadians.

Heres some poll results over the last decade.

2005: 59% Canada (57% U.S.)("possession should not always result in a criminal record")

2003: 69% ("fines rather than jail sentences for marijuana possession") SES Research

2003: 58% ("reduced criminal implications") Decima Research

2003: 83% ("want pot prohibition to be less stringent")

2003: 65% ("decriminalization")

2002: 50% ("decriminalization")

2000: 65% ("decriminalization")

1997: 51% ("should not be a criminal offence")

[Evening Star]

The bill has been passed, punked.

[Jack Weber]

Then leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay.

The same applies to you..

Sell out wannabe....

[Sir Bandelot]

I'm not completely against having mandatory minimums, for certain serious crimes. But this is a farce and complete travesty.

After a number of otherwise ordinary, non violent citizens are criminalized by this unjust law, (and it will happen) people will realize it and it will fall. But that's the price that must first be paid. Meanwhile carry on voting for and supporting your corrupt leaders, convince yourselves we are a progressive free society.

[Saipan]

After a number of otherwise ordinary, non violent citizens are criminalized by this unjust law

We did it to ourself by allowing liberals to rule.

[Saipan]

Yeah... because throwing someone in the general prison population for growing house plants is equivalent to charging gun owners a small registration feed...

Small registration feed????

You must be living in a city. You really know nothing what's going on.

[Sir Bandelot]

We did it to ourself by allowing liberals to rule.

No, Brian Mulroney did it to us, by destroying the Progressive Conservative party, and leaving us no other viable choice.

[dre]

Small registration feed????

You must be living in a city. You really know nothing what's going on.

Not exactly. Im an avid hunter on Vancouver Island that has 7 registered guns. I took the CFS course for less than $150 bux, and paid $60 for the restricted PAL and registered my guns online.

And you want to compare that to getting thrown in jail for 5 pot plants?

[eyeball]

So what's the likeliest result of this new wrinkle? Fewer mom and pops with little

mortgage helper gardens? More organized criminals meeting the demand and perhaps an increase in prices? More people growing less than 5 plants for their personal use to beat inflated prices and to avoid buying from criminals?

Surely to Christ no one seriously expects consumption to decline do they?

[Saipan]

Not exactly. Im an avid hunter on Vancouver Island that has 7 registered guns. I took the CFS course for less than $150 bux, and paid $60 for the restricted PAL and registered my guns online.

That indicates you're very young. I take it no grandfathered guns were confiscated from you on a whim of liberal bureuacrat.

Btw, did liberals close your only shooting range so you can't practice for competition? What gun club are you member of? Local and national?

[bill_barilko]

Doesn't 5 plants yield a huge amount ? I mean, tens of thousands of dollars worth ?

Not unless those plants were 15 feet high-which is possible in the outdoors but not indoors.

Four average sized indoor marijuana plants-which really are bonsai sized-would yield about a pound if it was the right strain grown under the right conditions.

A pound can be had for anywhere from $1,500 to double that depending on potency.

The RCMP are who most people around here rely on for their information on such matters. They report the pot plants they find in the bush around here yield 2 lbs of finished product per plant. They also tell us most of the profits go to people like the Hells Angels and Osama bin Laden.

Two pounds wet is going to be 90% water and as to the Hells Angels and Osama bin Laden being in cahoots that's even dumber.

How much pot do you get from four plants, enough for a family of four and how long does it take to grow them?

Again probably a pound dried.

Six weeks if you're running it like it should be and spending the kind of time with them that increases yield-like any garden.

Funny I know guys who've been doing it for years none has much extra dosh and holidays are out of the question unless you shut everything down.

As to sentencing I don't know where they're going to put all those growers people are released daily for worse crimes because of overcrowding.

[Saipan]

I much rather meet drivers on opposite side of the road who have guns in the car than drunk and doped.

By far.

[AngusThermopyle]

Doesn't 5 plants yield a huge amount ? I mean, tens of thousands of dollars worth ?

Surely there's somebody on the board from BC who can ask a neighbour or relative if this is the case.

As has already been mentioned, no. Depending on the strain an average would be about 3 to 5 ounces per plant, also the technique used to grow them. For instance, northern lights grown indoors in soil can yeild a half pound or more per plant over about 3 months. You must also keep in mind the time to dry and cure it. About 4 or 5 days to dry it then at least two weeks curing. Of course the longer it cures the better it is, to a certain point.

Using hydroponics, ebb and flood, aeroponics, deep water culture it is possible to grow it in 6 weeks to 2 months but yeilds will be correspondingly lower. One must keep in mind that most plants require 8 to 10 weeks just to flower and produce the correct amount of Trichomes, also the correct colour for maximum potency. As the flowers mature the Trichomes will shift from an amber colour to a milky white.

So in short, no one is going to get rich off a few plants, they could grow enough for themselves though, or to provide to medical users on a compassionate basis.

As to the law, well the law can really be an ass. This is a stupid dark ages law that should be changed. Let people use it if they wish. Hell, make booze illegal if they want something to be illegal;. After all study after study has shown alcohol to be far more harmfull to society than weed.

[Topaz]

Today, the Minister of Justice, said that the liberal senators, are putting amends to the Drug Bill and the Minister just wants it passed, so people can be thrown in jail. The Tories, ie. want to throw an 18 year old in jail for one pill of ecstasy that he went and got for a guy who had asked him if he could get him one. The 18 year old, did and they guy that had asked was a cop. The Liberal Senator said, it was a setup and it was only one pill and the kid will go to jail and when he comes out because of a criminal record will probably have to sell drugs, when he can`t find a regular job because of his record. Today, the Minister also said if it was up to the Liberal they will probably legalize pot.

[The_Squid]

More idiocy from the "law and order" crowd.

I don't grow it. I don't smoke it. Legalize and tax it.

And to those CPC supporters who say that "marijuana isn't a priority"... then why are they making laws to jail people growing it? Seems like it's a priority to me... a backwards one contrary to the wishes of most Canadians, but a priority nonetheless.

[DrGreenthumb]

More idiocy from the "law and order" crowd.

I don't grow it. I don't smoke it. Legalize and tax it.

And to those CPC supporters who say that "marijuana isn't a priority"... then why are they making laws to jail people growing it? Seems like it's a priority to me... a backwards one contrary to the wishes of most Canadians, but a priority nonetheless.

Amen!

[eyeball]

And to those CPC supporters who say that "marijuana isn't a priority"... then why are they making laws to jail people growing it? Seems like it's a priority to me... a backwards one contrary to the wishes of most Canadians, but a priority nonetheless.

What about the principles of CPC voters? Where's ever become of that fundamental right-wing value of getting the state off people's backs? How any self-respecting freedom-loving right-winger could ever look themself in the face after voting for a party who's priority is to jump all over people's backs is beyond me.

Social engineering may be out in left field but it's downright benign compared to the moral engineering of the right.

[Sir Bandelot]

The question is why the libertarian and fiscally conservative voters fool themselves into thinking that this is the old PC party.

They do not. The answer is, libertarian fiscally conservative voters simply do not vote right now. There is no one for them to vote for. And we can look back in history to see what happened, who was involved at the time to understand how this came about. Mackay et all are deceitful usurpers, traitors and swines. That is the current dilemma.