Mandatory Jail Sentence for Growing Five Pot Plants

[The_Squid]

What about the principles of CPC voters? Where's ever become of that fundamental right-wing value of getting the state off people's backs? How any self-respecting freedom-loving right-winger could ever look themself in the face after voting for a party who's priority is to jump all over people's backs is beyond me.

Social engineering may be out in left field but it's downright benign compared to the moral engineering of the right.

I agree with you 100%.

The libertarian, fiscal-conservative right has been usurped by the "socially-conservative" right. These folks have no issues whatsoever against legislating morality....

The question is why the libertarian and fiscally conservative voters fool themselves into thinking that this is the old PC party. Even when the social engineering religious and "law/order" types pass legislation that is obviously neither fiscally conservative nor liberterian in its content, they cheer along like programmed drones.

[eyeball]

The question is why the libertarian and fiscally conservative voters fool themselves into thinking that this is the old PC party. Even when the social engineering religious and "law/order" types pass legislation that is obviously neither fiscally conservative nor liberterian in its content, they cheer along like programmed drones.

I guess their wallets are more important than other people's freedom.

Wasn't it a conservative who wrote "First they came for the fill-in-blank-here, and I didn't speak up" yadda yadda?

Wait until the Conservatives come after their wallets to pay for going after everyone else's freedom.

Edited November 30, 2010 by eyeball

[Saipan]

contrary to the wishes of most Canadians, but a priority nonetheless.

Most Canadians told you?

[Saipan]

Mackay et all are deceitful usurpers, traitors and swines.

You woudn't be Joe Who or David Orchard by any chance?

If so go pound a sand

People had spoken.

[eyeball]

Today, the Minister also said if it was up to the Liberal they will probably legalize pot.

The Conservatives would probably get as much mileage reminding people that the Liberals have been lying to Canadians about legalizing pot for almost 40 years now.

[DrGreenthumb]

The Conservatives would probably get as much mileage reminding people that the Liberals have been lying to Canadians about legalizing pot for almost 40 years now.

The NDP actually WOULD legalize and tax pot. Use the money for treatment centres to treat old Conservative drunks.

[The_Squid]

They do not. The answer is, libertarian fiscally conservative voters simply do not vote right now. There is no one for them to vote for. And we can look back in history to see what happened, who was involved at the time to understand how this came about. Mackay et all are deceitful usurpers, traitors and swines. That is the current dilemma.

I think perhaps that is somewhat the case, but there are certainly many fiscal conservatives who are fooling themselves about this party... And if many are not voting, that is simply idiotic on their part. There are other parties besides the NDP, Libs and Bloc... some may call them "fringe", but so was the Reform. Now they hold power and get to create really backwards laws to make more criminals out of people who aren't criminals.... yippeeeee....

The Libs were exactly the same as the Cons when it came to drug laws... just not quite as stupid...

[Moonlight Graham]

any and all recreational drugs are for garbage.

Maybe potheads & boozers and the like should start exercising, or doing yoga or meditation instead. much healthier.

[Sir Bandelot]

any and all recreational drugs are for garbage.

Maybe potheads & boozers and the like should start exercising, or doing yoga or meditation instead. much healthier.

Maybe they should, Moonight Graham. Maybe they really should

Edited December 1, 2010 by Sir Bandelot

[Saipan]

The NDP actually WOULD legalize and tax pot. Use the money for treatment centres to treat old Conservative drunks.

Like Liberal BC Premier?

[bloodyminded]

Like Liberal BC Premier?

Yes, exactly like him, and Ralph Klein.

[AngusThermopyle]

any and all recreational drugs are for garbage.

Maybe potheads & boozers and the like should start exercising, or doing yoga or meditation instead. much healthier.

Although I can understand your point I still find it very fortunate that we live in a country where we are allowed freedom of personal choice to a somewhat limited degree.

However, this whole thread has overlooked one very germain and important aspect of this law. Medicinale use, much as the "anti" crowd would like to decry it, it simply can not be denied that this plant has a great many beneficial uses. As research continues we are finding that it has some pretty amazing properties that can be of benefit to a great many people. Our government in its infinate wisdom has decided to wholesale demonize both the plant and those who use it in a very blinkered ignorant and short sighted manner.

[Sir Bandelot]

Although I can understand your point I still find it very fortunate that we live in a country where we are allowed freedom of personal choice to a somewhat limited degree.

Are we? Not if this CPC government has its way.

This is an unsubstantiated attack on freedom of choice, where there is no real danger to society or crime taking place. This is carte-blanche criminalization of people who have a personality problem. Other activities are taking place parallel to this, such as removal of drug rehab programs, and any meaningful attempt at rehabilitation in prison. Even petty mean-ness, like the shutdown of the prison farming program. Look closely, the arrogance and contempt that this party has for the common classes is showing through the cracks. They and the Liberals are now only in the game to represent the interests of the elite.

[Saipan]

Yes, exactly like him, and Ralph Klein.

Here's the police mug shot of Premier Grodon Campbell.

I don't see Ralph Klein.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZvY23bIieI8/TE4WUCyfRAI/AAAAAAAAAQo/RljZj7J4H74/s1600/Gordon+Campbell.jpg

[bloodyminded]

Here's the police mug shot of Premier Grodon Campbell.

I don't see Ralph Klein.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZvY23bIieI8/TE4WUCyfRAI/AAAAAAAAAQo/RljZj7J4H74/s1600/Gordon+Campbell.jpg

No, Ralph klein is not in the photograph you chose to post.

Therefore he must not have been a drunk.

QED.

[Saipan]

Even petty mean-ness, like the shutdown of the prison farming program.

Aah, the poor criminals. I feel their pain

[Saipan]

No, Ralph klein is not in the photograph you chose to post.

Therefore he must not have been a drunk.

He could, it's not against the law. Drinking and driving is.

Btw, Ralph Klein was successful Premier longer than anyone I know.

[bloodyminded]

He could, it's not against the law. Drinking and driving is.

Btw, Ralph Klein was successful Premier longer than anyone I know.

I think you're making this discussion into far more than it was ever meant to be. I suppose you don't like to hear anything negative about your conservative heroes...even if it's a throwaway joke.

[Sir Bandelot]

Aah, the poor criminals. I feel their pain

It's not about feeling sympathy, it's about finding effective solutions to social problems.

[Saipan]

It's not about feeling sympathy, it's about finding effective solutions to social problems.

EXACTLY.

The criminals are who should pay. Why should the victims labour and pay to keep criminals comfy?

And it's coming.

[bloodyminded]

EXACTLY.

The criminals are who should pay. Why should the victims labour and pay to keep criminals comfy?

And it's coming.

Society has to pay for the upkeep of criminals, because they have not committed some existential crime agaisnt the Holy Godzilla Himself; we have decided that there are crimes worthy of incarceration--there's nothing inherently "natural" about the matter. Therefore, we are responsible for those we punish and incarcerate.

Edited December 1, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Saipan]

I think you're making this discussion into far more than it was ever meant to be.

You're free not to like it.

[bloodyminded]

You're free not to like it.

Obviously. I was making an observation. You're free not to like it.

[Sir Bandelot]

Liberals should stand up for what they believe in. Here is Ignatieff commenting on a different bill that also introduces mandaTory minimums. This one on human smuggling:

"We feel after much thought and reflection that this bill is in violation of the charter. Mandatory detention is just not in the Canadian tradition. We think it's not charter-proof, as a result," Ignatieff said Wednesday, after his caucus meeting.

Link

[Saipan]

Society has to pay for the upkeep of criminals

WHY? They are capable to do that themself and MORE. They suppose to pay the victims - not the other way 'round.

Except in upside down civilization.

because they have not committed some existential crime agaisnt the Holy Godzilla Himself

We leave Godzilla to Japanese and get on with law and order.