Scholarships For Foreign Students

[scribblet]

This is just wrong when we have students here who can't afford to go to university, just think how that money would help Ontario students.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/885810--critics-slam-30m-plan-to-bring-foreign-students-to-ontario-universities

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n ambitious plan by Premier Dalton McGuinty to woo foreign students with $40,000-a-year scholarships is drawing fire on the home front.

McGuinty, who is in China on a trade mission, announced Thursday that 75 doctoral students from abroad would be eligible for the new Ontario Trillium Scholarships to study at universities here.

[capricorn]

Premier Dad has gone off the rails...again. First he raises tuition rates for Ontario students then he awards millions in scholarships to foreign students. It's good for Ontario, says the Father of all Fathers.

It's so much easier to announce spending taxpayers' money abroad than doing it with the opposition ten feet away from your face. Coward!

[wyly]

the immigrant bashing never ceases....

canadian students have been given scholarships for decades to foreign universities i went to school with a girl that went to Oxford and a boy that went to Yale both on full scholarships, these schools are out to attract/steal and keep the our brightest resources we need to do the same....

another boy and girl I coached went on sports scholarships to Nebraska and Utah what's wrong with an american school pay for their education, good for them and good for canada...

Edited November 9, 2010 by wyly

[Moonlight Graham]

I say we give full scholarships to anyone who wishes to become a medical doctor, provided they stay in Canada to practice medicine for a given period.

In this sense, scholarships alone wouldn't work because its not practical to prevent people from leaving the country. Canada would need to give a monetary incentive for doctors to stay in Canada.

[wyly]

I say we give full scholarships to anyone who wishes to become a medical doctor, provided they stay in Canada to practice medicine for a given period.

In this sense, scholarships alone wouldn't work because its not practical to prevent people from leaving the country. Canada would need to give a monetary incentive for doctors to stay in Canada.

a plan similar to what the military has, a degree in return for x years service in Canada in a location of the governments choosing...

[capricorn]

the immigrant bashing never ceases....

Foreign students are not immigrants.

[wyly]

Foreign students are not immigrants.

the intent is the same it's just a disguise to hide more racism... foreigners=different/hate=xenophobia...

and the goal is once established the students will establish themselves in our country and never leave...

we had another thread on the forum wanting to attract top immigrants now we have one dedicated to rejecting potential top candidates that's sounding very racist and paranoid...

[PIK]

Now are these students from refugee camps or just plain poor people that we are helping out or are they privileged kids of wealthy and powerful people?

[guyser]

Now are these students from refugee camps or just plain poor people that we are helping out or are they privileged kids of wealthy and powerful people?

if brilliant would it matter ?

But in all likelihood , I doubt it.

[wyly]

Now are these students from refugee camps or just plain poor people that we are helping out or are they privileged kids of wealthy and powerful people?

it would depend on the scholarship, some are directed towards a particular disadvantaged demographic group...some are wide open...one of the kids I worked with had no need of a scholarship, mom and dad were quiet capable of paying the entire cost at any school, the other kid with a single mom needed a scholarship to go to any school, in both cases the scholarships were wide open...which is fair too why should a kid from wealthy parents be discriminated against because her/his parents are wealthy...

most schools have programs for wealthy foreign students already, reserving a certain amount of spots for them, they pay far, far more than a Canadian would for this same spot...if I recall a foreign medical student's fees subsidize two or three canadian medical students...

[scribblet]

There are plenty of Canadian students unable to attend university for financial reasons, they should be given scholarships, or helped financially.

Definition of a racist: someone on the winning end of an argument with a liberal

[DogOnPorch]

Definition of a racist: someone on the winning end of an argument with a liberal

[wyly]

There are plenty of Canadian students unable to attend university for financial reasons, they should be given scholarships, or helped financially.

Definition of a racist: someone on the winning end of an argument with a liberal

and I call BS on that...all too often I see comments from the right crying about high taxes and welfare cases, now you say you want to pay higher taxes to put the poor through school...sorry if i question your sincerity, I'm not buying it...

post graduate school is available to everyone in this country with financial assistance already, it's called "student loans"...and anyone, if they work really hard can get those schorships for the exceptionally bright in the top international schools ....

[PIK]

and I call BS on that...all too often I see comments from the right crying about high taxes and welfare cases, now you say you want to pay higher taxes to put the poor through school...sorry if i question your sincerity, I'm not buying it...

post graduate school is available to everyone in this country with financial assistance already, it's called "student loans"...and anyone, if they work really hard can get those schorships for the exceptionally bright in the top international schools ....

How about the welfare, especially the ones that goes down the line from granddad, dad and now son. I have seen many. And most cons don't mind the taxes ,it is when we see it being wasted by the lazy.

[wyly]

How about the welfare, especially the ones that goes down the line from granddad, dad and now son. I have seen many. And most cons don't mind the taxes ,it is when we see it being wasted by the lazy.

you're verifying my point, thanks ....

Now are these students from refugee camps or just plain poor people that we are helping out or are they privileged kids of wealthy and powerful people?

so how do we distinguish the "just plain poor people" from the "welfare" type?... Edited November 9, 2010 by wyly

[Wild Bill]

post graduate school is available to everyone in this country with financial assistance already, it's called "student loans"...and anyone, if they work really hard can get those schorships for the exceptionally bright in the top international schools ....

I'll call BS this time! My daughter is in her 3rd year of University. While she has managed to get some student loans, they were NOT guaranteed available! The government assesses your family's income and that of the student. They make some mystical calculations. Quite often someone is turned down, for no reason that makes sense. Your dad may be driving a Lada and your neighbour drives a BMW yet you get turned down and your neighbour student gets all he or she needs.

You appeared to imply that student loans are a guaranteed source of student financing. My own daughter's direct experience and that of many of her friends contradicts that premise.

[capricorn]

the intent is the same it's just a disguise to hide more racism... foreigners=different/hate=xenophobia...

My own concern is that in view of the huge provincial deficit, if more spending for universities is allocated, Ontario students should get preference. It's bad enough tuition fees were increased further hindering access to post secondary learning. In better financial times and if our students are treated fairly in funding, I'd say go for it.

[wyly]

I'll call BS this time! My daughter is in her 3rd year of University. While she has managed to get some student loans, they were NOT guaranteed available! The government assesses your family's income and that of the student. They make some mystical calculations. Quite often someone is turned down, for no reason that makes sense. Your dad may be driving a Lada and your neighbour drives a BMW yet you get turned down and your neighbour student gets all he or she needs.

You appeared to imply that student loans are a guaranteed source of student financing. My own daughter's direct experience and that of many of her friends contradicts that premise.

student loans are based on income of parents, if they live at home and a lot of other criteria, cars are irrelevant...if the loan is improperly applied for it'll be rejected...there is nothing mystical about it...

I've 3 kids in post secondary, one has part time job and student loans to help, another has also has a part time job and a loan neither has been rejected...the third has no job because her course load is to heavy and was rejected for a loan because she asked for the loan to pay for her required/mandatory supplies, she reapplied and requested the loan be applied to tuition only and was accepted...

[Wild Bill]

student loans are based on income of parents, if they live at home and a lot of other criteria, cars are irrelevant...if the loan is improperly applied for it'll be rejected...there is nothing mystical about it...

I've 3 kids in post secondary, one has part time job and student loans to help, another has also has a part time job and a loan neither has been rejected...the third has no job because her course load is to heavy and was rejected for a loan because she asked for the loan to pay for her required/mandatory supplies, she reapplied and requested the loan be applied to tuition only and was accepted...

You quote the official line very well. Your own experience doesn't contradict it so for you that's good enough.

I have direct experience to the contrary. To me, that would indicate that the system is not perfect. Sometimes some folks get it and sometimes they don't. It all depends on luck.

[wyly]

You quote the official line very well. Your own experience doesn't contradict it so for you that's good enough.

I have direct experience to the contrary. To me, that would indicate that the system is not perfect. Sometimes some folks get it and sometimes they don't. It all depends on luck.

Quite often someone is turned down, for no reason that makes sense.

My own daughter's direct experience and that of many of her friends contradicts that premise.

my daughters experience's covers both sides of the process, acceptance and failure so ya that verifies the process...

luck has nothing to do with it wildbill, read the rules/guidelines of loans and understand them...you're basing your view on misunderstood 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand knowledge(daughters friends), you have no idea why your daughter's friend were turned down you only have their word for it...my experience with kids/parents is they don't understand the process and then blame the system...if your daughter didn't qualify then she did not meet the criteria required and her and yourself are making excuses for not understanding the process or the reason for rejection......

[Oleg Bach]

A while back I did an examination of the personal acedemic habits of the Supreme Court Of Canada and it's elite membership..It seemed these folks were more interested in matters of international law - than the domestic affairs they were put in charge of.

The same attitude is pervasive with other supposed political scholars...now - my question is - When has a carreer acedemic with a doctorate ever solved a material - polical or spiritual problem plaguing humanity? F**king NEVER!

Creation of off shore egg heads is a total waste of money - and goes to show you that our international Trotsky types are out there again wasting the hard earned money of the unwashed working and professional class...to hell with handing out OUR money of useless acedemic advancement of other that we do not know and who really don't give a damn about us....If the money is given - you will be lucky to get a thank you note...National family is family - let us hand out vanity degrees to our OWN if we must.

[nicky10013]

I think scholarships for foreign students grad students is a great idea. In the end, it's an incentive for the best to come to our universities. Kids in undergrad programmes learn from who? Oh yeah, those very same grad students who lead tutorial sessions which is where most kids do most of their work. Though optically it's a bad move, it's a benefit to the entire university system.

[William Ashley]

This is just wrong when we have students here who can't afford to go to university, just think how that money would help Ontario students.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/885810--critics-slam-30m-plan-to-bring-foreign-students-to-ontario-universities

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I value what you are saying scriblet especially on the basis of students who need to take loans out to have access to post secondary studies, as not all students maintain 90%+ averages in post secondary studies. I 150% however disagree that foreign students shouldn't be eligible for scholarships - the question is "how do scholarships come into existence".

1st you have to understand that students are associated with the university they attend, and they can contribute to the environment as well as the alumni later on in life.

One would however question "WHY IS THIS A PROVINCIAL ISSUE" why should tax payer funds go to this? How many actually want to stay in Canada after they get their degree(s)?

1st you should understand international students pay a lot more than resident students for instance $15000 a year, they also pay for housing, food, potentially entertainment, vehicles sometimes, and books etc..

International students are not our enemy but taxes for scholarships is contrary to good public ethics.

We need to remove taxes at all levels of government and replace them with a voluntary contribution via a "payfor" system, except for poverty removal care.

Create social contracts that provide forgivable loans for people who provide a net benefit to society over the course for example skilled persons who stay in the country and contribute to the economic and social base.

There is no reason to deny universities and individuals the ability to grant students scholarships on a private basis - it should be encouraged.

In providing free public education this requires individuals willing to put into it - as a pay for - people willing to provide "scholarships" that cover educational allowances setting an amount that is reduced off tuition of every resident wishing to attend post secondary studies --- it would be up to the public to lower the cost of education this way.

But no there is nothing wrong with providing scholarships to the best and bridghtest, much like there is nothing wrong with providing bursaries to those in need or grants to those who are desired to attend but for whatever a reason are not able to without additional funding.

We ought to replace loans with social contracts. But the reality is.......... we need to insure continued attendance to keep the social, technological, and economic fabric intact.

But no we don't need taxes, we need contributors - hopefully other members of society can see the benefit in publicly funded education.

This is just tuition...

http://www.mbaprogramsincanada.com/Canadian-Tuition-Fees-for-International-MBA-Students.cfm

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Edited November 12, 2010 by William Ashley

[mikedavid00]

I say we give full scholarships to anyone who wishes to become a medical doctor, provided they stay in Canada to practice medicine for a given period.

Why don't we aim for canadians?

WHy is it that all my friends are in the Carribean and Australia taking their med school?

Again this is a topic that you probably don't understand and you aren't aware of the elitism problems in our medical schools. Remember we have a COMMUNIST medical system and this is why it's so rotten and broken from the schools to the hospitals.

[mikedavid00]

Foreign students are not immigrants.

Yes they are. I've wen't to school with man.. sorry.. *MANY* of them and they never go back home. They settle here and bring their family later. If not they are off to the US and then return in 8 years when their H1B expires.

Come guys stop beeing silly. Dalton is just pandering for votes from the immigrants (as usual) to send out the message that the Liberal party is 'still the party working for immigrants'. This is done of course before this election. He's allowing a wider open immigration loophole into Ontario which compromises the spirit of our federal law. He's allowing relatives of immigrants to be fast tracked into Canada for free on the tax payer dime. That's ALL THAT'S HAPPENING. Stop repeating the spin.

Any 3rd world country will have typical academic marks that slaughter ours.

Ask anyone from the 3rd world and you will see that everyone in the class who does pass, passes with at least a 90%. It's just standard over there. They pretty much ALL qualify for the scholorships.

But alas, this is the info that the media doesn't report on and something you have to be in the 'know' of. You guys seem to be incapable of understanding what is going on here.

The Liberal party as usual is acting on behalf of the Liberal party and not Canadians. Us usual, they are using tax dollars and destroying our country in order to get more votes. This is all the Liberal party knows how to do. All the socialist parties are the same.

But it's unreal how you guys really think it's about the students and schools and you guys just fall for the spin so easily.

It's really about VOTE BUYING and it's what the Liberals do best.