Any UFC/MMA fans?

[kimmy]

Getting on top of a competent MMA fighter isn't cowardly. It takes gonads of steel, because it's one of the most dangerous things you can do in a fight. You're putting yourself in a situation where one mistake is going to get you in a choke hold or arm lock.

I think the guy who thinks that only immigrants would attack a guy when he's down has probably never been in a real fight, or even seen one.

I have found that MMA fans seem to have a short attention span,and require their comabative sport's outcome to be short and sweet....I prefer to see how someone can figure out how to impose their will on someone over a longer period of time...

There are certainly those who don't understand what's going on and just want to see a couple of mooks pounding each other's heads in. I suspect that viewers who want to see that end up disappointed and don't stick with MMA for long.

Fans who stick with the sport are ones who have the patience to watch long grappling sequences and try to understand the intricacies of grappling. I think that grappling tends to turn fans with short attention spans away from the sport quickly, and frankly that's for the best.

I think people who are new to the sport are inevitably shocked at how powerful grappling actually is. People who come in expecting kung-fu kicks and elbow-smashes and flying knees watch a few fights, see how effective plain-old-amateur wrestling is, and go "wtf!" and see some jiu-jitsu submissions and have no idea what even happened. Some people will see that and decide they'd rather go watch kung-fu movies or WWF, and other people see that and decide they want to know how that guy did that thing with the other guy's arm.

I love the diversity of techniques that are used in MMA. I think it's amazing to see a guy like Demian Maya or Dustin Hazelett win a fight without throwing a single punch or leaving a mark on their opponent, by applying a jiu-jitsu hold that nobody sees coming. Of course, Hazelett and Maya have both been knocked out by dangerous strikers. Then again, the strikers that knocked them out both got dominated by powerful wrestlers. Then again, those wrestlers have been submitted by jiu-jitsu experts. I love the clash of styles, and the strategies they use to try to make the fight play to their strength instead of their opponent's. And the unpredictability is the other thing that makes it really interesting. Sometimes somebody screws up and you get a very short fight as a result. Sometimes a guy has something that the other guy just doesn't have any answer to. Sometimes you can see it coming a mile away and other times it's a complete shock. Sometimes you get a 3 (or 5) round war, and other times it's over in a minute or less. There's all kinds of ways fights can end, and it's often something completely different from what you expect.

-k

[dre]

Why are you the type that jumps on a man when he is down?

Fights in the real world dont end when an opponent goes down. As a matter of fact most fights go to the ground within a few seconds, and become grapling/wrestling matches with the occasional punch landed from odd angles.

Fighting on the ground is part of hand to hand combat. Youre free to not like it and not watch it, but spare us the crap about how a boxer hammering away on a stunned opponents skull is somehow honorable, but wrestling and g&p are not.

[Shwa]

Fights in the real world dont end when an opponent goes down. As a matter of fact most fights go to the ground within a few seconds, and become grapling/wrestling matches with the occasional punch landed from odd angles.

Perhaps there is something to your logic. After all there are men who beat women "in the real world" and if a woman can "defend" herself, it won't be long before you find it acceptable that MMA stage co-ed fights right?

Fighting on the ground is part of hand to hand combat. Youre free to not like it and not watch it, but spare us the crap about how a boxer hammering away on a stunned opponents skull is somehow honorable, but wrestling and g&p are not.

Using a weapon is part of hand-to-hand combat as well. I say, let's allow knives in MMA bouts because the referee can always call off the fight when one combatant is bleeding out on the mat. Sounds fair to me.

Edited September 21, 2010 by Shwa

[Shwa]

Hehehehe....

I have found that MMA fans seem to have a short attention span,and require their comabative sport's outcome to be short and sweet....I prefer to see how someone can figure out how to impose their will on someone over a longer period of time...

Not me Jack. If I was going to watch MMA, you can bet it is to figure out the intricacies of grappling. Nothing says MMA like a good grapple!

[kimmy]

There it is, really. All the stuff about safety is just crap. The objections all boil down to some notion of chivalry, and that's all it is. Some notion about how gentlemen act. Combat sports aren't for gentlemen, they are for sportsmen. Sportsmen understand the rules, agree to the rules, follow the rules during the competition, and shake their opponent's hand when it's over. That's true whether it's pool or tennis or boxing or MMA.

As for grappling... scoff if you wish, but it's about the most effective thing a human can do in a fight (ask James Toney...) and a vital part of understanding self defense.

Do people watch MMA for grappling? That would be overstating the case. But consider this: the mid-sized town I live in now has more Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu studios than boxing schools. That's a direct result of UFC. People see it and suddenly realize: "that's how you can protect yourself if somebody has you down!" "that's how you can protect yourself from somebody bigger and stronger!" "I need to learn how to do that."

-k

[Shwa]

Do people watch MMA for grappling? That would be overstating the case. But consider this: the mid-sized town I live in now has more Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu studios than boxing schools. That's a direct result of UFC. People see it and suddenly realize: "that's how you can protect yourself if somebody has you down!" "that's how you can protect yourself from somebody bigger and stronger!" "I need to learn how to do that." -k

Then we will expect no whining from you when the guns come out. In the "real world" I mean.

[kimmy]

Then we will expect no whining from you when the guns come out. In the "real world" I mean.

People are going to start shooting each other because of UFC?

-k

[Shwa]

People are going to start shooting each other because of UFC? -k

You tell me. You're the one that made the connection:

Other people might bypass jiu-jitsu and go directly to firearms.

[kimmy]

You tell me. You're the one that made the connection:

Other people might bypass jiu-jitsu and go directly to firearms.

Moronic.

-k

[dre]

You tell me. You're the one that made the connection:

Other people might bypass jiu-jitsu and go directly to firearms.

Shakes head.

[kimmy]

It's funny. All these years, for far longer than the UFC has been around... karate schools and tae kwon do schools and judo schools and (wait for it) boxing clubs have proclaimed the benefits of learning self defense.

It never occurred to me until now that all along parents could have been saying "you know, I think I'm just going to buy li'l Jimmy a gun."

-k

[dre]

It's funny. All these years, for far longer than the UFC has been around... karate schools and tae kwon do schools and judo schools and (wait for it) boxing clubs have proclaimed the benefits of learning self defense.

It never occurred to me until now that all along parents could have been saying "you know, I think I'm just going to buy li'l Jimmy a gun."

-k

The scary thing is that theres people that think like Shwa on this issue in city councils, athletic commisions, etc. People that make subjective judgements sans evidence, based on personal perception.

Its taken a long time for MMA to overcome this kind of perception, and its still banned in a LOT of cities. Still though the tide has turned. MMA is the fastest growing sport in the world. Its being santioned in more and more cities and its destroying boxing for ratings and pay per view sales except when one or two of the top 5 boxers are on the card.

[Shady]

The scary thing is that theres people that think like Shwa on this issue in city councils, athletic commisions, etc. People that make subjective judgements sans evidence, based on personal perception.

Exactly. That's why it took Ontario so long to allow MMA. It's people like Shwa in charge, that literally no nothing about MMA, other than from movies they've seen from 10 years ago.

[Jack Weber]

Not me Jack. If I was going to watch MMA, you can bet it is to figure out the intricacies of grappling. Nothing says MMA like a good grapple!

A good grapple or a good grab ass?

Because that's what alot of the MMA matches I've watched look like...

A soft core gay porn grab ass session!!!

[Jack Weber]

You tell me. You're the one that made the connection:

Other people might bypass jiu-jitsu and go directly to firearms.

That's a bit over the top,don't you think?

[Shady]

A good grapple or a good grab ass?

Because that's what alot of the MMA matches I've watched look like...

A soft core gay porn grab ass session!!!

I've never seen any gay porn, so I'll have to take your word for it.

[Shwa]

That's a bit over the top,don't you think?

Oh it might be... a little.

But you have to credit kimmy with the idea that kids are flocking to jui-jitsu classes to help defend themselves better because they watch UFC. Other kids are arming themselves with firearms to protect their drug selling territory. It is only a matter of time before one of each meets up and my money is on the kid with the gun.

[Shwa]

Exactly. That's why it took Ontario so long to allow MMA. It's people like Shwa in charge, that literally no nothing about MMA, other than from movies they've seen from 10 years ago.

Meh, it's a small price to pay to keep real men honourable and worthy of our traditional cultural values.

[kimmy]

A good grapple or a good grab ass?

Because that's what alot of the MMA matches I've watched look like...

A soft core gay porn grab ass session!!!

Good point... I bet James Toney feels like he got ****** up the *** pretty hard...

Oh it might be... a little.

But you have to credit kimmy with the idea that kids are flocking to jui-jitsu classes to help defend themselves better because they watch UFC. Other kids are arming themselves with firearms to protect their drug selling territory. It is only a matter of time before one of each meets up and my money is on the kid with the gun.

Gee, Da Shwa sounds like a terrible place to live.

Personally I've been in a lot of fights, and a lot more situations that could have turned in to fights, and learning Judo at a young age has served me well. The kimlets will certainly learn Judo as soon as they're ready. Personally I think that a martial art is generally a pretty good thing for kids to learn.

It's undeniable that Brazilian jiu-jitsu is exploding in popularity, and it's obvious that UFC is the reason why. Whether people are signing up with the expectation of battling gun-toting drug-dealers, or to learn to protect themselves from bullies, or because they want to be like Georges St Pierre when they grow up, or because it looks cool on tv, I can only speculate. I'm guessing the latter three more so than the first.

Meh, it's a small price to pay to keep real men honourable and worthy of our traditional cultural values.

So where do pro boxers fit in?

-k

[Shwa]

Gee, Da Shwa sounds like a terrible place to live.

Oh gawd no, I was referring to places with rampant crime like Edmonton. The Shwa is way down the list.

Personally I've been in a lot of fights, and a lot more situations that could have turned in to fights, and learning Judo at a young age has served me well. The kimlets will certainly learn Judo as soon as they're ready. Personally I think that a martial art is generally a pretty good thing for kids to learn.

I agree although I would prefer Muay Thai providing there is no hoofing someone in the head when they are down. Elbow to the face - yes; punching someone on the ground - no. The other aspect of Muay Thai is that it is great athletic conditioning for other sports, most martial arts are.

It's undeniable that Brazilian jiu-jitsu is exploding in popularity, and it's obvious that UFC is the reason why. Whether people are signing up with the expectation of battling gun-toting drug-dealers, or to learn to protect themselves from bullies, or because they want to be like Georges St Pierre when they grow up, or because it looks cool on tv, I can only speculate. I'm guessing the latter three more so than the first.

No doubt. When I was in high school, WAY back in the day, I saw a fight in the locker bays between a large 6' + bully farmboy and a smaller city kid who was one of the youngest in Canada to achieve a blackbelt in something or another. The fight was over in one simple kick to the face of said farmboy. I am not sure if city kid broke farmboys nose, but there was a lot of blood flowing out of it. It was a thing of beauty actually. Step-leap-boot. Fight over.

So where do pro boxers fit in?

So long as they don't beat on a man when he is down and allow him to get back up to fight, they are protecting our cultural traditions from the gutless savagery of MMA.

[dre]

protecting our cultural traditions from the gutless savagery of MMA

What a clown.

[Shwa]

:lol:What a clown.

With a heavy emphasis on "gutless." Every real man knows this. At least every real red-blooded Canadian man.

[Shady]

With a heavy emphasis on "gutless." Every real man knows this. At least every real red-blooded Canadian man.

I'd instead put a heavy emphasis on ignorant. The reason why when a fighter is taken to the ground, they don't stand back up and box, is because it's not boxing!!!! It's mixed martial arts. Which consists of boxing, wrestling, jujitsu, karate, etc. It's actually real fighting. There is no sissy rule stating that you have to stand up at all times, right in front of me, so that I can punch you, and you can punch me. That reminds me of civil war military strategy. When soldiers would walk in a line towards the enemy, while getting the shit shot out of them.

[Shwa]

I'd instead put a heavy emphasis on ignorant. The reason why when a fighter is taken to the ground, they don't stand back up and box, is because it's not boxing!!!! It's mixed martial arts. Which consists of boxing, wrestling, jujitsu, karate, etc. It's actually real fighting. There is no sissy rule stating that you have to stand up at all times, right in front of me, so that I can punch you, and you can punch me. That reminds me of civil war military strategy. When soldiers would walk in a line towards the enemy, while getting the shit shot out of them.

Which only goes to show that you are not sufficiently acquainted with our cultural traditions and give away your recent arrival here. I suppose you are going to say that the "rules" for beating on women are "sissy" too eh Mo?

[Shady]

I suppose you are going to say that the "rules" for beating on women are "sissy" too eh Mo?

I'm not sure what Canada's laws against assault on anyone have anything to do with MMA competitions. Keep on reaching!