This protester calls for sanctity of Ground Zero.

[Machjo]

When the epitaph is built on Ground Zero, we must ensure that the names of any Muslim victim of 9/11, be he a first responder, a worker in the building, or a passenger in the plane, not be included on the list of victims of 9/11.

Instead, once we shall have removed the Islamic centre from so close to Ground Zero to a few blocks further away, we could then ask it to include its own epitaph in its own mosque with the names of the Muslim victims of Ground Zero. While family members of victims go to pray at Ground Zero, we could make an exception for the Muslim family members of victims of 9/11 lest they offend tourists. Maybe we could ask them to go to their mosque further away to pray for their loved ones who died on 9/11.

After all, America did not sacrifice its soldiers in Iraq to give Muslims freedom in America. It was rather to give them freedom in Iraq. Let's not forget that.

So I call for a wipe out of all evidence of Islam of any kind anywhere near Ground Zero. Your thoughts on this?

Edited August 21, 2010 by Machjo

[kimmy]

When the epitaph is built on Ground Zero, we must ensure that the names of any Muslim victim of 9/11, be he a first responder, a worker in the building, or a passenger in the plane, not be included on the list of victims of 9/11.

Instead, once we shall have removed the Islamic centre from so close to Ground Zero to a few blocks further away, we could then ask it to include its own epitaph in its own mosque with the names of the Muslim victims of Ground Zero. While family members of victims go to pray at Ground Zero, we could make an exception for the Muslim family members of victims of 9/11 lest they offend tourists. Maybe we could ask them to go to their mosque further away to pray for their loved ones who died on 9/11.

After all, America did not sacrifice its soldiers in Iraq to give Muslims freedom in America. It was rather to give them freedom in Iraq. Let's not forget that.

So I call for a wipe out of all evidence of Islam of any kind anywhere near Ground Zero. Your thoughts on this?

Did we really need another thread for this, especially when this post is basically a carbon-copy of the one you just made in another thread?

-k

[Machjo]

Did we really need another thread for this, especially when this post is basically a carbon-copy of the one you just made in another thread?

-k

Yeah, but I've decided to switch sides. I do agree that it's highly offensive to have any positive sign of Islam anywhere near Ground Zero. Mentioning that the perpetrators did so in the name of Islam would be highly laudable. But any positive comment, such as references to innocent Muslim victims or Muslim first responders who'd lost their lives is just inappropriate. After all, how are we to truly express our rage against these acts committed in the name of Islam while staring at an epitaph with the names of Muslim victims and first responders before our eyes. It would just make it too confusing. After all, we can't be sending the message that some who call themselves Muslims are bad and others good. It would just be too confusing.

Or I suppose we can make a compromise. We could name the names of the Muslims who died on 911 either as victims or first responders risking their lives as long as we don't mention their religion, but should of course mention the religion of the perpetrators to make it clear that there was a relationship between this attack and Islam without any confusing suggestions that some Muslims might have given their lives helping others or as victims themselves.

[dre]

Did we really need another thread for this, especially when this post is basically a carbon-copy of the one you just made in another thread?

-k

The fact that there was even ONE thread about this is a black eye on MLW. Seems like this place is becoming a clearing house for faux islamaphobic outrage. Confused outrage at that.

Some people are under the paranoid delusion that a "mosque" is going to be build on "ground zero"

Edited August 22, 2010 by dre

[Machjo]

The fact that there was even ONE thread about this is a black eye on MLW. Seems like this place is becoming a clearing house for faux islamaphobic outrage. Confused outrage at that.

Some people are under the paranoid delusion that a "mosque" is going to be build on "ground zero"

"faux islamophobic outrage"

You think my outrage is faux? How dare you My Islamophobia is genuine

I am genuinely outraged that at least one police officer who died on the scene was Muslim, and that there wre so many Muslim victims. It just makes it harder to keep positive references to Islam away from Ground Zero. We need to make sure that it's never revealed that at least one of the first responders was a practicing Muslim and that there were so many Muslim victims, or it will cause confusion among some of the protesters. It's clear that Is;am was the motive for the attacks, but it certainly wasn't the motive to help others. It must be the case now don't confuse me with facts.

[Shady]

I have to agree with kimmy. It's retarded to start another thread on this topic.

[BubberMiley]

It's retarded to start another thread on this topic.

It's also retarded to start a thread about how outraged you are that Rahm Emanuel used the term retarded in a private conversation when you use the term yourself.

[Shady]

It's also retarded to start a thread about how outraged you are that Rahm Emanuel used the term retarded in a private conversation when you use the term yourself.

Nope, not at all. I've clearly explained the differences, and why I continue to use the word. Re-read my posts in that thread.

[bush_cheney2004]

An engine, with no load, running

retarded

may not give symptoms of

retarded

overheating until it is too late, and damage has been done. This may show up as burned head gaskets, warped or burned valves, poor ring seal, and severe power loss, especially when loaded for a length of time. With the piston removed, a sure sign of

retarded

timing is a brownish or blued cylinder wall, and a severely varnished, or galled piston skirt. This is directly the result of an over heated piston, and the fact that oil has been burned off the cylinder.

[Bonam]

An engine, with no load, running

retarded

may not give symptoms of

retarded

overheating until it is too late, and damage has been done. This may show up as burned head gaskets, warped or burned valves, poor ring seal, and severe power loss, especially when loaded for a length of time. With the piston removed, a sure sign of

retarded

timing is a brownish or blued cylinder wall, and a severely varnished, or galled piston skirt. This is directly the result of an over heated piston, and the fact that oil has been burned off the cylinder.

The retarded potential formulae describe the scalar or vector potential for electromagnetic fields of a time-varying current or charge distribution. The retardation between cause and effect is thereby essential; e.g. the signal takes a finite time, corresponding to the velocity of light, to propagate from the source point r', of the field to the point r, where an effect is produced or measured. Otherwise, the formulas below correspond to the same superposition principle acting, e.g., in electrostatics for Coulomb's law.

These are the electromagnetic retarded potentials for an arbitrary source in free space (vacuum). They satisfy the inhomogeneous wave equations for Φ and A in the Lorenz gauge.

Edited August 28, 2010 by Bonam

[bush_cheney2004]

The retarded potential formulae describe the scalar or vector potential for electromagnetic fields of a time-varying current or charge distribution. The retardation between cause and effect is thereby essential; e.g. the signal takes a finite time, corresponding to the velocity of light, to propagate from the source point r', of the field to the point r, where an effect is produced or measured. Otherwise, the formulas below correspond to the same superposition principle acting, e.g., in electrostatics for Coulomb's law.

These are the electromagnetic retarded potentials for an arbitrary source in free space (vacuum). They satisfy the inhomogeneous wave equations for Φ and A in the Lorenz gauge.

The Casimir and Polder

retarded

dipole—dipole energy of interaction between two ground‐state (non‐degenerate) atoms is expressed in terms of sine and cosine integrals. This result should be accurate for all interatomic separations R. In the range of moderately large separations (discussed in the preceding paper), where the charge distributions do not overlap and where R is small compared to λ0=(αΔϵ)−1, the Casimir and Polder results can be expanded in the form

E

_int

= R

^-6

C

₆

+a

²

R

^-4

W

₄

+a

³

R

^-3

A + a

⁴

R

^-2

B +.....

[Bonam]

The Casimir and Polder

retarded

dipole—dipole energy of interaction between two ground‐state (non‐degenerate) atoms is expressed in terms of sine and cosine integrals. This result should be accurate for all interatomic separations R. In the range of moderately large separations (discussed in the preceding paper), where the charge distributions do not overlap and where R is small compared to λ0=(αΔϵ)−1, the Casimir and Polder results can be expanded in the form

E

_int

= R

^-6

C

₆

+a

²

R

^-4

W

₄

+a

³

R

^-3

A + a

⁴

R

^-2

B +.....

The wave is due to gravitational field of a distant mass. The mass is in motion, so its field must be retarded. In order to do that, first transform to a frame of reference that is co-moving with the source at the retarded time. In that frame of reference, and in the weak field limit, the gravitational 4-potential along the future light cone is equivalent to the simple inverse square law relationship of the Newton theory if the particle is moving at a constant velocity. It might be otherwise if the particle is accelerated. In the case of charge, there are no experimental results showing that the acceleration makes a difference, and it will be assumed that the gravitational field behaves similarly. In other words, even though the acceleration makes a vast difference in the final global solution, the retardation equations for charge do not contain any acceleration terms. The potentials are the integral of the fields, causing them to be of lower order. The acceleration terms do not appear until the potential solution is differentiated.

[kimmy]

It's also retarded to start a thread about how outraged you are that Rahm Emanuel used the term retarded in a private conversation when you use the term yourself.

It's also retarded to suggest that the President's chief of staff be held to the same standard as an anonymous guy on a message board.

It's also retarded for the forces of political correctness to defend his use of this politically incorrect term.

It's kind of retarded for "the left" to think that everybody should conform to their standards except themselves.

-k

[eyeball]

It's kind of retarded for "the left" to think that everybody should conform to their standards except themselves.

-k

You'd have to be retarded to imagine "the right" doesn't do the same thing. Pointing it out in other's anyway sets a new standard.

How about a shrine to the retardedness surrounding Ground Zero?

[scribblet]

Wow, is this thread retarded duh !!

[BubberMiley]

It's also retarded for the forces of political correctness to defend his use of this politically incorrect term.

-k

Which one is the force of political correctness? It couldn't be me. I've only ever been rude.

[scribblet]

How sweet an epitaph to the thousands killed would be, I could accept a mosque built there if that where to happen.