Wikileaks

[bloodyminded]

Again shows what you know. It also shows you have no family connection to the Canadian Armed Forces. It's OK if our guys die because of this is what it says. Which is why you're my enemy and a terrorist supporter.

Let's leave your politically correct, "support the troops," whining aside for the moment: you have freely admitted that you are a terrorist supporter. It's on you, little guy.

Edited August 4, 2010 by bloodyminded

[DogOnPorch]

Let's leave your politically correct, "support the troops," whining aside for the moment: you have freely admitted that you are a terrorist supporter. It's on you, little guy.

You're the politically correct the terrorists are our friend type around here. You and your buddy naiomi. For all I know you two are the same poster.

Edited August 4, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[bloodyminded]

You're the politically correct the terrorists are our friend type around here. You and your buddy naiomi. For all I know you two are the same poster.

You're not paying attention to your own opinions. You support terrorism; I don't.

Hopefully that's clear, even to a poor reader.

I'm still waiting for you to expand on your (stated, explicit) support for terrorism.

Edited August 4, 2010 by bloodyminded

[DogOnPorch]

You're not paying attention to your own opinions. You support terrorism; I don't.

Hopefully that's clear, even to a poor reader.

I'm still waiting for you to expand on your (stated, explicit) support for terrorism.

Again you're simply turning your support for terrorists around in the usual lame strawman. You're the one agreeing with Hamas members like naiomiglover. Not I.

[bloodyminded]

Again you're simply turning your support for terrorists around in the usual lame strawman. You're the one agreeing with Hamas members like naiomiglover. Not I.

I don't agree with hamas' use of terrorism, at all.

Link my support for it if you can find it (though, very generously, I can tell you beforehand it's a waste of your time.)

You, however, defend terrorism so long as Western interests are involved.

That's not opposition to terrorism. It's support.

Edited August 4, 2010 by bloodyminded

[DogOnPorch]

I don't agree with hamas' use of terrorism, at all.

Link my agreement if you can find it (though, very generously, I can tell you beforehand it's a waste of your time.)

You, however, defend terrorism so long as Western interests are involved.

That's not opposition to terrorism. It's support.

Yeah...keep swiming there, Osama.

[bloodyminded]

Yeah...keep swiming there, Osama.

Alright...you've given up, as you always do.

[Oleg Bach]

The leaks are not of current status.

That is not the point - if you have an "enemy" you do NOT - educate them - inform them or assist them in anyway. Modern war fare consists of this new front called MEDIA..and media will spill the beans..as long as someone is making money war is just fine it seems.

I can see it now some bearded Ak guy with a lap top in some cave...checking out troop status on CNN...as for Wikileaks..they might not be spilling the current beans but they are giving some one an over view that can be translated into action..we are fools - If you are going to take someone out in a bar fight - you do not threaten of inform - you hit the bastard over the head with a chair from behind - thus you insure that you win the war..To litigate a war...we make the same mistakes that lawyers and laymen make..we get emotional and sensational and we educate evil people hoping to CHANGE them - You do not change them - you just teach evil people how good people think ----

AND this is an action of empowerment - all power is conducted in secrecy ---WE HAVE A BIG MOUTH.

[bloodyminded]

That is not the point - if you have an "enemy" you do NOT - educate them - inform them or assist them in anyway. Modern war fare consists of this new front called MEDIA..and media will spill the beans..as long as someone is making money war is just fine it seems.

I can see it now some bearded Ak guy with a lap top in some cave...checking out troop status on CNN...as for Wikileaks..they might not be spilling the current beans but they are giving some one an over view that can be translated into action..we are fools - If you are going to take someone out in a bar fight - you do not threaten of inform - you hit the bastard over the head with a chair from behind - thus you insure that you win the war..To litigate a war...we make the same mistakes that lawyers and laymen make..we get emotional and sensational and we educate evil people hoping to CHANGE them - You do not change them - you just teach evil people how good people think ----

AND this is an action of empowerment - all power is conducted in secrecy ---WE HAVE A BIG MOUTH.

You're assuming it's a given that the war is just and we should "win"...whatever that means.

But many people, including the Wikileakers...and quite possibly the majority of the world...believe the war to be wrong.

[Wild Bill]

You're assuming it's a given that the war is just and we should "win"...whatever that means.

But many people, including the Wikileakers...and quite possibly the majority of the world...believe the war to be wrong.

How about the young girls in Afghanistan who would like to go to school and be educated? Are they wrong?

How about the folks who work in skyscrapers? Are they wrong to believe that they shouldn't have to worry about an airplane taking them out?

[bloodyminded]

How about the young girls in Afghanistan who would like to go to school and be educated? Are they wrong?

No.

How about the folks who work in skyscrapers? Are they wrong to believe that they shouldn't have to worry about an airplane taking them out?

No.

But I'm not talking about the argument for or agaisnt the war.

I'm talking about the fact that a lot of people think it's bad.

Edited August 4, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Bonam]

Yep, troop movements are precisely the same now as they were nine or ten months ago. Your military expertise at work.

Dude there are a lot of things to war besides "troop movements". Our troops move all the time, of course. But what about the identities of individuals in the field, lists of locals/villages that favor the West, future plans and projections, locations of secret facilities, layouts of bases, security procedures, supply shipment schedules, and tons of other stuff. Some information is outdated after a year, but much of it is not.

[Sir Bandelot]

But I'm not talking about the argument for or agaisnt the war.

I'm talking about the fact that a lot of people think it's bad.

Then there's the whole question, is war the most effective way to solve problems like, letting little girls go to school. Are there other ways to do it, without blowing little girls up by shooting hellfire rockets at their village.

[DogOnPorch]

Then there's the whole question, is war the most effective way to solve problems like, letting little girls go to school. Are there other ways to do it, without blowing little girls up by shooting hellfire rockets at their village.

Nice one sided statement.

[Sir Bandelot]

Nice one sided statement.

sniff me arse, mutt

[DogOnPorch]

Sir Bandelot: sniff me arse, mutt

No thanks; men are not my cup-o-tea. I do support you in your gay lifestyle though. Did you manage to make it out for Pride?

Edited August 5, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[bloodyminded]

Then there's the whole question, is war the most effective way to solve problems like, letting little girls go to school. Are there other ways to do it, without blowing little girls up by shooting hellfire rockets at their village.

Their families are insufficiently grateful for our efforts.

[Sir Bandelot]

"Pakistani American David Headley pleaded guilty this year to conducting surveillance in support of the 2008 Lashkar-i-Taiba attacks in Mumbai, which killed more than 160 people. The militant group facilitated his movement between the United States, Pakistan and India, the agency paper said.

"In 1994, an American Jewish doctor who had emigrated from New York to Israel years earlier opened fire at a mosque at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron, killing 29 Palestinian worshippers. The rampage by Baruch Goldstein, a member of the militant group Kach founded by the late Meir Kahane, helped trigger a wave of bus bombings by the extremist Palestinian group Hamas in 1995, the paper noted.

WikiLeaks releases CIA paper on U.S. as 'exporter of terrorism'

I'm not surprised. But it's useful to get a reminder of the level of intrigue and collusion that's taking place, by all parties, so that we know what's really going on.

[Moonlight Graham]

It does. Unfortunately, this creep from Wikileaks is far from it. The only thing this douchebag succeeded in doing, was publish the names of hundreds of Afghan citizens who've risked their lives in an effort to defeat the Taliban. If these people end up dead in the near future, this douchebag should be charged with manslaughter.

On an ironic note. Remember how some people were so upset about Valarie Plame? When the biggest danger she was ever in was over-bleaching her hair. However, in this case, outing the names of hundreds of Afghans on our side and putting their lives in immense danger, earns this douchebag praise and admiration from those people who were so critical of the Plame leak.

Dunno about the Plame leak stuff, but i agree with Shady's general argument here. Mr. Wikileaks should not be posting these things without very careful consideration & investigation of the effects/impacts a given leak may have. He didn't do this in this case, he just plopped all this stuff on the internet and now the lives of an untold number of Afghan civilians who've helped us are at risk, and Afghans will be more reluctant of helping NATO in the future thanks to this bozo.

Some good has come of the leak, but much more bad will come of it IMO.

[eyeball]

But what about the identities of individuals in the field, lists of locals/villages that favor the West

We should let them immigrate to the west. As I've said elsewhere, the West is in dire need of people who value freedom and democracy.

[Shady]

Rape charges reissued against Wikileaks founder Julian Assange Link

[Sir Bandelot]

WikiLeaks threat sparks massive review of diplomatic documents

November 25, 2010(CNN) -- The threat of publication of thousands of sensitive diplomatic cables by a website has prompted a massive review of documents at U.S. embassies around the world, a U.S. official says.

The documents are believed to include hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of diplomatic reporting cables from around the world from between 2006 and 2009, the official said.

If the new documents are published as threatened, the Pentagon team will help assess how damaging they are to U.S. interests. The State Department has directed every diplomatic mission in the world to analyze cables issued from their locations during that period and to highlight those cables that might contain material sensitive enough to harm the relationship with the host country.

Honest diplomatic reporting is essential, the official says, and the leaks could hurt that. The source says the concern is that the WikiLeaks release could undermine the United States all over the world.

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Too late for "Honest diplomatic reporting", when all is full of intrugue, fraud and betrayal. For as my Pappy used to say, "A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent." And here most certainly are some bad truths being told.

Edited November 26, 2010 by Sir Bandelot

[Oleg Bach]

The boy who screamed the king has no clothes has finally been detained in London. Not that there is an arrest warrant out for him- it is simply a matter of the authorities wanting to "question him." This matter of this person being an alledged rapist is almost troubling...kind of like holding Omar Khdar without a real charge or trail...seems to be the trend these days that the crimminal element that has taken over most of our institutions world wide - have no regard for human rights or the general rule of law.

Here is the primary question regarding Julian's status as far as being truely chargeable for a real crimminal offence other than exposing the dirty underwear of thousands of supposed authoritarians world wide. It is a case of TWO lovers that supposedly found out that Julian was two timing them. Here is the question -------------------

Did the authorities approach these supposed jilted lovers or did the lovers approach the authorities?

This is prime in so far as the subtext of this on going saga. It is highly doubtful and improbable that the woman who admitted to having sex by consent with Julian would run to nearest police station and vile a complaint - stating that Wikiboy had been a very wicked fellow. It is MORE probable that a couple of investigators were sent to dig up some dirt on the biggest loud mouth to have every clicked a computer.

Or in the alternative these woman - one or both are now seeking some fame and fortune. Still I would say that this quasi arrest of Wikiboy...is the first step in the American agenda of putting a stop to this guy...There is already talk of extradition to the US...and that I don't get..America is NOT the formost authority on the planet-- and if they are it is all done via corruption...deception and the threat of violence. So to get biblical for a moment--" the prince of darkness maintained power over the whole earth through deception" _ to para phrase.

Now...IF in my estimation all power is conducted through secrecy...which it is---certainly power is not maintained by being a good guy that tells the truth...THEN the devil is about to battle Jullian - for spilling the beans....

This should be very entertaining - a classic battle between good and evil...well to be exact- It might be evil turning on evil and consuming itself. What ever it is I hope they get it over quickly so the rest of us can go back to our normal lives.

You know- the status quo - where are leaders lie to us and we follow like sheep--it's comfortable and it is all we've ever known..not need to change the sytem now...Or is it?

[DrGreenthumb]

Our "owners" hate the truth tellers. That is why Marc Emery sits in a US prison cell for selling plant seeds and using the profits to tell the truth to the world about prohibition. Our masters were very unhappy at being exposed as liars and tyrants.

[Oleg Bach]

Our "owners" hate the truth tellers. That is why Marc Emery sits in a US prison cell for selling plant seeds and using the profits to tell the truth to the world about prohibition. Our masters were very unhappy at being exposed as liars and tyrants.

That's bizarre that those that brew up beer and hard liquor ..do not sit in a jail cell - but sit high on the hog and live like gods on earth. If a diplomat or high ranking politcal envoy ...looks in the face of a man and lies to him..slanders him behind his back - and Jullian Assange mention that fact...THEN in my estimation and good judgement - the offending party should be contained in the jail cell _ NOT the whistle blower.

BUT - You have to understand that this is very similar to the scape goating that was used on people like Lord Conrad Black - one person goes to jail so that twenty thousand crimmals can maintain operation of the enterprise...I say send them all to jail...or none!