Climate Fascism

[scribblet]

I haven't seen this anywhere else, but I don't doubt that some moonbats would love to do this. Don't like opposing opinions, suppress them, don't like what people say - throw 'em in jail.

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2010/07/climate-fascism.html

Climate Fascism

Do you still doubt it?

People who are sceptical of climate change could soon be facing criminal charges in the European Court of Justice, British National Party leader and MEP Nick Griffin has said.

Speaking in an exclusive Radio Red, White and Blue interview on this week’s “Eurofile” report, Mr Griffin told interviewer John Walker about a recent sitting of the European Parliament’s subcommittee dealing with the matter, which had passed a ruling which in effect placed legal sanction against anyone who dared question the origin, cause or effect of “climate change.”

Mr Griffin revealed how he could not get a straight answer out of the committee while it was in session, but that afterwards it was admitted to him that that intention of the rule was to criminalise dissension on the topic of “climate change.”

Listen to the full Radio RWB report by clicking here, choosing the RWB player launch icon and clicking on “Nick Griffin 14 July Brussels” in the pop-up menu. [Look for 5.10mins- 8.20 -- JN]

[bloodyminded]

I haven't seen this anywhere else, but I don't doubt that some moonbats would love to do this. Don't like opposing opinions, suppress them, don't like what people say - throw 'em in jail.

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2010/07/climate-fascism.html

Climate Fascism

Do you still doubt it?

People who are sceptical of climate change could soon be facing criminal charges in the European Court of Justice, British National Party leader and MEP Nick Griffin has said.

Speaking in an exclusive Radio Red, White and Blue interview on this week’s “Eurofile” report, Mr Griffin told interviewer John Walker about a recent sitting of the European Parliament’s subcommittee dealing with the matter, which had passed a ruling which in effect placed legal sanction against anyone who dared question the origin, cause or effect of “climate change.”

Mr Griffin revealed how he could not get a straight answer out of the committee while it was in session, but that afterwards it was admitted to him that that intention of the rule was to criminalise dissension on the topic of “climate change.”

Listen to the full Radio RWB report by clicking here, choosing the RWB player launch icon and clicking on “Nick Griffin 14 July Brussels” in the pop-up menu. [Look for 5.10mins- 8.20 -- JN]

So, according to Griffin, it "in effect placed legal sanctions against anyone who dared question the origin, cause or effect of 'climate change.'"

I'd like to hear the actual details, rather than Griffin's recounting of them. If he's right, that would be simply preposterous; but I have my suspicions about his use of words here.

[Remiel]

...Somebody has clearly lost their marbles.

On a rather different note, " Climate Fascism " is a term I may use for inevitable resurgence of that ideology if climate change does come to pass.

[Michael Hardner]

This is highly amusing. In an age with more freedom than ever there are many who act like Europe and N. America are the USSR.

[Shady]

In an age with more freedom than ever there are many who act like Europe and N. America are the USSR.

I can't say that I agree with the premise of our age being more free than ever. I guess it depends on which country you live in. It seems to me that our freedoms are constantly being eroded. If it's not the climate police, it's the smoking police, or the sugary drinks police, or the trans fat police, or the cell phone while driving police, or the water bottle police, etc, etc.

[TimG]

I'd like to hear the actual details, rather than Griffin's recounting of them. If he's right, that would be simply preposterous; but I have my suspicions about his use of words here.

If you listen to the entire interview the facts seem to be:

1) There is a real plan for an 'International Environment Criminal Court'.

2) During a committee meeting on the topic Griffen asked if the court would be expected to prosecute 'AGW deniers'.

3) The presenter refused to answer (any response other than absolutely not is unacceptable in my POV).

4) After the meeting Griffen asked the presenter for his opinion.

5) The presenter said that the court definately should prosecute deniers.

So it seems the idea is not on any official agenda but there are definately people in the EU parliment with facist tendencies.

[Michael Hardner]

I can't say that I agree with the premise of our age being more free than ever. I guess it depends on which country you live in. It seems to me that our freedoms are constantly being eroded. If it's not the climate police, it's the smoking police, or the sugary drinks police, or the trans fat police, or the cell phone while driving police, or the water bottle police, etc, etc.

I can only speak from a first world perspective, obviously. Climate police, and smoking police haven't visited me so I am relatively free on those counts. Granted, I can't smoke on elevators like 40 years ago, but I can pretty much smoke pot in public without much care for the consequences so smokers are covered.

We also have relatively cheap food, and more acceptance of alternative lifestyles, and so on.

Kind of like the "War on Christmas" - these threats to our freedom are threats kind of like Bigfoot and Bermuda Triangle were in the 1970s. Something to shiver with fear in the dark about, to paraphrase Trudeau.

[nicky10013]

This is funny. The British National Party is the closest thing the UK has had to an actual fascist party since World War 2. Ironic, no?

Edited July 19, 2010 by nicky10013

[naomiglover]

If they can throw people in jail for questioning the holocaust, I'm sure they're capable of throwing people in jail for questioning climate change.

But then again, Scriblett is getting her information from BNP.

[waldo]

I haven't seen this anywhere else, but I don't doubt that some moonbats would love to do this. Don't like opposing opinions, suppress them, don't like what people say - throw 'em in jail.

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2010/07/climate-fascism.html

Climate Fascism

from a denier blog that links to another denier blog... except in this case the link is broken! When you check the target site, you can't find the supposed article. Is there a problem... uhhh, other than the guy being quoted is the leader of the most right of right British parties, the British National Party (BNP)... the party that won no seats in the recent 2010 election... the party that secured a whopping 1.9% of the entire UK electoral vote. I note Stormfront is particularly taken with BNP

should we talk about the real suppression moves... like U.S. Republican Senator Inhofe's want to criminalize 17 climate scientists... like U.S. Republican State Attorney General Cuccinelli's court filing against a climate scientist... like Monckton's repeated forays into falsely proclaiming his intent to seek legal recourse against those who challenge him... like the ultimate suppression move - death threats placed against climate scientists... etc., etc., etc.

[ToadBrother]

...Somebody has clearly lost their marbles.

On a rather different note, " Climate Fascism " is a term I may use for inevitable resurgence of that ideology if climate change does come to pass.

Well of course, because the best way to deal with any scientific theory is through rhetorical games.

[Michael Hardner]

should we talk about the real suppression moves... like U.S. Republican Senator Inhofe's want to criminalize 17 climate scientists...

Also the refusal by the mainstream press joints like the WSJ to retract Climategate accusations of Fraud etc...

[BubberMiley]

It seems to me that our freedoms are constantly being eroded. If it's not the climate police, it's the smoking police, or the sugary drinks police, or the trans fat police, or the cell phone while driving police, or the water bottle police, etc, etc.

Not to mention the jerks who would criminalize natural plants that people have smoked for millenia---oh, wait, you're one of those jerks. Never mind.

[Bonam]

The EU has been criminalizing all kinds of speech for a long time. We had a recent thread here about a law passed over in Europe that you could be jailed for "insulting" your spouse.

[jbg]

If they can throw people in jail for questioning the holocaust, I'm sure they're capable of throwing people in jail for questioning climate change.

But then again, Scriblett is getting her information from BNP.

Here you and I agree. No one should go to jail for questioning the holocaust. Public ridicule for stupidity is enough of a sanction.

In the case of "climate denial" I strongly suspect the AGW crowd is not up for debate.

[eyeball]

I can only speak from a first world perspective, obviously. Climate police, and smoking police haven't visited me so I am relatively free on those counts. Granted, I can't smoke on elevators like 40 years ago, but I can pretty much smoke pot in public without much care for the consequences so smokers are covered.

You should try that out in a small town sometime and see what happens. That said, if I want to light up a big pile of old stumps and brush and what have you, I can, just about any time (outside of fire season) I feel like.

Try that in the city and you'd probably see what happens to someone who lights up a spliff out in the boonies.

Fascism sure is weird.

[Remiel]

Well of course, because the best way to deal with any scientific theory is through rhetorical games.

Dude... I was not trying to deal with the scientific theory with my comments. Bin der, don dat. Well, at least not with the second part, which I what I assume you are addressing.

[scribblet]

If they can throw people in jail for questioning the holocaust, I'm sure they're capable of throwing people in jail for questioning climate change.

But then again, Scriblett is getting her information from BNP.

Then again, we know questioning GW is not politically correct, that the demonization and labelling of people who dare to question or are skeptical about the GW hysteria is going on.

then again, as Tim G said:

If you listen to the entire interview the facts seem to be:

1) There is a real plan for an 'International Environment Criminal Court'.

2) During a committee meeting on the topic Griffen asked if the court would be expected to prosecute 'AGW deniers'.

3) The presenter refused to answer (any response other than absolutely not is unacceptable in my POV).

4) After the meeting Griffen asked the presenter for his opinion.

5) The presenter said that the court definately should prosecute deniers.

[Pliny]

Not to mention the jerks who would criminalize natural plants that people have smoked for millenia---oh, wait, you're one of those jerks. Never mind.

You mean tobacco?