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I think it is perhaps shortsighted to say that a movie has to has memorable lines to be memorable. Who the hell remembers any of the dialogue from the original King Kong with Fay Wray? Who the hell remembers any dialogue from Charlie Chaplin? Do people still remember King Kong and Charlie Chaplin?

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Lot's of people do....

"Oh no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast."

I am familiar with that line, but it is not really in the same league as say, " Of all the gin joints in all the world... " or, " No, I am your father. "

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I think it is perhaps shortsighted to say that a movie has to has memorable lines to be memorable.
A memorable image that case: King Kong on top of the Empire State Building batting away planes.

A movie that has a lasting impact must have something that becomes part of popular culture. I think Toy Story is way a head of avatar on that front. Now that I think of it none of the characters in avatar are memorable either. I can't even remember their names.

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A memorable image that case: King Kong on top of the Empire State Building batting away planes.

A movie that has a lasting impact must have something that becomes part of popular culture. I think Toy Story is way a head of avatar on that front. Now that I think of it none of the characters in avatar are memorable either. I can't even remember their names.

Probably the primary references in this regard are to big blue people and hair tentacles. (Dollar to a dime the new Smurfs movie will contain at least one reference to Avatar.)

In a more specialized way, I think Avatar is an interesting variation for philosophical situations involving " a brain in a vat " or " the Matrix " , because it changes " Is any of this real? " to " Is this really me? "

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In a more specialized way, I think Avatar is an interesting variation for philosophical situations involving " a brain in a vat " or " the Matrix " , because it changes " Is any of this real? " to " Is this really me? "
But Matrix is the original and will be remembered for that. Avatar offered nothing new. The entire 'going native' meme is a derivative of 'dances with wolves' or 'pocohontus'. Edited by TimG
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But Matrix is the original and will be remembered for that. Avatar offered nothing new. The entire 'going native' meme is a derivative of 'dances with wolves' or 'pocohontus'.

Right...Avatar is fading fast in my memory...I will probably remember Papa Smurf better in 10 years. And I sure as hell will remember Sigourney Weaver as Ripley over Dr. Grace!

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But Matrix is the original and will be remembered for that. Avatar offered nothing new. The entire 'going native' meme is a derivative of 'dances with wolves' or 'pocohontus'.

Avatar will become the most memorable example of having a " remote controlled body " . That is distinct from " going native " . If, as Bonam believes, this actually becomes a prevalent technology in the coming century, I am betting that Avatar will be remembered as its fictional predecessor as the Star Trek communicator is remembered as the fictional predecessor of the modern cell phone.

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Avatar will definitely be remembered, it was breathtaking. Star wars movies, especially the original are still great and I don't know anyone who didn't enjoy watching them, or who doesn't know who darth vader or luke skywalker are. Woody Allen only makes one type of film, shitty boring movies with shitty boring dialogue and no action.

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Avatar will definitely be remembered, it was breathtaking.
I am curious if there is any relationship between one's opinion of Avatar and how much one plays 3D video games like Oblivion/Fallout? I suspect the people who say Avatar is nothing original are also gamers.
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I am curious if there is any relationship between one's opinion of Avatar and how much one plays 3D video games like Oblivion/Fallout? I suspect the people who say Avatar is nothing original are also gamers.

That has no basis in fact. There is a huge difference between conventional " 3D " and 3D of the Avatar variety. If you actually followed videogames, as I do, you would know that the successor to the Nintendo DS is tentatively known (and I imagine will remain) as the 3DS, because it is going to incorporate real 3D. The 3D phenomenon is sweeping up gamers just as it is everyone else. In fact, there are systems being developped to turn games with " 3D graphics " into real 3D, and one of the prime testing grounds for how this would look is Fallout 3. People are definitely like, " How awesome would Fallout 3 and Oblivion be with real 3D? " As a player of both Oblivion and Fallout 3, I look forward to the reign of our new 3D Overlords.

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I am curious if there is any relationship between one's opinion of Avatar and how much one plays 3D video games like Oblivion/Fallout? I suspect the people who say Avatar is nothing original are also gamers.

Yeah...you gotta figure. It's all kinda yawn after spectacular 3D games where you decide what's what.

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See above comment, since I posted it just before you did.

Yes...looking forward to the new tech...not looking forward to buying the computer that can handle it.

:lol:

What games like Oblivion did give us, however, is a "movie" where you play the lead role...or not...as you prefer.

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Yes...looking forward to the new tech...not looking forward to buying the computer that can handle it.

:lol:

I am not sure that it will actually require a much better computer to run a 3D game, at least right now. I would think that the difference needed in computing power would be little different in magnitude as it is from jumping from the current 16 to 32 depth, because what needs to be computed is a second image to overlay with the first, which is done by special glasses. If you look at GameSpot, IGN or 1UP, I imagine you could easily find a report on 3D from the recently past E3.

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Avatar will become the most memorable example of having a " remote controlled body " . That is distinct from " going native " . If, as Bonam believes, this actually becomes a prevalent technology in the coming century, I am betting that Avatar will be remembered as its fictional predecessor as the Star Trek communicator is remembered as the fictional predecessor of the modern cell phone.

The histo-cultural revisionism spins the head !!!

There were these things called walkie-talkies you see...

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The histo-cultural revisionism spins the head !!!

There were these things called walkie-talkies you see...

Revisionism nothing. Just because something has a fictional predecessor which it is often compared to, obviously does not mean it does not have real life predecessors. And we are not talking about actual associations here, we are talking about pop culture associations. The criteria are entirely different. This is about life imitating art.

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That is not the point I am making, though. The point is what associations are made, not which ones you think should be made.

That's your call...but clearly those of us who lived before Star Trek and the "Internet" know better. In another thread, you may have seen us discussing "obsolete" board game technology and model building....we didn't need a 3D version of Halo or Chrysis to be imaginatively entertained. It was just printed cardboard, some plastic pieces, and dice.

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That's your call...but clearly those of us who lived before Star Trek and the "Internet" know better. In another thread, you may have seen us discussing "obsolete" board game technology and model building....we didn't need a 3D version of Halo or Chrysis to be imaginatively entertained. It was just printed cardboard, some plastic pieces, and dice.

Neither do I. I love to play me some good ol' pen n' paper Dungeons & Dragons. The appreciation of low-tech and high-tech are not mutually exclusive.

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