The New Black Panthers/Voter Intimidation

[bush_cheney2004]

because they break the law at outrageously high rates, as they do everywhere and at all times all over the world.

So what's a "good" rate? Asians can make the same claim for "whites" in Canada.

[Jack Weber]

So what's a "good" rate? Asians can make the same claim for "whites" in Canada.

I think a better question is....What are the reasons behind high rates of criminal behaviour???

I mean,if someone does a crime,they should do the time,however....One would think it would be ideal to get at the causes for criminal behaviour to "nip it in the bud",as it were,so we are not simply constructing prisons to house criminals...

Edited July 12, 2010 by Jack Weber

[lictor616]

So what's a "good" rate? Asians can make the same claim for "whites" in Canada.

Asians are indeed far better civilized then whites in North America, IN the US (where they actually keep racial stats) asians have been shown to commit violent crimes at 22% of the white rate!

What rate is good? Its the line that separates a civilized society from a SAVAGE society, its the difference that can make a detroit or an Aspen colorado... that rate...

[bush_cheney2004]

Asians are indeed far better civilized then whites in North America, IN the US (where they actually keep racial stats) asians have been shown to commit violent crimes at 22% of the white rate!

Yep....white people can be dangerous to your health!

What rate is good? Its the line that separates a civilized society from a SAVAGE society, its the difference that can make a detroit or an Aspen colorado... that rate...

I prefer Detroit over Aspen any day.

[Jack Weber]

Yep....white people can be dangerous to your health!

I prefer Detroit over Aspen any day.

Do you think Dr.Mengele has pondered the cause and effect of 2 to 300 years of indentured servitude/forced illiteracy,100 years of Jim Crow and how it relates to economic disenfranchisement and crime rates essentially 1 generation since the Civil Rights legislation of the early '60's?

I'm not trying to make excuses for people but those inescapable facts seem to get lost in the minutia of these sorts of "discussions"...

[WIP]

Because lictor, they simply can't see their hypocrisy of bashing a right of center source while trusting a leftwing source. They have no equilibrium, so to speak, from which to analyze things like this. So anything that isn't favorable to their views is simply wrong, there's some kind of conspiracy involved, they are fascists, racists, religious bigots or simply crazy.

I actually feel sorry for them some days.

This is what's known as Projection sharkman, remember that term; it describes most of your criticisms of others.

[WIP]

"right wing provocateurs"...

hahaaha!

you can trash this entire article.... there be bias a-plenty here.

For instance? You seem to be better at shouting slogans than providing evidence.

[WIP]

how can anyone tolerate such lowly infotainment.... Madcow is after all a admitted communist sympathizer and hard left wing advocate... why consider her on this issue?

Show your proof that Rachel Maddow is a communist sympathizer.

[WIP]

Mexico is a favorite Canadian tourist destination despite the murder rate...cause it's cheap!

What's this "we" crap...are you projecting again?

It is a good thing...America was built by the very conflicts you spend so much time worrying about. I don't know if you noticed while spending your time hating Mexicans, but the USA now has a "mulatto" president...LOL!

Lots a luck trying to reason with a Nazi-sympathizing, Jew-baiting White supremacist.

[WIP]

I love how the left deplores seeing people attacked based on their appearance... except when it's people they don't like.

-k

I mention it because I'm sick of right wing hypocrisy that is always decrying sexual immorality and pushing abstinence-only education, gay marriage bans, re-criminalizing abortion etc. while they continually use sex to sell their messages.

[sharkman]

This is what's known as Projection sharkman, remember that term; it describes most of your criticisms of others.

Brought to you by Mr. Hardleft himself. How are things at Rabble?

[Jack Weber]

Brought to you by Mr. Hardleft himself. How are things at Rabble?

Alot of wet beds....

[Shwa]

Is it a joke that this issue received coverage on just one network? Do you think it's a joke that the Department of Justice handling of this issue is being questioned?

No, it isn't a joke because it is basically a non-story everywhere else with the exception of the pandering FOX. Voter intimidation by a couple of black guys, one of which is carry a billy club, and you create a false opposition with "bubbas" in confederate t-shirts? Nice stab at the double-standard argument again kimmy. If anything you are at least consistent.

For every case you can cite about a couple of black guys "intimidating" at a polling station, can be countered with dozens, if not hundreds, cases of white (and sometimes black) intimidation of black voters over the years. You missed the Jim Crow reference as an impetus for social perspective, but that isn't anything new is it? Why were the NBPP members there? To ensure that black voters were not themselves intimidated. And why did they think they would be? A hundred fifty years of experience that's why?

Did FOX news do reports on these recent cases?

The 2008 presidential election was one of the most competitive elections in our history, which led to many instances of voter intimidation. For example:

•In October 2008, the ACLU of New Mexico and Project Vote filed a lawsuit charging a Republican New Mexico State Representative and a private investigator with voter intimidation and invasion of privacy. Newly-registered minority voters were declared in a press conference by the NM State Representative to have fraudulently voted in the state primary elections. A private investigator was later hired by a party official to go to the homes of these voters and interrogate them about their citizenship status.

•After a rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina, supporters of Barack Obama went to a nearby early voting center, where they were heckled and harassed by a group of protesters as they went in to vote. Nearly all of the early voters were black, and nearly all of the protesters were white.

•In Virginia, students at Virginia Tech were told that if they registered to vote in Virginia, it could affect their scholarship or tax dependency status and would obligate them to change their car registration and driver’s license to their permanent address.

•Finally, a poll worker in Dearborn, Michigan was perceived to be intimidating Muslim Americans, of which Dearborn has a large concentration. Two Michigan precincts also reported the presence of police scanning the long lines for voters with outstanding warrants, with one person being arrested.

How about these incidents, do you remember the big FOX investigation about all these incidents?

Here are a few examples of recent incidents in which groups of voters have been singled out on the basis of race.

Most recently, controversy has erupted over the use in the Orlando area of armed, plainclothes officers from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to question elderly black voters in their homes. The incidents were part of a state investigation of voting irregularities in the city's March 2003 mayoral election. Critics have charged that the tactics used by the FDLE have intimidated black voters, which could suppress their turnout in this year’s elections. Six members of Congress recently called on Attorney General John Ashcroft to investigate potential civil rights violations in the matter.

This year in Florida, the state ordered the implementation of a “potential felon” purge list to remove voters from the rolls, in a disturbing echo of the infamous 2000 purge, which removed thousands of eligible voters, primarily African-Americans, from the rolls. The state abandoned the plan after news media investigations revealed that the 2004 list also included thousands of people who were eligible to vote, and heavily targeted African-Americans while virtually ignoring Hispanic voters.

This summer, Michigan state Rep. John Pappageorge (R-Troy) was quoted in the Detroit Free Press as saying, “If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election.” African Americans comprise 83% of Detroit’s population.

In South Dakota’s June 2004 primary, Native American voters were prevented from voting after they were challenged to provide photo IDs, which they were not required to present under state or federal law.

In Kentucky in July 2004, Black Republican officials joined to ask their State GOP party chairman to renounce plans to place “vote challengers” in African-American precincts during the coming elections.

Earlier this year in Texas, a local district attorney claimed that students at a majority black college were not eligible to vote in the county where the school is located. It happened in Waller County the same county where 26 years earlier, a federal court order was required to prevent discrimination against the students.

In 2003 in Philadelphia, voters in African American areas were systematically challenged by men carrying clipboards, driving a fleet of some 300 sedans with magnetic signs designed to look like law enforcement insignia.

In 2002 in Louisiana, flyers were distributed in African American communities telling voters they could go to the polls on Tuesday, December 10th three days after a Senate runoff election was actually held.

In 1998 in South Carolina, a state representative mailed 3,000 brochures to African American neighborhoods, claiming that law enforcement agents would be “working” the election, and warning voters that “this election is not worth going to jail.”

[lukin]

This is not a story that no one cares about. People have the right to know what is behind this story. Too bad the MSM is trying to cover it up.

http://bigjournalism.com/bparks/2010/07/08/another-story-the-msm-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about-never-bring-another-lawsuit-against-a-black/

[Shwa]

This is not a story that no one cares about. People have the right to know what is behind this story. Too bad the MSM is trying to cover it up.

http://bigjournalism.com/bparks/2010/07/08/another-story-the-msm-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about-never-bring-another-lawsuit-against-a-black/

No, it is a story that will have very little influence in the long run and lead to nowhere and no care. It will eventually be assimilated into all the other voter intimidation incidents and make a list like the ones I posted above.

However, you are absolutely correct to comment that "people have the right to know what is behind this story." I would suggest they dust off the history and books and get cracking. Do you think this is actually going to happen do you?

Too bad the Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act never made it past the Senate eh? I am sure this little factoid was widely reported by FOX yes? You know when they did the big investigative report on Pappageorge's comments? You remember that don't you?

Edited July 12, 2010 by Shwa

[Shady]

No, it isn't a joke because it is basically a non-story everywhere else with the exception of the pandering FOX.

Wrong. It's been covered on other networks. Stop trying to deflect the substance of the story towards your boogey man Fox News.

For every case you can cite about a couple of black guys "intimidating" at a polling station, can be countered with dozens, if not hundreds, cases of white (and sometimes black) intimidation of black voters over the years.

Good, and I hope those individuals were prosecuted. But if their cases were dropped because of the colour of their skin, that's news. I'm sorry you don't understand.

[Shwa]

Wrong. It's been covered on other networks. Stop trying to deflect the substance of the story towards your boogey man Fox News.

There is no substance to the story. The MLB All-Star game is more important.

Good, and I hope those individuals were prosecuted. But if their cases were dropped because of the colour of their skin, that's news. I'm sorry you don't understand.

You mean IF there was any prosecution. You are one of those that needs to crack open a history book and develop a sense of background.

[Shady]

There is no substance to the story.

A DOJ attorney resigns over the refusal of the department to prosecute because of race. Yep, no substance there.

You mean IF there was any prosecution. You are one of those that needs to crack open a history book and develop a sense of background.

I wasn't aware that the 'two wrongs make a right' argument was valid past the age of 5.

[lictor616]

For instance? You seem to be better at shouting slogans than providing evidence.

And you seem better suited arguing at rabble.ca with "fellowtravellers"

[lictor616]

You are one of those that needs to crack open a history book and develop a sense of background.

you desperately need to do that yourself... You know chinese coolies in Canada and the states were also slaves and were furthermore treated abhorrently by whites AND their former chinese motherland. In fact a summary of the rich and ancient history of China is an account of human cruelty that far exceeds what sub saharan africans ever suffered.

Conspicuously, Asians are free of the special problems that plague blacks EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD... In fact Asians are better behaved then WHITES even.

ANd to be fair, how do you expect us to take you seriously when the only people affected by black slavery are descendants of balck salves living in the US... and so this cannot apply to blacks IN the UK for instance (which are again at the lower echelon of society, and plagued with crime and inefficiency) or blacks in Canada, most of them have historically absolutely no contact with Jim Crow or the rest of the litany of BS that liberals use to pathetically excuse the atrocity of black criminality.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Conspicuously, Asians are free of the special problems that plague blacks EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD... In fact Asians are better behaved then WHITES even.

Yes and no....some Asians (e.g. Hmong) do experience many of the socio-economic ills of class and "race" in western settings but have stronger cultural underpinnings as resources to survive and thrive when faced with adversity. By and large, they have not been debilitated by liberal do-gooders telling them they can never succeed without another government program.

Barriers to Asian voting in Canada or the USA are well documented...from head taxes to outright bans. Limited property rights and zoning also limited Asian access to basic political and economic development, but theirs was never a sustained mindset of victimhood co-opted by "white" political and social frameworks for change.

[M.Dancer]

Yes and no....some Asians (e.g. Hmong) do experience many of the socio-economic ills of class and "race" in western settings...

GET OFF OF MY LAWN!

[lictor616]

Yes and no....some Asians (e.g. Hmong) do experience many of the socio-economic ills of class and "race" in western settings but have stronger cultural underpinnings as resources to survive and thrive when faced with adversity. By and large, they have not been debilitated by liberal do-gooders telling them they can never succeed without another government program.

Barriers to Asian voting in Canada or the USA are well documented...from head taxes to outright bans. Limited property rights and zoning also limited Asian access to basic political and economic development, but theirs was never a sustained mindset of victimhood co-opted by "white" political and social frameworks for change.

Asians are vastly more productive then blacks, and are easily capable of adapting constructively EVEN if they lack language skills. Asians however do milk the system, and also sometimes play the game to get access to affirmative action (even if they are more employed then whites on average).

Most of the asians laugh at the nonsensical nature of ethnopolitics in Canada, many chuckle inwardly when they see our own shyster liberals beating their breasts with the mindless emotionalism of a banshee over racism... and then open their wallets to PAY for being white...

[bush_cheney2004]

Asians are vastly more productive then blacks, and are easily capable of adapting constructively EVEN if they lack language skills. Asians however do milk the system, and also sometimes play the game to get access to affirmative action (even if they are more employed then whites on average).

Productivity by "race" or ethnicity remains to be demonstrated. Productivity by country has been demonstrated, with the USA being more productive than Canada. Draw from that what you will.

Most of the asians laugh at the nonsensical nature of ethnopolitics in Canada, many chuckle inwardly when they see our own shyster liberals beating their breasts with the mindless emotionalism of a banshee over racism... and then open their wallets to PAY for being white...

Liberals do not do this so much out of guilt, but rather as the basis for political power.

[Shwa]

A DOJ attorney resigns over the refusal of the department to prosecute because of race. Yep, no substance there.

Big deal. As if DOJ attorney's don't resign for all kinds of reasons. For all we know he had some sort of endorsement deal with the hysterical Tea Party gang. If this is an issue in 6 months, even 3 months, then you can call it substantial. Until then a mere curiousity...

I wasn't aware that the 'two wrongs make a right' argument was valid past the age of 5.

The issue isn't about making two wrongs right, it is about comprehending the background to why this is even thought of as something even remotely worthy of serious attention in these times. I can see why it would be for someone like you though, so no worries there.