Jack Weber Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 I see another vacation.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) so you admit with your ice cream analogy that races are different and hecne not equal? very well, You wish...no such thing as race...in Canada you call it "Multicuturalism"...the USA had that over 100 years prior but it wasn't Trudeau political schtick, it was survival and nation buiding. Edited July 10, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 I see another vacation.... whoopsies! whiffy 11? can't receive what you dish out? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 You wish...no such thing as race...in Canada you call it "Multicuturalism"...the USA had that over 100 years prior but it wasn't Trudeau political schtick, it was survival and nation buiding. different flavors... its a bit difficult to be different and ""equal and the same" all at once, it takes a lot of doublethink to pull that one off. The USA had European read all vanilla multiRACIALISM.. not multi "CULTURAL-ISM"... the melting pot is not a SALAD BOWL. And who would dream to pride themselves of such a monumental failure as multiculturalism? Such a log rolling, destructive and silly proposition that the more vastly different cultures there are in a country... the greater the "strength"... that is transparent hogwash Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 (edited) different flavors... its a bit difficult to be different and ""equal and the same" all at once, it takes a lot of doublethink to pull that one off. "Equal" has social and political context....is a dead "white" man equal to a live one? The USA had European read all vanilla multiRACIALISM.. not multi "CULTURAL-ISM"... the melting pot is not a SALAD BOWL. Nope...USA had it all...and it wasn't all immigration....more dimensions than Canada. That's what got the party started...how do you like us now? 305,000,001....305,000,002....305,000,003... And who would dream to pride themselves of such a monumental failure as multiculturalism? Such a log rolling, destructive and silly proposition that the more vastly different cultures there are in a country... the greater the "strength"... that is transparent hogwash So who is watching syndicated Chinese sit-coms around the world? Edited July 11, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bloodyminded Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 OH! and you blame right wingers for the war in the Middle East, which was engineered by that lefty hero: bill Clinton, and inaugurated by George the Socialist (no child left behind act, amnesty to illegals) spendthirft president... that for some reason is called a "conservative"! The gall! No I don't. The only gall expressed here is yours, in inventing my own positions for me. Ones that I do not hold and have never expressed. Not once. I do not "blame right wingers" for "the war [sic] in the middle East." this is the kind of doublethink, and barefaced lying we've all come to expect of do-gooder Marxists like bloodyminded I'm not a Marxist. I say this not defensively, but simply to educate you. You really should stop concocting positions for those who disagree with you. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
lictor616 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 So who is watching syndicated Chinese sit-coms around the world? ah I see, sitcoms are a measure of a countries geopolitical strength now... btw every most TV shows are directed by jews... how is that a sign of "diversity providing a strength"?... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 No I don't. The only gall expressed here is yours, in inventing my own positions for me. Ones that I do not hold and have never expressed. Not once. I do not "blame right wingers" for "the war [sic] in the middle East." i'll quote you: "The right wing propaganda source is trying to instill more fear in their white suburban audience. They go after Blacks and Latinos before going back to beating the drum for supporting foreign wars to fight the Arabs." Now I don't know about you, but that sounds like your blaming right wingers as the only supporters of that war. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 I'm not a Marxist. I say this not defensively, but simply to educate you. I'm sorry bloddyminded, but I go by the logic that if it reasons like a marxist, if it quotes left wing sources, if it gives the same flawed logic and pathetic apologies for communism: such as: "oh what happened in Russia wasn't -really- communism" its probably a marxist. or at the very least a socialist... correction you're a hybrid: marxist, socialist, communist... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bloodyminded Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 i'll quote you: "The right wing propaganda source is trying to instill more fear in their white suburban audience. They go after Blacks and Latinos before going back to beating the drum for supporting foreign wars to fight the Arabs." Now I don't know about you, but that sounds like your blaming right wingers as the only supporters of that war. Whether it sounds that way or not, those are not my words. You've confused me with another poster. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 ah I see, sitcoms are a measure of a countries geopolitical strength now... No, it is a measure of your false monolithic and racial characterization of "strength". btw every most TV shows are directed by jews... how is that a sign of "diversity providing a strength"?... ...even the Chinese shows? Amazing! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kimmy Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 Actually,the Confederate "bubbas" already did this very thing(and alot more),with the medies full consent in some places... Check out the violence perpetrated on blacks from the years 1865 to 1876....All quietly orchestrated by the defeated neo-Confederates from behing the scenes.. Holy shit, Jack, this was happening in 1870 and FOX News and the right-wing blogosphere just turned a blind eye?! Hypocrites!! Fox doesn't send their bubble-head blondes in to cover stories of Republican voter fraud I love how the left deplores seeing people attacked based on their appearance... except when it's people they don't like. I didn't "excuse the situation," and I suggest to you it's not my fault how you misread me. I posted a response to another post; and by the way, Kimmy said nothing about prosecuting criminals either, so by your logic, she must oppose prosecuting them. Well, I did, actually... One suspects that had white "bubbas" in Confederacy t-shirts carrying baseball bats shown up around poling stations to heckle black voters, the media reaction-- and legal response-- would have been quite different. ...and I think we all recognize that the Justice Department would have handled this a lot differently in the case of the aforementioned "bubbas". They didn't just refuse to press charges, they actually vacated a summary judgment that had already been won against one of the accused. Do you think our hypothetical "bubba" would have got off the hook just by agreeing to not stand outside polling stations with his baseball bat on voting day in 2010? Do you think that decision to drop further proceedings against these people is questionable, especially in light of the DOJ lawyer's alleged comment that "I didn't take this job to prosecute black people"? Does that seem like an attitude consistent with the rule of law? Do you think this would have been handled the same for our hypothetical "bubbas"? I don't. I think there would be prosecutors jumping all over each other to further their careers by dealing with these hypothetical bubbas, Duke Lacrosse style. I think it would have become a national media cause celebre, Duke Lacrosse style. Here's an analogy of my view: 1. A young man, growing up in a chamber-horror household of abuse and neglect and hatred, thanks to generations of oppression among his people, commits a murder. Should he be prosecuted? Yes. He should be prosecuted. 2. A young man, growing up in a comfortable environment, and with real opportunity for success, has become corrupted by a sense of entitlement and power, and commits some murders; further, until quite recently, his type had been offered near-immunity for such behaviours, because in fact the type of people he has been murdering have historically been considered less improtant in a societal/legal/cultural institutionalized way. Should he be prosecuted? Yes, he should. Good...so far, I'd wager, we're in agreement. I'm not so sure. Sure, they should both be prosecuted, but you're not just asking for that. You're also asking us to view these two guys differently. You seek to rationalize the first guy's conduct in terms of historical injustice and unfortunate family circumstances without explaining what he actually did. It's "thanks to" his terrible that his environment that he did what he did, although we don't actually know what he did or how it relates to his terrible past. You seek to demonize the second guy's conduct by mentioning his apparent privilege and fortunate circumstances, without any explanation of what he did or how that relates to his privileged background. Suppose the first guy committed a sadistic murder-rape, and the second guy committed these murders during a brawl. Am I still feel sorry for the first guy and contempt for the second guy? Where we disagree is to say that both situations are precisely the same. That's a joke. Is it a joke that this issue received coverage on just one network? Do you think it's a joke that the Department of Justice handling of this issue is being questioned? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 (edited) Holy shit, Jack, this was happening in 1870 and FOX News and the right-wing blogosphere just turned a blind eye?! Hypocrites!! -k My point,kimmster,is historical context...The Black Panther movement did'nt/does'nt happen in a 21st century vacuum.The seeds of that level of racial prejudice comes from a long time ago.The very actions(intimidation and murder) of the Confederates in the post Civil War Reconstruction period directly resulted in the Jim Crow laws that essentially kept ostensibly free people in virtual bondage(if not actual bondage).This resulted in the economic disenfranchisement of a few generations...Almost 100 years,actually...It was'nt until the mid 60's that the Voting Rights Act and the sweeping Civil Rights legislation came into being. The Black Panther Party was originally a direct response to police brutality in Oakland,California in the mid-'60's,but it could be easily argued that they are a result of the militancy that grew out of the lengthy(and sanctioned) mistreatment of blacks by people in authority at that time.I can't say I agree with thier message,or methods...Klanlike behaviour from anyone is deplorable from anyone... However,it would be nice if the "Fair and Balanced" folks at Fox would actually delve into the subject matter instead of doing thier NeoCon drive by bumper sticker "investigative" reporting.A few nutter Black supremecists are just as nutty as a few hooded Klansmen...Do they deserve this response from anyone who is in control of their faculties?Or is this just more "investigative" red meat for the Fox loving ideologues? Edited July 11, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) My point,kimmster,is historical context...The Black Panther movement did'nt/does'nt happen in a 21st century vacuum.The seeds of that level of racial prejudice comes from a long time ago.The very actions(intimidation and murder) of the Confederates in the post Civil War Reconstruction period directly resulted in the Jim Crow laws that essentially kept ostensibly free people in virtual bondage(if not actual bondage).This resulted in the economic disenfranchisement of a few generations...Almost 100 years,actually...It was'nt until the mid 60's that the Voting Rights Act and the sweeping Civil Rights legislation came into being. ah yes and diversity is still a strength! just a question when do blacks finally get to stop making excuses for their generally unacceptable behavior? Why always wind the clock 100+ years ago to explain why they loot, rape, kill, and generally behave like feral children TODAY? How many years will we still have to compensate this race? Will my children have to bear this cross too? and learn to accept that blacks are a special class of citizens, so special that its illegal to say bad words to them, illegal to deny hiring them etc? Oh and of course they have to maintain that we're equal despite all this... Edited July 12, 2010 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 ...even the Chinese shows? Amazing! we were clearly talking of american sitcoms... but hey you want to obfuscate the argument... wait what argument? why even bother responding? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 However,it would be nice if the "Fair and Balanced" folks at Fox would actually delve into the subject matter instead of doing thier NeoCon drive by bumper sticker "investigative" reporting.A few nutter Black supremecists are just as nutty as a few hooded Klansmen...Do they deserve this response from anyone who is in control of their faculties?Or is this just more "investigative" red meat for the Fox loving ideologues? the nation of Islam is a 2-3 million strong and receive handouts from the gvt. Aztlan is a million strong, La Raza is 2 million strong. there are countless other racist organizations such as the black panthers, even some crime syndicates, the bloods the crypts, the vice lords... thats millions more the KKK represents about 1000 members, disorganized, disbanded and closely followed by law enforcement. but that to you is an equal threat? other then that, can you really speak of a white advocacy organization that numbers millions of active members and chapters? of course not... .despite the fact that whites are a numerical majority.... kind of amazing no? how fair and balanced of you to leave this out... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 ...there are countless other racist organizations such as the black panthers, even some crime syndicates, the bloods the crypts, the vice lords... thats millions more LOL! It's "Crips"...not "Crypts". Try to watch American media with more precision! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 LOL! It's "Crips"...not "Crypts". Try to watch American media with more precision! yes i just caught that, I should have been typing phonetically... good point BC Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Shady Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 My point,kimmster,is historical context It doesn't matter. They broke the law. The Black Panther movement did'nt/does'nt happen in a 21st century vacuum. It doesn't matter. They broke the law. The seeds of that level of racial prejudice comes from a long time ago. It doesn't matter. They broke the law. The Black Panther Party was originally a direct response to police brutality in Oakland,California in the mid-'60's It doesn't matter. They broke the law. However,it would be nice if the "Fair and Balanced" folks at Fox would actually delve into the subject matter instead of doing thier NeoCon drive by bumper sticker "investigative" reporting. The reason this is a story isn't because of evil Fox News. It's because the DOJ dropped it's prosecution of these particular individuals who broke the law, simply because they're black. Everything you've said DOESN'T MATTER. They broke the law. A few nutter Black supremecists are just as nutty as a few hooded Klansmen Yep. And if the DOJ dropped it's prosecution of a klansman because of their skin colour, then it would/should be news as well. Why? Because they broke the law. Quote
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 My point,kimmster,is historical context...The Black Panther movement did'nt/does'nt happen in a 21st century vacuum.The seeds of that level of racial prejudice comes from a long time ago.The very actions(intimidation and murder) of the Confederates in the post Civil War Reconstruction period directly resulted in the Jim Crow laws that essentially kept ostensibly free people in virtual bondage(if not actual bondage).This resulted in the economic disenfranchisement of a few generations...Almost 100 years,actually...It was'nt until the mid 60's that the Voting Rights Act and the sweeping Civil Rights legislation came into being. The Black Panther Party was originally a direct response to police brutality in Oakland,California in the mid-'60's,but it could be easily argued that they are a result of the militancy that grew out of the lengthy(and sanctioned) mistreatment of blacks by people in authority at that time.I can't say I agree with thier message,or methods...Klanlike behaviour from anyone is deplorable from anyone... However,it would be nice if the "Fair and Balanced" folks at Fox would actually delve into the subject matter instead of doing thier NeoCon drive by bumper sticker "investigative" reporting.A few nutter Black supremecists are just as nutty as a few hooded Klansmen...Do they deserve this response from anyone who is in control of their faculties?Or is this just more "investigative" red meat for the Fox loving ideologues? why not spare us the lengthy predictable circumlocution? Why just plainly state that you think certain laws shouldn't apply to certain races? Anyone with half a brain can invert the races mentioned and instantly see the SICKENING double standard. No need for sophistic verbiage and sleazy word twisting! If a black dude breaks the law, then we have to act like we're stepping on eggshells and avoid at all cost any prosecution of these poor dears. A white person does the same thing, and he's a vile racist hater... and we should give him a maximum sentence and tack up a hate crime charge for good measure. That's the reality, you know it, I know it and I know that you know that I know that's what you think. Oh and the DOJ says blatantly that it doesn't like prosecuting blacks but clowns like you still maintain that there is some invisible institutional racism holding blacks down! The hypocrisy couldn't be more dramatic, and quite frankly why not just admit that you're a racist yourself weber? stop making excuses for people on the account of their race. The law shouldn't take race into consideration, and the purpose of the having a legal system to imprison criminals is TO PUNISH OFFENDERS FOR THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS... not to coddle blacks for their inglorious past, 8 generations ago... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) ....stop making excuses for people on the account of their race. The law shouldn't take race into consideration, and the purpose of the having a legal system to imprison criminals is TO PUNISH OFFENDERS FOR THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS... not to coddle blacks for their inglorious past, 8 generations ago... Good news for you then...more than 2,000,000 incarcerated and that includes plenty of "black" folk. Edited July 12, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Jack Weber Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 Good news for you then...more than 2,000,000 incarcerated and that includes plenty of "black" folk. I'm in the extremely distasteful position of agreeing with you when dealing with are resident Dr.Mengele... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 I'm in the extremely distasteful position of agreeing with you when dealing with are resident Dr.Mengele... ....but you aren't even suppose to be reading my posts! LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Jack Weber Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) ....but you aren't even suppose to be reading my posts! LOL! As a rule.....I don't...But in this case,dealing with a self absorbed pseudointellectual bigot requires a suspension of the rules I impose on myself... Edited July 12, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Posted July 12, 2010 Good news for you then...more than 2,000,000 incarcerated and that includes plenty of "black" folk. because they break the law at outrageously high rates, as they do everywhere and at all times all over the world. There'd be a lot more too if policing wasn't such a politically correct clusterf***. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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