GostHacked Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 Um... Self-contradictory much? My bad. I meant to say the legislation was not debated on. it was voted on and passed without much fuss. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/25/g20-new-powers.html The new powers took effect Monday and apply along the border of the G20 security fence that encircles a portion of the downtown core. This area — the so-called red zone — includes the Metro Toronto Convention Centre, where delegates will meet. The new regulations effectively expand the jurisdiction of the existing Public Works Act to apply to high-security areas of the summit site.-- Ontario's cabinet quietly passed the new rules on June 2 without legislature debate. http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/29/police-given-no-special-powers-during-g20-province/ The Ontario government says police were never granted special powers to detain and arrest people who came within five metres of the G20 security perimeter. So wait, no special powers were given. So there really was no legislation in the first place. “The Ontario government did not pass a secret law that gave police additional power to arrest people during the G20 Summit in Toronto,” said Laura Blondeau, a spokeswoman for Community Safety Minister Rick Bartolucci. Anyone else see something severely wrong here? Quote
madmax Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 I dunno. If I was walking down a street minding my own business and a bunch of cops ran across the street in front of me and refused to let me pass - then another bunch of cops ran across the street behind me and refused to let me go back, and I had to stand there in the rain for four hours I think ... Hold that thought Argus..... Argus detained for four hours in the rain... Ok carry on...... Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 This whole post is assinine. I especially find the comment about the press telling. Journalists are there to cover the news, with proper accredation, they should not have been rounded up with everyone else. You would be happy to live in a country with absolutely no freedoms wouldn't you. Where were you in jail again tough guy? Mr.Canada is now Mr.Falange... Yesterday,he admitted that Canada shoul change its constitution and that we need someone like Generalissimo Francisco Franco as PM... So the answer to your last sentence is a resounding "YES!"... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Argus Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 Hold that thought Argus..... Argus detained for four hours in the rain... Ok carry on...... Well, the good news is that as it was a work day I would have been paid anyway. ;-P Because I'm like, a valued public servant. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 Some interesting videos Protesters surrounded, no where to do. one by one, taken out of the group and arrested. Location no where near the fence. You hear the police "get back, get back" and 'go home', where are they to go when completely surrounded? If this does not piss you off, you are not paying attention. Quote
Topaz Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 What Chief Blair kept saying was, they asked people to leave and if they didn't then what ever happened happened. He said he knew there were people there just looking but it made the cops job more difficult. As fas as the journalist go, the law overrode them, even thought the cops knew they were thre to report. Of course, maybe that why they did it too. Quote
dre Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 Some interesting videos Protesters surrounded, no where to do. one by one, taken out of the group and arrested. Location no where near the fence. You hear the police "get back, get back" and 'go home', where are they to go when completely surrounded? If this does not piss you off, you are not paying attention. Holy fuck... that is utterly retarded. What a piece of shit country we are becoming. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
myata Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 So are we going to see anybody from that black masked crowd arrested and stand trial? From a commentary I heard yesterdays justifying police act, it could be "very challenging", but I remain hopeful. Failure to see that may spawn some nasty conspiracy theories. Like such an perfectly obvious need for greater security, fully justifying 900 million and some. I thought for a minute that that money buy us something like protection of venue and property against vandals at the same time with allowing legitimate peaceful protest, but no, it's still one or the other (no protection or no protest.. plus one billion price tag regardless). Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
GostHacked Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 Holy fuck... that is utterly retarded. What a piece of shit country we are becoming. I could feel my face getting red just watching this. I mean, it's a very sad state when this happens. Standing on guard for thee. Ironic is it not. Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 I could feel my face getting red just watching this. I mean, it's a very sad state when this happens. Standing on guard for thee. Ironic is it not. Made me chuckle....notice though they let them finish murdering the amthem before they moved forward? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
GostHacked Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 Made me chuckle....notice though they let them finish murdering the amthem before they moved forward? This does not make you angry in any way shape or form? Do you not see anything wrong with how the cops corralled those people, cornered them while telling them to go home? There is also much contradictions in the police powers, that we find out now NEVER EXISTED. Again if this is not making you angry or at least think 'something is not right here', then you are not paying attention, or part of the problem. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 This one is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl_yUR8MNMM Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Shakeyhands Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 Those are pretty disturbing videos. I can see absolutely no justification for what was done to those people. Telling them to go home while they are completely surrounded was ridiculous. I've actually lost respect for the police. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Bryan Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 This does not make you angry in any way shape or form? No. Cops have a very difficult job to do, dealing with all kinds of crap. Riots and burning cars have already resulted from these "peaceful protests". Stay home. Choose to go down there and get cute, and you deserve whatever happens to you. Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 This does not make you angry in any way shape or form? Do you not see anything wrong with how the cops corralled those people, cornered them while telling them to go home? There is also much contradictions in the police powers, that we find out now NEVER EXISTED. Again if this is not making you angry or at least think 'something is not right here', then you are not paying attention, or part of the problem. I'm sure there are more options than a or b, but if not, I will take part of the problem. The police did a fairly good job, not perfect mind you...letting thuigs burn your cars isn't good...and they should have targetted the black bloc yobs a bit more aggressively....I undertsand there were very few injuries and quite frankly there should have been a few who should have been shot with bean bags or bird shot. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bjre Posted June 29, 2010 Author Report Posted June 29, 2010 (edited) I'm sure there are more options than a or b, but if not, I will take part of the problem. The police did a fairly good job, not perfect mind you...letting thuigs burn your cars isn't good...and they should have targetted the black bloc yobs a bit more aggressively....I undertsand there were very few injuries and quite frankly there should have been a few who should have been shot with bean bags or bird shot. The fact is when the cops see the thugs, they did not box them, they did not box the Yonge street when thug were there destroying property, they say the are monitoring them. They choose to box and attack peaceful protesters and journalists and other innocent people who happen to be there. Made me chuckle....notice though they let them finish murdering the amthem before they moved forward? The cops were not there when someone burn the cars and smashing windows. Edited June 29, 2010 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
wyly Posted June 29, 2010 Report Posted June 29, 2010 The fact is when the cops see the thugs, they did not box them, they did not box the Yonge street when thug were there destroying property, they say the are monitoring them. They choose to box and attack peaceful protesters and journalists and other innocent people who happen to be there. The cops were not there when someone burn the cars and smashing windows. yup...when the anarchists were busy causing senseless damage where were those tens of thousands of police? what did a billion $ buy us? besides a fake lake.... then when there were no anarchists they arrest anyone and everyone, WTF!... civil liberties cannot be ignored to prevent something that may happen, it's a slippery slope once we head down that road and that becomes acceptable...next we'll having cops arresting everyone driving a car after 7PM just in case they were planning to drink and drive....when we allow the police to open that door how do we close it? and the anarchists, what the hell is their point? when some organization protests aren't we supposed to know what their issues are?... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bjre Posted June 29, 2010 Author Report Posted June 29, 2010 (edited) and the anarchists, what the hell is their point? when some organization protests aren't we supposed to know what their issues are?... To give a reason for the $1 billion. That is the best reason I guess. Edited June 29, 2010 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Bonam Posted June 30, 2010 Report Posted June 30, 2010 and the anarchists, what the hell is their point? when some organization protests aren't we supposed to know what their issues are?... They have no point. Just ignorant savages rampaging through our streets. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted June 30, 2010 Report Posted June 30, 2010 (edited) Telling them to go home while they are completely surrounded was ridiculous. I've actually lost respect for the police. I've lost a lot of respect with the Dziekanski trial, and the most recent judges report. To say that a police officers' word is factual evidence only makes a mockery of the legal system. But there are some good cops. Like the young guy in the movie "Training Day" Edited June 30, 2010 by Sir Bandelot Quote
bjre Posted June 30, 2010 Author Report Posted June 30, 2010 (edited) I've lost a lot of respect with the Dziekanski trial, and the most recent judges report. To say that a police officers' word is factual evidence only makes a mockery of the legal system. But there are some good cops. Like the young guy in the movie "Training Day" It does not make too large difference whether cops are "good" or "not". They are machines of state. There are always people who want to take that job and work for their boss. Even there are some "good guy" among the hundreds in the Queen and Spadina can not prevent the mass arrest there from happening. Their boss decide that, the politicians decided that. The laws decided that. In the following video, I think the cops were just doing something their boss wanted them to do. Edited June 30, 2010 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Shwa Posted June 30, 2010 Report Posted June 30, 2010 This has become quite a popular topic in local news, especially in Toronto. The Star. Sun, City - are full of stories about the abuses, the conflicts, the boxing-ins, the rumours, etc., etc. In fact, so much news has been generated, I am betting there will be enough for quite sometime. As the major producer of news, the "government" has done quite a job here. And dragging Dziekanski into it - nice touch because, you know, these are signs of an impending totalitarian regime. If you want to demonstrate human rights and freedom, I challenge anyone on this forum to bust into the any ruling political leaders office during business hours and protest. You have freedom of association and the freedom to protest right? Gather in the PM's office and stage a peaceful protest. The sit-ins of yore. Be sure to wear flowers in your hair to look nice on TV as the police drag you out whether you like it or not. Oh, they will ask you to leave first of course. They always do. Fact of the matter is, there have been hundreds, if not thousands of peaceful, organized and topical protests all over Canada these past few decades without much ado. Where was the police brutality when the Tamil protesters were closing down city streets in Toronto last year? What about all the mayhem when the so-called First Nations marched on Friday? What about all the other protests, shout outs, demonstrations and CAW picnics in the rest of the country. As if... As if what happens in a few blocks of downtown Toronto - the Centre of the Universe we say - defines rights and freedoms in Canada. Much ado about nothing. One thing is clear - if you were looking for trouble on Saturday or Sunday, you have the right to look for it and the freedom to be a willing participant in what the police response was more or less clearly made out to be. Most got what they wished for. Did anyone really think that it would be all peace and cinnamon, incense and butterflys? Did anyone take notice of that fence? They could have gathered in Missy or Markham or taken to the streets in Ajax. But that wouldn't be good news would it? CityTV would have wanted them to have a violent demonstration at Younge & Dundas Square. Imagine the ratings! For all the money they generated - the billion dollar security stimulus, the insurance laundering, the advertising, the sensationalism - all that news - the so-called Black Bloc should have been on the payroll. And I am not convinced they weren't. Quote
Army Guy Posted June 30, 2010 Report Posted June 30, 2010 Nice post Shwa. i think you've express it better than anyone else . A whole lot of fuss over nothing at all... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bjre Posted June 30, 2010 Author Report Posted June 30, 2010 For all the money they generated - the billion dollar security stimulus, the insurance laundering, the advertising, the sensationalism - all that news - the so-called Black Bloc should have been on the payroll. And I am not convinced they weren't. Black Bloc will never pay for it. Tax payers pay it. For protection. I've heard of a story of Sicilian Mafia. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Shakeyhands Posted June 30, 2010 Report Posted June 30, 2010 I've lost a lot of respect with the Dziekanski trial, and the most recent judges report. To say that a police officers' word is factual evidence only makes a mockery of the legal system. But there are some good cops. Like the young guy in the movie "Training Day" Of course not all are bad, but in a lot of the clips we've seen, the police have violated the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So far in these clips I have seen infringments on Sections 2, 7, 8, 10, 12, and 15 of the CCRF. I hope that all those who were affected file complaints. And when they do, we can all be glad that they were willing to stand up for us. Let's not forget that these are fundemental rights that those before us have fought for, we certainly shouldn't roll over and just accept it. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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