Senior NDPer denies Israel's right to exist

[dre]

I think if there is anything to face it is you are a goof......

Lets see some proof...or is that asking to much of a goof?

Woot ... Here comes the ad-homs

Thats 7003. Keep up the good work.

[bush_cheney2004]

17000 is an estimate based on your post count, and the fact the vast majority of your posts are about this topic. Lets face it dude...

Nonsense....the vast majority of Dancer's posts are not about any single topic. Rookies!

[M.Dancer]

Please stop rhyming...You sound like Johnny Cochrane or Jesse Jackson...

The count don't fit 'cause it was cited by a twit.

[M.Dancer]

Woot ... Here comes the ad-homs

Thats 7003. Keep up the good work.

The ad homs started here Nancy...

No its false because its based on an assumption and subjective judgement which is influenced by your career as a zealous and unconditional Israel supporter, your roughly 17 thousand posts on that topic, and your natural predisposition to take a negative view of anybody who's critical of any Israeli policy.

This paradigm causes you to ignore statements by her calling for a "two state solution" which clearly compromises the narrative you invented that characterizes this women as someone who thinks Israel should not be allowed to exist, and focus on this one statement which she claims was a mistake and has retracted.

Then when people dont buy your half-baked narrative based on assumptions and cherry picking its THEM that are logically challenged

[Jack Weber]

The count don't fit 'cause it was cited by a twit.

[naomiglover]

There is no way a post fact investigation could conclude one way or another that the Israelis used it illegally simply because targets are mobile...and as far as the Goldstone inquisition, if it was printed on two ply, I would have use for it.

You don't think murder investigators cannot determine who has killed the victim without having been there to witness the murder? What a silly argument you're making.

Besides all the eyewitnesses and the physical evidence of Israel using WP on civilians, there are also videos and photo evidence. Here is a series of photos I found from one quick search. Link

You are one of the most dishonest people on this forum. You have so little integrity. Even when someone calls you on your bullshit, you continue to try to cover up your lie. Shame on you.

[M.Dancer]

You don't think murder investigators cannot determine who has killed the victim without having been there to witness the murder? What a silly argument you're making.

I don't think investigators start an investigation with the conclusions already decided....

Kind of you to allow me to point out that uncomfortable fact.

Besides all the eyewitnesses and the physical evidence of Israel using WP on civilians,

Physical evidence collected and handed over to the inquisition by hamas

You are one of the most dishonest people on this forum. You have so little integrity. Even when someone calls you on your bullshit, you continue to try to cover up your lie. Shame on you.

What ever you say Libby...

[Jack Weber]

Libby might be in Toronto this week end reaching for the rainbow,as it were...

Perhaps you could have a chat with her?

You might want to check in on Mr.Falange(Mr.Canada) and his movie set,as well?

[kimmy]

It's ridiculous to claim that most of Dancer's posts are about Israel. He has a wide and varied history of contribution to this forum. For example, at least 5000 of Morris's posts are about pussy.

-k

[M.Dancer]

For example, at least 5000 of Morris's posts are about pussy.

-k

I love you and your stupid cat.

[Jack Weber]

It's ridiculous to claim that most of Dancer's posts are about Israel. He has a wide and varied history of contribution to this forum. For example, at least 5000 of Morris's posts are about pussy.

-k

Mine are about chicks,in general...The parts of which depend on my mood that day...

By the way,were you the one who complained about my previous photo?

By the wording of the post above,I think not..

Edited July 1, 2010 by Jack Weber

[Mr.Canada]

I posted about this over a year ago. Something like 86% of the NDP caucus denies Israels right to exist.

So I wonder if "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" would ring true here. I think it does because many of the NDP also supports Hamas in Palestine. Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel.

I wonder why they don't make some TV spots about these views they have. I'm sure Canadians would be interested.

[ToadBrother]

I posted about this over a year ago. Something like 86% of the NDP caucus denies Israels right to exist.

I think you should provide the citations for that. Frankly, I don't believe you. Many probably are anti-settlement and tend to demonize Israel, but again, that's not the same as denying Israel's right to exist.

[Mr.Canada]

I think you should provide the citations for that. Frankly, I don't believe you. Many probably are anti-settlement and tend to demonize Israel, but again, that's not the same as denying Israel's right to exist.

NDP supports Hamas and Hamas denies Israels right to exist. Simple enough.

[GostHacked]

NDP supports Hamas and Hamas denies Israels right to exist. Simple enough.

I am sure you can back that up with a link or two.

[ToadBrother]

NDP supports Hamas and Hamas denies Israels right to exist. Simple enough.

Making crap up doesn't help you. Like I said, many NDPers seem to buy into the Palestinian argument to the extent that they tend to favor Palestinians over Israelies, but to extend that to saying they support Hamas is ludicrous. Your argument is faulty and prejudicial.

[Jack Weber]

Making crap up doesn't help you. Like I said, many NDPers seem to buy into the Palestinian argument to the extent that they tend to favor Palestinians over Israelies, but to extend that to saying they support Hamas is ludicrous. Your argument is faulty and prejudicial.

His is the opinion of a two dimensional Fascist...

Have you seen his theories on a Canadian Tea Party Movement fomenting a civil war AND his hope and admiration for a Francoesque Fascist dictatorship in Canada?

[jefferiah]

Honestly the worlds of Tommy Douglas come to mind here

The same Tommy Douglas who advocated sterilization of the mentally defective?

[naomiglover]

Mr. Canada is the Stephen Colbert of this forum.

He must be showing the ridiculousness of the Israeli apologists' comments. Comments from people like Dancer, Bonam and jbg.

[ToadBrother]

Mr. Canada is the Stephen Colbert of this forum.

Now what did Colbert deserve that?

He must be showing the ridiculousness of the Israeli apologists' comments. Comments from people like Dancer, Bonam and jbg.

No, he's a moron, and you're a shameless Israeli hater. Still waiting for you to start demanding the return of the Kurals to Japan, Bohemia to Austria and Danzig to Germany.

[Bortron]

I am not a racist; I date women of varying ethnicities, and I have Jewish friends, but what I'm going to say here will probably be considered anti-semitic, and therefore racist or bigoted by most supporters of Israel. That is one of their tactics; they have shamelessly exploited the Holocaust since 1948 so now any criticism of Israel makes you a bigot and therefore it is unwise for our politicians to ever publicly condemn Israels actions with anything more than toothless token statements about dismantling settlements. The demise of Israel is inevitable. They have created the instruments of there own demise through this misguided attempt to reestablish their ancient homeland. It may take 20 more years or 50 or 100 but Israel will cease to exist some day, and no matter how long it takes the Palestinians will hate them for much longer then that. We are complacent in Canada; the idea of foreign armies bulldozing are homes is hard for us to imagine but that's exactly what Israel has done to these people. They need to stop playing the victim and take responsibility for their crimes. The one and only solution to this problem is for them to return to their countries of origin or to move to whatever countries will have them. The Palestinians population is increasing much faster then the Israeli's; in fact I believe the Israeli population is actually decreasing. This isn't a sustainable situation. My ancestors immigrated from France and Scotland, I find it hard to imagine returning to these countries a couple thousand years latter to lay claim to my ancestral lands; the idea is absurd and so is Israel. Unfortunately this will not end peacefully because both sides are religiously polarized and history has shown us over and over again what people are capable of in the name of religion. It's a sad hopeless situation.

[bloodyminded]

The one and only solution to this problem is for them to return to their countries of origin or to move to whatever countries will have them.

That's not a solution at all. First of all, it isn't going to happen. So that's the simple practicality.

More to the point, the Israelis have every right to be there. I agree with much of the criticism of Israel, and have even been called an antisemite (though only by people who themselves are anti-semites, by their own standards, a subject for another thread); but the Jewish people are not foreigners to that land. They've been there forever. Not as a recognized state in contemporary terms--that's new--but as a people. The "return" to Israel is legitimately that.

My problems are with Israel's behaviour; but its existence will never be up for debate.

Really, I look at it this way (and I'm not being coy or smartassed, but totally, 100% serious): if the Jews should leave Israel, then this imperative should resonate much more profoundly among many other nations: very notably, Canada and the United States. Unlike the Jews, we have had no historical claim to this land, except what we have invented out of whole cloth over three or four hundred years (a blip in history, virtually nothing); and what has naturally accrued over the passage of time. And only a radical few try to assert that what was done to the Native people wasn't monumentally horrendous. (And this is not an anachronism, or Monday morning Quarterbacking, because many people recognized how horrific was the treatment even at the time.)

And yet we're not going anywhere, either.

Edited July 3, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Bortron]

My problems are with Israel's behaviour; but its existence will never be up for debate.

It's been up for debate since the end of World War 2 and it will continue to be up for debate for as long as it exists, we're debating it right now. I've read books on the topic, such as The Case for Israel (2003) by Alan Dershowitz; their arguments are unconvincing. Do you suggest that I have a right to my ancestral lands in Scotland? Or better yet the Annapolis valley in Nova Scotia? I am of Acadian descent and my people were forcibly deported from their lands only 255 years ago. Do I have the right to go there with my bulldozer and remove peoples homes? The Jews that were there before 1948 have every right to stay I am only referring to the vast majority that came from Europe that are phenotypically white Europeans, and their descendants. Then again perhaps they have the right of the conqueror as we do here in Canada and the United States. If you except the right of the conqueror then they have every right to exist and they have a right to exterminate the Palestinians much like the British did to the Natives here in Nova Scotia and other parts of North America, we even had a bounty on their scalpes. But they wont leave your 100% correct but just because they wont do something doesn't mean it wouldn't be a solution, and from where I'm standing it's the only peaceful solution. The other options all end in violence and death for millions, and if we live long enough I'm sure we'll get to witness it. Like I said it's a sad hopeless situation.

Edited July 3, 2010 by Bortron

[bush_cheney2004]

....If you except the right of the conqueror then they have every right to exist and they have a right to exterminate the Palestinians much like the British did to the Natives here in Nova Scotia and other parts of North America, we even had a bounty on their scalpes....

There are no natural "rights" to land or such exterminations, just the will and power to possess and defend against all enemies seeking same. Canada and America killed and subjugated their "PalestIndians" long ago.

[Mr.Canada]

It's been up for debate since the end of World War 2 and it will continue to be up for debate for as long as it exists, we're debating it right now. I've read books on the topic, such as The Case for Israel (2003) by Alan Dershowitz; their arguments are unconvincing. Do you suggest that I have a right to my ancestral lands in Scotland? Or better yet the Annapolis valley in Nova Scotia? I am of Acadian descent and my people were forcibly deported from their lands only 255 years ago. Do I have the right to go there with my bulldozer and remove peoples homes? The Jews that were there before 1948 have every right to stay I am only referring to the vast majority that came from Europe that are phenotypically white Europeans, and their descendants. Then again perhaps they have the right of the conqueror as we do here in Canada and the United States. If you except the right of the conqueror then they have every right to exist and they have a right to exterminate the Palestinians much like the British did to the Natives here in Nova Scotia and other parts of North America, we even had a bounty on their scalpes. But they wont leave your 100% correct but just because they wont do something doesn't mean it wouldn't be a solution, and from where I'm standing it's the only peaceful solution. The other options all end in violence and death for millions, and if we live long enough I'm sure we'll get to witness it. Like I said it's a sad hopeless situation.

I see you feel a great deal of white liberal guilt.

The Jews were kicked out(forcibly removed) of Israel over 2,000 years ago. Before the formation of Israel after the entire race was almost wiped off the face of the Earth Jews were second class citizens called Dhimmi's. Jews had next to no rights at all. I see you advocate Jew's going back to living like that.

Israel bulldozes Jewish homes in Palestinian territory more then anything else. Israel has relocated thousands of Jews and removed them from Arab lands. Please do some more research before parroting Libby and the rest of the NDP.

Israel is the the most free nation in all the middle east. The only one that allows gay pride parades annually. If you had a gay pride parade in Iran they'd all be killed, hung in public. Same goes for every other nation around Israel.

Edited July 3, 2010 by Mr.Canada