Smallc Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 Pretty sure about that are you? I am pretty sure about that. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 I am pretty sure about that. They have been trying to build some very interesting aircraft over the last number of years. Having the financial means to do so is another story. Have you seen this http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1608&catid=255 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 ...so what good is paying mega bucks for stealth technology that every nation will be able to detect... Because every nation will not be able to do so or engage even if they could. Detect this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLTEIfzVrEg&feature=related Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 Until Russia becomes part of NATO, then there is no chance you will see the Canadian Air Force flying any Russian kit. You guys can dream all you want and sing the praises to those aircraft, but we won't be using them. So no matter if they are better, they are not an option. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 All true, unless of course you do what needs to be done. What I mean by that is buy the damned production facilities outright! There is a window of opportunity here, those companies are broke and the government can't do squat about it, because they are broke as well. Quote
wyly Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 Until Russia becomes part of NATO, then there is no chance you will see the Canadian Air Force flying any Russian kit. You guys can dream all you want and sing the praises to those aircraft, but we won't be using them. So no matter if they are better, they are not an option. the US flies russian equipment...and it's irrelevant anyways, the F35 is touted to be a super plane it is not, the russians have something that is cheaper and better...the wonderful stealth technology that is desired has already been neutralized and soon every russian plane will be equipped with it, so what's the point of buying a mega expensive aircraft for an enemy we don't have and for which the only potential enemy the conservatives can dream up(russians)already have technology that renders the stealth design obsolete...if they can see the plane already we might as well buy the less expensive planes(nato built planes if you like) that will do the same job... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
GostHacked Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 the US flies russian equipment...and it's irrelevant anyways, the F35 is touted to be a super plane it is not, the russians have something that is cheaper and better...the wonderful stealth technology that is desired has already been neutralized and soon every russian plane will be equipped with it, so what's the point of buying a mega expensive aircraft for an enemy we don't have and for which the only potential enemy the conservatives can dream up(russians)already have technology that renders the stealth design obsolete...if they can see the plane already we might as well buy the less expensive planes(nato built planes if you like) that will do the same job... What is the Russian kit the US uses? The only think I can think of is the one model of Sikorsky helicopter. Which many nations use for search/rescue and hospital craft. Or are you talking about the contracted Russian corporation that operates heavy lift cargo planes the US needed to use for Afghanistan because all of the C5s were already being used to their capacity? Hopefully you can cite something for me that shows the US using Russian planes. I mean part of the regular inventory and not something contracted out. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 Sikorsky...though it is a Russian sounding name is 100% USA. I believe wyly is refering to the US leasing Antonovs to pick up the heavy lift slack. Otherwise, the only Russian gear in the US inventory is craft captured though various means. MiGs from Soviet era defectors, etc. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wyly Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 What is the Russian kit the US uses? The only think I can think of is the one model of Sikorsky helicopter. Which many nations use for search/rescue and hospital craft. Or are you talking about the contracted Russian corporation that operates heavy lift cargo planes the US needed to use for Afghanistan because all of the C5s were already being used to their capacity? Hopefully you can cite something for me that shows the US using Russian planes. I mean part of the regular inventory and not something contracted out. I'm quite sure Sikorski is an american company...they use Russian helicopters for special services branch, Russian Mi17 and Ukranian An-26and a Russian or Ukranian plane(don't recall the model) won a contract competition over US and NATO contrators with the US Air Force but politicians rejected the recomendation and ordered the bid process redone...it was refused for political reasons/jobs not quality... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 Sikorsky...though it is a Russian sounding name is 100% USA. I believe wyly is refering to the US leasing Antonovs to pick up the heavy lift slack. Otherwise, the only Russian gear in the US inventory is craft captured though various means. MiGs from Soviet era defectors, etc. so wrong, outright purchases of russian helicopters and antonov transports... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
DogOnPorch Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 I'm quite sure Sikorski is an american company...they use Russian helicopters for special services branch, Russian Mi17 and Ukranian An-26 and a Russian or Ukranian plane(don't recall the model) won a contract competition over US and NATO contrators with the US Air Force but politicians rejected the recomendation and ordered the bid process redone...it was refused for political reasons/jobs not quality... Russian helicopters were provided to the ANA due to the large stock of spare parts already in the country. You won't find them flying around Kansas. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
PIK Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 Sounds like the Sherman Tank. The only reason the tanks were a success was the numbers that were produced. However they suffered huge losses compared to the German tanks because they were inferior to the German tanks. So if a country is able to mass produce a sub-par product it has the potential to overwhelm any new fighter. Simply because of the numbers of these aircraft that will be produced. How many Cf-18s do we have in service? And will 65 F-35s be enough? Why can't we keep some F-18's and also the F-35? But buying russian or chinese, what happens with parts,alot easier buying from your nieghbour them half way around the world. And if they are pissed off at us at that time what happens. And if the liberals cancel this , how many years does that put out us behind , how much money will it cost to go thru this again to find out that is the one we need, like the helicopter. How much did it cost us when we took 20 years to replace the frigates? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
DogOnPorch Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 so wrong, outright purchases of russian helicopters and antonov transports... Can you provide a picture/video of An-124s in US Air Force markings? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wyly Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 Why can't we keep some F-18's and also the F-35? But buying russian or chinese, what happens with parts,alot easier buying from your nieghbour them half way around the world. And if they are pissed off at us at that time what happens. And if the liberals cancel this , how many years does that put out us behind , how much money will it cost to go thru this again to find out that is the one we need, like the helicopter. How much did it cost us when we took 20 years to replace the frigates? it's a business cutting off parts supply is not good for potential future sales...parts can be delivered anywhere in the world in one day...and our neighbour has cut off part sales to it's clients as well...countries like India solve the issue by attaining a license to build, so they supply their own parts and redesign the planes to their own specifications... we do have done the same, part of the manufacturing process is usually done in Canada...the same can be done with any plane be it american, french, german or russian, bombardier planes are canadian but the plane is constructed in plants in many different countries.. Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 oh the us would never buy anything but a nato aircraft... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
DogOnPorch Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 (edited) oh the us would never buy anything but a nato aircraft... You think you're pretty clever, yes? Well, you'd best check out what the mission of the 6th Special Ops is...a unit I'm quite familiar with from the Viet-Nam era. Edited October 14, 2010 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 The 6th Sp Ops @ work in Viet-Nam training SVN air force pilots how it's done while flying the T-28 Trojan. Photo: Larry Burrows. http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0302/lb16.html Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Topaz Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 More groups are coming out and saying its a bad idea for Canada. IF the Tories went ahead with this and we saw the debt increase, the first thing the Tories would say is.... its the Libs fault, they starting the ball rolling. Unless the tories increase incomes taxes after an election, there isn't going to be the tax dollars coming in because the babyboomers are retiring and every year, there's going to be less income tax revenues for the government. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101014/national/joint_strike_fighter Quote
Shakeyhands Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 (edited) Unless the tories increase incomes taxes after an election, there isn't going to be the tax dollars coming in because the babyboomers are retiring and every year, there's going to be less income tax revenues for the government. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101014/national/joint_strike_fighter Dude... seriously.... Why worry about this when we need to: 1) Kill the Long Gun Registry 2) Kill the Long Form Census 3) Throw Billion dollar parties where little to nothing is accomplished 4) Try to convince Canadians that the Leader of the Opposition is "just visiting" 5) Try to find ways to hide the real deficit 6) Fix up them darn Parliament buildings ("With a little help from our friends!!!") Edited October 14, 2010 by Shakeyhands Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Argus Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 More groups are coming out and saying its a bad idea for Canada. IF the Tories went ahead with this and we saw the debt increase, the first thing the Tories would say is.... its the Libs fault, they starting the ball rolling. Unless the tories increase incomes taxes after an election, there isn't going to be the tax dollars coming in because the babyboomers are retiring and every year, there's going to be less income tax revenues for the government. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101014/national/joint_strike_fighter I'm shocked. Honestly. Who would have expected a left wing group of anti-globalization, anti-corporate, anti-militarists dedicated to disarmament would be against buying new fighter jets?! Well I'm sold. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2010 Report Posted October 18, 2010 Eeegads! More money for those damned Americans and their flying machines: The federal government has awarded a $273.8-million contract to the Canadian subsidiary of U.S.-based Harris Corporation to help keep the Canadian Forces CF-18 fighter aircraft operational until 2020. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/17/cf-18-contract.html Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Jerry J. Fortin Posted October 18, 2010 Report Posted October 18, 2010 Eeegads! More money for those damned Americans and their flying machines: The federal government has awarded a $273.8-million contract to the Canadian subsidiary of U.S.-based Harris Corporation to help keep the Canadian Forces CF-18 fighter aircraft operational until 2020. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/17/cf-18-contract.html The F35 is a good bird, and we need a replacement for the F18. If not this bird than which one? Quote
Topaz Posted October 18, 2010 Report Posted October 18, 2010 Canada NEEDS to open bid to see if the F35 is the one and if it is then we can all agree and if it isn't then there time to find another one. http://www.thehilltimes.ca/page/view/f35-10-18-2010 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 18, 2010 Report Posted October 18, 2010 Canada NEEDS to open bid to see if the F35 is the one and if it is then we can all agree and if it isn't then there time to find another one. http://www.thehilltimes.ca/page/view/f35-10-18-2010 Any thoughts/ideas as to what the other aircraft up for bid would be? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2010 Report Posted October 18, 2010 Canada NEEDS to open bid to see if the F35 is the one and if it is then we can all agree and if it isn't then there time to find another one. http://www.thehilltimes.ca/page/view/f35-10-18-2010 OK...but Canada is forbidden to buy Super Hornets...those are only for US customers who know what they want without all this screwing around each time. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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